Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Will]

So I was browing the SSBwiki and everything was fine and good but I when I looked at Ness's page, something seemed off.....

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>with a false american accent
***** you can't fool me I can smell Engrish from a mile away.

 

[Wademan94]

I certainly wouldn’t mind Lloyd, Heihachi or KOS-MOS, but am I the only one rooting for this guy?

 

[Noipoi]

So I was browing the SSBwiki and everything was fine and good but I when I looked at Ness's page, something seemed off.....

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Everything seems fine to me.

 

[Will]

I certainly wouldn’t mind Lloyd, Heihachi or KOS-MOS, but am I the only one rooting for this guy?

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More pseudo Guts characters you say?

 

[Knight Dude]

I certainly wouldn’t mind Lloyd, Heihachi or KOS-MOS, but am I the only one rooting for this guy?

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Nightmare would be pretty sick. But Tekken's my ride or die 3D Fighting game. So I gotta go with Jin or Heihachi first, but if Nightmare was chosen instead I wouldn't be mad at all.

 

[fleshdude.gov]

On a serious talk, what 3rd Party DLC characters would you rank on a Joker-tier level in terms of pipe dream/shock/impossible value?

Doom Slayer (DOOM)
Tetrominoes (Tetris)
Klonoa (Klonoa)
Chel (Portal)
Bubsy (Bubsy)
Q*bert (Q*bert)

 

[Zinith]

Alright, here's a few more. Just because I feel like it.
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Introducing Bash, Loopy, and Smartypants.

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I know real Dilophosaurus didn't have the frills LET ME HAVE THIS.

Smartypants would be my most wanted for Smash in an instant

 

[Knight Dude]

Doom Slayer (DOOM)
Tetrominoes (Tetris)
Klonoa (Klonoa)
Chel (Portal)
Bubsy (Bubsy)
Q*bert (Q*bert)

You're the first person who I've seen ask for Q*bert. And unfortunately not the first person to ask for Bubsy.

 

[Deleted member]

In regards to Dee Dude 's question, my answer would be Dante, Doomguy, 2B, Ryu Hayabusa, and Kazuma Kiryu.

Also, Scorpion and Lloyd would be cool to see too.

 

[Will]

Kazuma Kiryu

no stop you're making me dream

 

[Deleted member]

no stop you're making me dream

Hey, he'd be dope as hell. Imagine him drop-kicking Bowser off a stage.

 

[fleshdude.gov]

You're the first person who I've seen ask for Q*bert. And unfortunately not the first person to ask for Bubsy.

That was more a list in increasing order of unlikeliness/absurdity, not necessarily asking for any of them.

That being said, Tetrominoes all the way.

 

[Knight Dude]

That was more a list in increasing order of unlikeliness/absurdity, not necessarily asking for any of them.

That being said, Tetrominoes all the way.

Fair enough. I'm not even sure how'd you make Qbert fight. Aside from kicking and censored swearing.

 

[Will]

Fair enough. I'm not even sure how'd you make Qbert fight. Aside from kicking and censored swearing.

Or we could just reinvent the character and have him voiced by Danny Devito.

 

[KarneraMythos]

I certainly wouldn’t mind Lloyd, Heihachi or KOS-MOS, but am I the only one rooting for this guy?

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I really like Nightmare and I'm open to the idea of him as well. Idealistically, we'd have as many third-party characters as there are third-party companies represented in Smash, mainly Sega's, Namco's, Capcom's, and Konami's. The 30 empty slots could allow room for 4 in each company in the future. If the big bad Square-Enix isn't as stingy as we think, make that 5 characters per company. Namco can have Pac-Man, Heihachi, Lloyd, Nightmare, and KOS-MOS for example.

 

[Noipoi]

Smartypants would be my most wanted for Smash in an instant

She's a clever girl.

 

[Wademan94]

I really like Nightmare and I'm open to the idea of him as well. Idealistically, we'd have as many third-party characters as there are third-party companies represented in Smash, mainly Sega's, Namco's, Capcom's, and Konami's. The 30 empty slots could allow room for 4 in each company in the future. If the big bad Square-Enix isn't as stingy as we think, make that 5 characters per company. Namco can have Pac-Man, Heihachi, Lloyd, Nightmare, and KOS-MOS for example.

I mean personally I don’t think there really needs THAT many third party reps per company, plus I’d like to see other companies get their third parties in like Ryu Hayabusa but I certainly wouldn’t mind Namco getting one or two more reps.

 

[KarneraMythos]

I mean personally I don’t think there really needs THAT many third party reps per company, plus I’d like to see other companies get their third parties in like Ryu Hayabusa but I certainly wouldn’t mind Namco getting one or two more reps.

Well that's why I said "ideally", right? Like, "in a perfect world..." sense. I also didn't quite discount other third-parties either, so Ryu Hyabusa could ninja himself in that ensemble of characters somewhere ;P

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Adding in Nightmare also would had returned the favor of Link appearing as a guest in the GameCube version of Soul Calibur II.

 

[Wademan94]

Well that's why I said "ideally", right? Like, "in a perfect world..." sense. I also didn't quite discount other third-parties either, so Ryu Hyabusa could ninja himself in that ensemble of characters somewhere ;P

Fair enough.

Adding in Nightmare also would had returned the favor of Link appearing as a guest in the GameCube version of Soul Calibur II.

Another reason why I want that to happen, I’d love to see round 2 of Link VS. Nightmare not that he’s on their turf.

 

[N3ON]

So they're making the unlock fights easier. That's good for those who were hard-pressed by them, I suppose, but frankly I liked it not being a cakewalk, considering how easy it was to prompt fighting a challenger. Especially since they gave you a literal backdoor into rematching them.

Ideally they could make the actual unlock methods a bit more interesting, but in absence of that at least there was a little challenge. Ah well. Probably better for those with less experience... which is likely the majority out there. ^_^;

But hey, specific patch notes (more or less). That's something I thought would be too good to be true.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So they're making the unlock fights easier. That's good for those who were hard-pressed by them, I suppose, but frankly I liked it not being a cakewalk, considering how easy it was to prompt fighting a challenger. Especially since they gave you a literal backdoor into rematching them.

Ideally they could make the actual unlock methods a bit more interesting, but in absence of that at least there was a little challenge. Ah well. Probably better for those with less experience... which is likely the majority out there. ^_^;

But hey, specific patch notes (more or less). That's something I thought would be too good to be true.

I think that instead of lowering the difficulty, making Challengers Approach instantly available (instead of having to wait for it to sporadically activate) and removing the timer would've been better. It keeps the challenge, but makes it more accessible and streamlined overall.

 

[Deleted member]

God, I love the new modes Ultimate has. Smashdown, Squad Strike, Spirit Board. It's great stuff.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Okay, but what if one of Scout's victory animations is him taking off his face and it was actually Spy the whole time

Perfect. Just perfect

I think that instead of lowering the difficulty, making Challengers Approach instantly available (instead of having to wait for it to sporadically activate) and removing the timer would've been better. It keeps the challenge, but makes it more accessible and streamlined overall.

Honestly I feel something had to give with it at least. The difficulty itself is not the ideal solution but it's at least something considering them being that difficult means more waiting and hoping that the rematch option appears again. Them making them less difficult may be more helpful to the average player as well considering the timer and everything else at least has workarounds. Anyone can potentially game the system if they look up what to do while on the other hand less skilled or more casual players could find themselves locked out of playing the characters they like due to their generally high difficulty after a while.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Sorry for being late to the convo, but I hate how "deserves" became such a buzzword in the community.

Too bad! It's a perfectly valid, if subjective as hell, qualification!

Nightmare would be pretty sick. But Tekken's my ride or die 3D Fighting game. So I gotta go with Jin or Heihachi first, but if Nightmare was chosen instead I wouldn't be mad at all.

Do both. Go Yoshimitsu.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Meanwhile I'm sitting here thinking needing to unlock nearly 70 characters is the bigger problem lol

 

[FirestormNeos]

Chel (Portal)

A fellow Chell supporter?! :O

I thought I was an endangered species!

 

[Swaggy-G]

How do you play World of Light on hard mode? I’ve seen several people mention it but I only have easy and normal as options. Do I unlock it later?

Anyone?

 

[ZephyrZ]

Anyone?

Is your game up to date? I've heard that Hard Mode was added in the 1.1 update. I was able to select hard mode from the get go.

Have you already started a save file? It might also be (this is just a guess) that it only let's you lower the difficulty rather then raise it. If that's the case you might have to use the second save slot to play hard mode.

 

[TheYungLink]

A fellow Chell supporter?! :O

I thought I was an endangered species!

Valve has plenty of great sleeper choices for Smash.

Chell from Portal, Gordon Freeman from Half-Life, any of the Team Fortress 2 peeps, they're all pretty well known and beloved, and all could bring something new to Smash (portals, the Gravity Gun, the different weapons the TF2 classes have, etc.).

 

[YoshiandToad]

Valve has plenty of great sleeper choices for Smash.

Chell from Portal, Gordon Freeman from Half-Life, any of the Team Fortress 2 peeps, they're all pretty well known and beloved, and all could bring something new to Smash (portals, the Gravity Gun, the different weapons the TF2 classes have, etc.).

Not going to lie; a Team Fortress character, as unlikely as it'd be, would easily make my top third party, assuming Tails is deconfirmed due to his Spirit.

Heavy is the face of the series, so it'd be him. Final Smash is obviously "CHARGE ME DOCKTOR!". A Sandvich recovery move? I'd struggle with an up special since Heavy is one of the few classes without any obvious movement techniques...

 

[KarneraMythos]

Too bad! It's a perfectly valid, if subjective as hell, qualification!

Yeah well my opinion is factually correct and I deserve to make firm statements while yours is dumb and doo-doo!

Valve has plenty of great sleeper choices for Smash.

Chell from Portal, Gordon Freeman from Half-Life, any of the Team Fortress 2 peeps, they're all pretty well known and beloved, and all could bring something new to Smash (portals, the Gravity Gun, the different weapons the TF2 classes have, etc.).

Heavy would be kino, honestly. Just imagine playing Doubles with him on one team. Easy Easter Egg for his team's win quote right here:
"FRIENDSHIP IS STOOPID MAGIK"

 

[Will]

I learned something super cool about after playing with him a bit. His F-Smash from what I see has a larger hitbox than what it actually presents, and you can get pretty sneaky hits in by shuffling around and then throwing it out. It kills at around 80 near ledge, and I'm just calling it the Ken Shuffle.

It's as simple as

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

Please help
I feel my insides shutting down
I only have 25 Spirits left to collect, and I know 23 of them are Fighter Spirits (so Classic Mode for main fighters, and the shop for the rest), 1 is Klaptrap from doing a challenge with K. Rool, but the very last one is Gold Mario and I've run into a conundrum.

To Summon it, I have all the required cores except for Fire Flower. I USED to have a Fire Flower, but I used it to summon Koume and Kotake. But now, even though Fire Flower is just a Novice Support Spirit, I can't get one to appear, no matter how many times I use 'All Support' items in the Spirit Board. I've gone through like 40 and it won't show up.

Is Fire Flower locked to Adventure Mode somewhere? This is literally the very last thing I need to ensure 100% completion (bar having to pay for online to complete a whole page of challenges... not sure how I feel about that) and it's driving me nuts that I can't find it.

 

[PlugMeister]

has anyone spotted kid dracula as a stage hazard yet

i complelty forgot he was shown in the smash direct as one

It's been confirmed that it's just the shadow. He never actually appears, which is a damn shame since Kid Dracula is one of my favorite GB games.

 

[Cristaran]

Suddenly, silence.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Please help
I feel my insides shutting down
I only have 25 Spirits left to collect, and I know 23 of them are Fighter Spirits (so Classic Mode for main fighters, and the shop for the rest), 1 is Klaptrap from doing a challenge with K. Rool, but the very last one is Gold Mario and I've run into a conundrum.

To Summon it, I have all the required cores except for Fire Flower. I USED to have a Fire Flower, but I used it to summon Koume and Kotake. But now, even though Fire Flower is just a Novice Support Spirit, I can't get one to appear, no matter how many times I use 'All Support' items in the Spirit Board. I've gone through like 40 and it won't show up.

Is Fire Flower locked to Adventure Mode somewhere? This is literally the very last thing I need to ensure 100% completion (bar having to pay for online to complete a whole page of challenges... not sure how I feel about that) and it's driving me nuts that I can't find it.

I often find Fire Flower in the World of Light stores, specifically the Timmy and Tommy one, which is luckily the quickest one to unlock

 

[KMDP]

I certainly wouldn’t mind Lloyd, Heihachi or KOS-MOS, but am I the only one rooting for this guy?

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Check my signature.

You most certainly are not.

 

[Cristaran]

So yesterday i got my ass handed to me by a Yoshi so hard my boi Roy looked like a C tier. He finally got the buffs i see.

Edit: Ok, now i know how Kirby felt. Only me here...

 

[Wyoming]

On a serious talk, what 3rd Party DLC characters would you rank on a Joker-tier level in terms of pipe dream/shock/impossible value?

Master Chief, any Valve character (Freeman would be more shocking due to Half-Life's dormant status), Sub-Zero/Scorpion, any Sony character, any Blizzard character.

Get any of those in Smash and it would be truly shocking. However, I think a Valve character is the most unlikely of pipedreams ever from a video game perspective.