Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SuperMasterHand]

Hello everyone !
I haven't been around for almost a month, since the game was datamined I wanted to avoid spoiler
I just beat WoL yesterday and I'm so glad I didn't get spoiled, it was beautiful

So what happened here since the game came out ? are there any rumored or leaked characters or mode for DLC ?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If by "cooler" you mean "overdesigned anime bull****", then yes.

I meam tbf this was a criticism for a lot of Gen V pokemon too iirc

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

“BOTW Zelda is more into research then fighting”
*adds a secretary as a fighter*

Like, I don’t care about Isabelle but that really made no sense.

Isabelle has gone on to be the mascot of the Animal Crossing series.
Her inclusion makes so much sense imo.

 

[Wademan94]

“BOTW Zelda is more into research then fighting”
*adds a secretary as a fighter*

Like, I don’t care about Isabelle but that really made no sense.

I guess they didn’t think her existing moveset fit her BOTW design?

 

[Dee Dude]

Isabelle has gone on to be the mascot of Animal Crossing.
Her inclusion made so much sense imo.

If this was the 2000s, he would’ve added Tom Nook instead. ;_;

I mean come on, no racooons in Smash? We already have 4 canines.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

“BOTW Zelda is more into research then fighting”
*adds a secretary as a fighter*

Like, I don’t care about Isabelle but that really made no sense.

Zelda already has a playstyle. BOTW Zelda clashes with that design. ALTTP/ALBW Zelda works better with it.

It's not so much the researcher part as it does not mesh well with the playstyle of the character as is. Despite Link losing his Hookshot(well, Clawshot, but same difference) and Gale Boomerang, he keeps the general playstyle as is. He didn't even have the Gale Boomerang till Brawl, which was a bit of a change-up in strategy. It's just character design evolution. Without a severe change.

 

[osby]

If this was the 2000s, he would’ve added Tom Nook instead. ;_;

I mean come on, no racooons in Smash? We already have 4 canines.

Use Super Leaf.

 

[Dee Dude]

Use Super Leaf.

....that’s probably why he didn’t get in.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

If this was the 2000s, he would’ve added Tom Nook instead. ;_;

I mean come on, no racooons in Smash? We already have 4 canines.

Even if Tom Nook did get in, there'd technically still be no raccoon characters in Smash, as Tom Nook is actually a tanuki.

 

[Dee Dude]

Even if Tom Nook did get in, there'd technically still be no raccoon characters in Smash, as Tom Nook is actually a tanuki.

I know, it’s moreso the fact he’s referred as a raccoon in the West.

 

[kirbsmash]

Can anybody please explain how Mario is able to hit harder as an doctor rather than his normal self. You know, who have to fight Bowser pretty much everyday?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

“BOTW Zelda is more into research then fighting”
*adds a secretary as a fighter*

Like, I don’t care about Isabelle but that really made no sense.

Or maybe they just thought ALBW Zelda would make for a better moveset, than BOTW Zelda...

 

[Opossum]

Zelda already has a playstyle. BOTW Zelda clashes with that design. ALTTP/ALBW Zelda works better with it.

It's not so much the researcher part as it does not mesh well with the playstyle of the character as is. Despite Link losing his Hookshot(well, Clawshot, but same difference) and Gale Boomerang, he keeps the general playstyle as is. He didn't even have the Gale Boomerang till Brawl, which was a bit of a change-up in strategy. It's just character design evolution. Without a severe change.

I fail to see how BOTW Zelda couldn't keep the same general playstyle. She's still very much capable of magic. Really, the only thing that would need changing would be her down smash, since that's the only move of hers that kind of requires being in a dress to work. And single move changes happen all the time.

 

[ChronoBound]

I just encountered Leaf/Leif in the World of Light. He is one of my favorite FE characters (Thracia 776 may very well be my favorite game in the series, and my avatar is actually from a piece of artwork form that game). I really liked his match. From Roy being the puppet fighter he was possessing (Roy in general is a similar lord to Leif, especially considering his Sword of Seals/Binding Blade has similar properties to Leif's Sword of Light such as being able to attack from afar and heal its user). The Leif battle had Roy being able to perform random criticals (a reference to how certain skills in FE4/FE5 are able to do just that) as well as him sporadically healing over the course of the match (a reference to the Sword of Light's abilities). It is yet another example of Ultimate making me smile.

I know for some people they are upset over spirits, but seeing Pico and Leaf/Leif get an event match featured about them in a way personally referencing their source material, is something that made me very happy to see. A lot of the spirit battles are pretty clever in how they reference the fighters. Heck, for Pico's battle I particularly loved how it was Bowser with a Ray Gun (since Pico is a turtle-like alien who operates as an assassin) and the fact that Death Wind was the music playing in the background (Death Wind was said to be Pico's home planet). They obviously did their homework for quite a few of these spirit battles.

I think a lot of people are not giving spirits the due it deserves.

 

[Opossum]

Can anybody please explain how Mario is able to hit harder as an doctor rather than his normal self. You know, who have to fight Bowser pretty much everyday?

His M.D. gives him supreme knowledge of the opponent's anatomy, allowing him to know where to strike to do the most damage. On the flip side, he's slowed down by the crushing weight of the lives he couldn't save.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Can anybody please explain how Mario is able to hit harder as an doctor rather than his normal self. You know, who have to fight Bowser pretty much everyday?

EDIT: 'd

 

[CroonerMike]

Lloyd is a sword user, the same as Marth.
If you played his game you know it very well.

Even Heihachi is more unique than Lloyd.

And no , Agumon is not a "ugly chili Charizard", he is cute and awesome.
And WarGreymon is 1000 times cooler than any "Dragon Pokémon" you can think of.

I have played the games, thank you very much. I’ve akso played digimon on the ps1 as well. He’s much more than Marth...you’d know this if you played the games. That’s cool about WarGreymon...but it won’t get in. Agumon...perhaps but in my opinion unlikely. And if he does, that’s cool! Probably won’t buy it. But Augumon is just another Dino who breaths fire to me, just like Lloyd is a “Marth”

 

[Double K]

So I previously was fine about the possibility of Sora joining Smash. Then I remembered that Kingdom Hearts is cursed and Ultimate would be the final Smash game, so probably not.

even joking about the recent news still stings aaah

The worst part was Woolie saying that Pat and Matt aren't friends sanymore

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Man I just remembered Guilty Gear's getting a new game and part of me wants Sol to get in lol. But instead of a proper model he just has his Xrd look being anime as ****

 

[Michael the Spikester]

How long until you think the remaining DLC characters will be datamined? I'm presuming once Piranha Plant comes out?

 

[kirbsmash]

The worst part was Woolie saying that Pat and Matt aren't friends sanymore

What happened?

 

[Schnee117]

Man I just remembered Guilty Gear's getting a new game and part of me wants Sol to get in lol. But instead of a proper model he just has his Xrd look being anime as ****

Dragon Install to get bodied

 

[Deleted member]

Isabelle has gone on to be the mascot of the Animal Crossing series.
Her inclusion makes so much sense imo.

This is why I hate Isabelle. She just shows up in one game, and then suddenly becomes the most important character in the series.

I also hate Rosalina for the exact same reason.

 

[Double K]

What happened?

Super Best Friends Play disbanded

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

How long until you think the remaining DLC characters will be datamined? I'm presuming once Piranha Plant comes out?

Assuming what happened last time, I'd say they'd be kept secret just because they'l have the placeholder names of Mario

 

[MBRedboy31]

I fail to see how BOTW Zelda couldn't keep the same general playstyle. She's still very much capable of magic. Really, the only thing that would need changing would be her down smash, since that's the only move of hers that kind of requires being in a dress to work. And single move changes happen all the time.

If you’ve seen Female Wireframe’s or Blue Alloy’s down smash, the animation looks fine without a dress IMO.

That said, she looks like she’d be a bit less athletic, so she might not have fit the overall speed increase of Ultimate as well.
Sakurai may have also just wanted to represent a more diverse selection of Zelda games with the roster.

 

[kirbsmash]

Super Best Friends Play disbanded

OH! OOh god, you almost give me an heart attack for Kingdom hearts. I have NO idea who they are.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

This is why I hate Isabelle. She just shows up in one game, and then suddenly becomes the most important character in the series.

I also hate Rosalina for almost the exactly same reason.

It's not uncommon for characters to become big after being in just one game.
In fact, it has to happen with almost every major character.
How else would have characters Mario and Donkey Kong gotten so big?

I'd argue that Isabelle and Rosalina became breakout characters just because of how much of a personality they had. It'd be such a waste for such unique characters to only be used in one game.
Also, I don't appreciate you hating on my space waifu like that. She already gets enough hate as is.

 

[JaidynReiman]

that's if they're enchanceable though, which waluigi isnt

I know that's only if they're enhanceable. I heard from others that he was.

 

[Dee Dude]

This is why I hate Isabelle. She just shows up in one game, and then suddenly becomes the most important character in the series.

I also hate Rosalina for the exact same reason.

Yeah, in a way they’re both ensemble darkhorses for fans and Nintendo themselves so they take their popularity’s advantage and pretty much go out of their way to push them as main characters and put them in almost every spin-off game....including Smash.

& actually have a lot in common then we realize since they both appeal to causal fans.

Not that I hate either of them, I personally don’t care about either of them and would wish the same treatment for several other characters.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Heres the point in my favor.

Lloyd is a Sword user, and he uses tons of Sword skills in his game.
We have alot of Sword users in Smash now.

Agumon would be a more unique character.

>Argument against Swordfighters
>Lloyd uses two swords and brings a dual wielding moveset previous unrepresented in the series

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I fail to see how BOTW Zelda couldn't keep the same general playstyle. She's still very much capable of magic. Really, the only thing that would need changing would be her down smash, since that's the only move of hers that kind of requires being in a dress to work. And single move changes happen all the time.

And her forward, down, and back aerials all use her dress animations too. She's not similar at all to her previous Princess-style self during BOTW. That's a completely different style of character. She's meant to be a far more adventurous version. Same issue with trying to use SS Zelda. She's not a Princess, which is important to the design since Melee.

They chose a game where she's actually presented as a princess to keep her magical princess moveset. It's not even just "capable of magic", it's her entire design, which focuses more on "magical princess", not simply having magic. Her adventurer playstyle is Sheik, who represents BOTW via the costume, but also still focuses on the OOT moveset to some degree. She's also closer to her toon-like self, making her keeping the Phantom attack far more fitting. Who is only used by the Princess form. It'd look extremely awkward on BOTW Zelda as is. It looks pretty good on a somewhat more cartoony Zelda, far better than TP Zelda.

 

[RΔDΔGΔST]

Did you just ****ing hex me, bro?

I'm pretty sure I hexed myself by making that, my neighbors definitely think I'm crazy lol
But if someone sends me a bunch of clips of Snake getting bodied I might make a video for it

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Saying a sword user shouldn’t get in because “sword” is already bad enough considering most of the users play differently.

Nobody has a dual wielding set of swords, so to say that Lloyd of all characters would be too much like Marth is like me saying Agumon would play too much like another reptile.

It’s bad reasoning and only used because “I don’t want that character over the one I really want”.

 

[Schnee117]

Sakurai may have also just wanted to represent a more diverse selection of Zelda games with the roster.

This strikes me as more believable but then why not come out and actually say that he wanted to diversify the games represented by Zelda's playable cast instead of the dumb thing he actually said?

 

[R O F L]

>Argument against Swordfighters
>Lloyd uses two swords and brings a dual wielding moveset previous unrepresented in the series
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How is he going to hold items?

 

[Deleted member]

The worst part was Woolie saying that Pat and Matt aren't friends sanymore

Alright.

Sorry DaybreakHorizon Nekoo Sora is cancelled.

Worst timeline has truly been achieved.

 

[RawstyleEevee]

How long until you think the remaining DLC characters will be datamined? I'm presuming once Piranha Plant comes out?

It depends on a slip up. Ryu and Roy only got leaked by accident in Smash 4

 

[Cutie Gwen]

How is he going to hold items?

Isn't there a Mii costume of Lloyd which also has 2 swords albeit one is purely as a model? Either way they can bull**** an excuse like idk, he puts it on his belt?v

>Argument against Swordfighters
>Lloyd uses two swords and brings a dual wielding moveset previous unrepresented in the series
View attachment 183197

Aw man you could have gone "Agumon sucks too many claw users and fire users" as a good comeback but you posted this incredibly uncomfortable looking pic

 

[Knight Dude]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/a6ji1x
This is kind of something I want to see on stream at tourneys...

ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA. MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA.

K. Rool is gonna be a Mario spinoff staple

That would be really cool. But Nintendo rarely includes Diddy and Dixie in stuff, let alone K.Rool. But it'd be nice if more of the DK Crew was used in stuff.