Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Honestly, it will probably take a year to a year and a half for Smashboards to make an official tier list...

With how big the roster is and the fact that all dlc characters are unreleased, I could honestly see it taking a bit longer than that.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Nah, it didn't happen man.

Spoiler

25 min in

 

[Pyra]

ToasterBrains Edit: Think real hard with that brain of yours and read the air.

Hahaha nice one Impa

 

[Idon]

Spoiler

25 min in

Spoiler

Listen, they're trying to unspoil the moment so it becomes a surprise later.

 

[WaxPython]

So, how are some of you guys feeling about a Tekken character?

Ew no

Don't trust eventhubs tier lists, literally all of them are garbage.

Nah they're cool not accurate but gives a good idea of who is good and who isn't so good

 

[ES. Dinah]

https://www.strawpoll.me/17013020 found this poll on 4chan. It's interesting cause I can see any of these characters getting in. Maybe not Sora given the "rumours" but it's still a good list.

 

[Iridium]

どういう...こと？ pic.twitter.com/7jxYP1qnME

— マサロトム / Rom3(ロムさん)⚡️🍃🎣🐾@2.5次元隊士！ (@MasaRotom663V) December 9, 2018

Oh hey, someone else I remember. Anyway, I love how the ICs might end up having one of the most destructive combo games out of the entire roster, and then this happens to be a thing.

 

[Pyra]

not accurate

gives a good idea

どういう...こと？ pic.twitter.com/7jxYP1qnME

— マサロトム / Rom3(ロムさん)⚡️🍃🎣🐾@2.5次元隊士！ (@MasaRotom663V) December 9, 2018

Oh hey, someone else I remember. Anyway, I love how the ICs might end up having one of the most destructive combo games out of the entire roster, and then this happens to be a thing.

that's some 4D chess right there
Dragon Ball Z level speed

 

[Idon]

Nana instant transmissioned outta there.

 

[Knight Dude]

どういう...こと？ pic.twitter.com/7jxYP1qnME

— マサロトム / Rom3(ロムさん)⚡️🍃🎣🐾@2.5次元隊士！ (@MasaRotom663V) December 9, 2018

Oh hey, someone else I remember. Anyway, I love how the ICs might end up having one of the most destructive combo games out of the entire roster, and then this happens to be a thing.

This is why most characters are Mr. Solo Dolo.

 

[Iridium]

that's some 4D chess right there
Dragon Ball Z level speed

I'm actually disturbed at how she just randomly decides to come back from the dead like that. If that ever happens in bracket...

 

[Pyra]

I'm actually disturbed at how he just randomly decides to come back from the dead like that. If that ever happens in bracket...

Every time I watch it it gets funnier

The pro level interdimensional desynchs have arrived

"IF YOU WON'T LET ME WOBBLE I'LL JUST ASCEND TO GODHOOD"

 

[Zinith]

Here’s a list of which characters won the multiple brackets at AON Gaming over the weekend so far

Friday Doubles: Double Yoshi
Fri Bracket #2: Yoshi
Sat Bracket #1: Yoshi
Sat Bracket #2: Yoshi
Sun Bracket #1: Yoshi

Long Island is in shambles

— Raptor 【=◈︿◈=】 (@RaptorSSB) December 10, 2018

*evilly wrings hands*

 

[Iridium]

Here’s a list of which characters won the multiple brackets at AON Gaming over the weekend so far

Friday Doubles: Double Yoshi
Fri Bracket #2: Yoshi
Sat Bracket #1: Yoshi
Sat Bracket #2: Yoshi
Sun Bracket #1: Yoshi

Long Island is in shambles

— Raptor 【=◈︿◈=】 (@RaptorSSB) December 10, 2018

*evilly wrings hands*

Deserves it after getting shafted in Smash 4. Link is doing pretty good himself, but this is something else.

 

[WaxPython]

Ok i will explain it for you...

The event hubs tier list isn't accurate in the sense of the matchups have been tested time abd tine again to objectively determine who comes out on top, but it does give a good idea of who has benefited the most from the new mechanics and who hasn't so we can reasonably say ok this fighter is pretty good.

 

[Zinith]

Deserves it after getting shafted in Smash 4. Link is doing pretty good himself, but this is something else.

"Never getting results" was the big talking point against my boi in 4.

Now he's seeing more results in these past 3 days in Ultimate than he's seen in 4 ****ing years in 4!!!

 

[Will]

Here’s a list of which characters won the multiple brackets at AON Gaming over the weekend so far

Friday Doubles: Double Yoshi
Fri Bracket #2: Yoshi
Sat Bracket #1: Yoshi
Sat Bracket #2: Yoshi
Sun Bracket #1: Yoshi

Long Island is in shambles

— Raptor 【=◈︿◈=】 (@RaptorSSB) December 10, 2018

*evilly wrings hands*

Says the man who whined about Sakurai ruining "my boi" months prior.

 

[Deleted member]

Heavily considering making Yoshi a secondary. He's so much fun to play!

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So, how are some of you guys feeling about a Tekken character?

I'm all up for Heihachi.
We need a better game for him and Ryu to fight it out in, assuming Street Fighter X Tekken was a little uh....

 

[Wyoming]

Ok i will explain it for you...

The event hubs tier list isn't accurate in the sense of the matchups have been tested time abd tine again to objectively determine who comes out on top, but it does give a good idea of who has benefited the most from the new mechanics and who hasn't so we can reasonably say ok this fighter is pretty good.

Not even.

Eventhubs is complete trash and has absolutely no worthy data to pull from.

 

[Idon]

I'd far sooner listen to the advice of one man who's really good at the game than a collective consciousness of idiots who have probably yet to play the game online.

 

[WaxPython]

Not even.

Eventhubs is complete trash and has absolutely no worthy data to pull from.

It's highly respected by the fighting games community but sure each to their own.

 

[Deleted member]

One hit and Chrom is dead Jeeez....

Tbf, I used to think that Chrom would be bottom tier bc of that ****e recovery, but after seeing the crazy bs he can do on yhe ground I think he's solid high-midtier or low-hightier

 

[Noipoi]

The cpu just ****ing squid-bagged me.

 

[Idon]

It's highly respected by the fighting games community but sure each to their own.

HAHAHAHAHAA

No.
In every single FG community I've been to, those tier lists have been lauded and laughed at, and for good reason.
Eventhubs is a great place if you're looking for fighting game news, not tier lists.

 

[Zinith]

Says the man who whined about Sakurai ruining "my boi" months prior.

That was before anyone discovered combo strings for him that weren't possible in Smash 4. Turns out his dair not breaking shields is a great trade-off...

 

[Pyra]

Ok i will explain it for you...

The event hubs tier list isn't accurate in the sense of the matchups have been tested time abd tine again to objectively determine who comes out on top, but it does give a good idea of who has benefited the most from the new mechanics and who hasn't so we can reasonably say ok this fighter is pretty good.

It's highly respected by the fighting games community but sure each to their own.

the king dedede laughing gif but again this time

HAHAHAHAHAA

No.
In every single FG community I've been to, those tier lists have been lauded and laughed at, and for good reason.
Eventhubs is a great place if you're looking for fighting game news, not tier lists.

when we making a tier list tier list

 

[Deleted member]

The cpu just ****ing squid-bagged me.

Sakurai really is staying faithful to source material...

 

[WaxPython]

HAHAHAHAHAA

No.
In every single FG community I've been to, those tier lists have been lauded and laughed at, and for good reason.
Eventhubs is a great place if you're looking for fighting game news, not tier lists.

Anecdotes are a fallacy during debates because of confirmation bias, if everyone thought nothing of their tier lists they wouldn't be so popular and they would have stopped making them long ago. The data is completely sound.

 

[Noipoi]

The best tier is Noipoi tier.

Where everyone is ranked by how much I enjoy drawing them.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Okay, I can't find any good information on this;

What's the actual difference between the Paperback and Hardcover Smash Ultimate guides? Namely, I have to choose one. Is the Hardcover worth it?

 

[Pyra]

The best tier is Noipoi tier.

Where everyone is ranked by how much I enjoy drawing them.

I put Noipoi tiering at C on my tier list tier list
Not terrible but also not controversial enough.

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of competitive, I honestly don't have much faith for Ultimate's comp scene. And this is coming from someone who found some hype moments in Smash For.

 

[Cosmic77]

When Roy first came out in Smash 4, Eventhubs placed him as #1 on the tier list.

That pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The cpu just ****ing squid-bagged me.

These CPUs need to be stopped

 

[Cosmic77]

On the topic of competitive, I honestly don't have much faith for Ultimate's comp scene. And this is coming from someone who found some hype moments in Smash For.

Don't see how it could be worse. Aside from adding several mechanics that the competitve scene had been begging for, the game moves along so much faster than Smash 4, meaning that it's easier for people to stay invested in watching the match.

 

[Idon]

Anecdotes are a fallacy during debates because of confirmation bias, if everyone thought nothing of their tier lists they wouldn't be so popular and they would have stopped making them long ago. The data is completely sound.

Personal experience from a decade's worth of fighting games is better than just pulling data from my ass and saying "this is how it is" with nothing to back it up. Look on any subreddit or forum for any fighting game community and say that eventhubs tier lists are valuable right now and I'll guarantee you'll be laughed at.

You see the data isn't meant to be an accurate indicator of character strength like a tier list.

It's a popularity contest that shifts with the voter tendencies and its own recency bias. There's a reason why community voted tier lists aren't exactly ever accurate, valued, or ever given any sort of serious consideration.
It's about on the same level or worse than a community reddit, Smashboards, or gamefaqs tier list.

 

[RandomAce]

Watch the Nintendo execs choosing the DLC characters to completely disregard any financial or promotional angle and just choose characters they think are cool like the fanboys I’m sure they are.

I mean, they picked Joker.

I doubt they really care that much, and with people hearing about Lloyd and Yuri, y’know, Tales of characters... I dead forgot that Nintendo was apparently in charge.

I think they’re just looking for fun characters to add to the roster, with some character that fans will like. They probably have some caution of who to add since they do need to sell well, but I doubt it’s as overblown as people make it out to be. (Except maybe for the SE character).

 

[Noipoi]

I totally understand all this competitive speak!

 

[Pyra]

Personal experience from a decade's worth of fighting games is better than just pulling data from my *** and saying "this is how it is" with nothing to back it up. Look on any subreddit or forum for any fighting game community and say that eventhubs tier lists are valuable right now and I'll guarantee you'll be laughed at.

You see the data isn't meant to be an accurate indicator of character strength like a tier list.

It's a popularity contest that shifts with the voter tendencies and its own recency bias. There's a reason why community voted tier lists aren't exactly ever accurate, valued, or ever given any sort of serious consideration.
It's about on the same level or worse than a community reddit, Smashboards, or gamefaqs tier list.

Ah, so I should be putting Eventhubs, reddit, smashboards, and gamefaqs on the same tier then. F tier, probably.

Who wants to take a vote?