Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[NonSpecificGuy]

So far there have only been two songs in this game that when I hear them, I get really excited about them and the match about to happen. The “Lost in Thoughts All Alone” instrumental (I’m surprised by how much I like that one) and “One of a Kind”. I was kind of expecting more, though. *shrug emoji* Oh well. : P

What are the songs that get you hyped for a match and really feeling it when they come on?

That's me with EVERY SINGLE CASTLEVANIA SONG.

I've played Dracula's Castle a lot for that reason.

Those and the Peace Walker theme once those instrumentals kick in I lose my ****.

Just listen to it OHHH SO GOOD.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I'm pretty sure Verge mentioned he doesn't entirely trust his source saying to discount Geno and feels it may be biased.

Basically can you do me a solid favor Mega Bid and analyze Geno for me because I'm bored and would love to read it.

Yeah ok I can do that.

First, I’ll say my actual belief on Geno, which is something I’m sure you’ve heard a lot: he’s a spirit, so I don’t think he will be a DLC Fighter. Instead of stopping there, I’ll explain why I believe Spirits won’t be made playable.

I firmly believe that the DLC characters were decided AT LEAST a few months ago, and were at least discussed for a few months beforehand. I think this is proven by the Joker trailer. That thing has GORGEOUS animation, and as an animator myself, I can tell you that **** takes time. I’m going to say that thing had AT LEAST a month and a half’s work at the minimum, but probably even more. Joker has been planned for months, and I’m sure the same goes for the other characters. While they may have not began actually developing them since the base game went gold, Sakurai and his team definitely knew who they would be, which is also evident by Verg potentially knowing about a SE DLC rep since the summer.


Sakurai is a big fan of consistency. This is easily seen in the changes made to Link. Now that Link is his BotW incarnation, his bombs are changed to remote bombs, and his hook/claw shot grab (which he has had for four games) has been removed simply because Link never got the item in BotW. In addition, there is no costume for the Ocarina or Twilight Link of past games, probably just because they don’t have remote bombs.

Sakurai already had his system for Fighter Spirits in the game. Yes, playable characters have Spirits, but they can’t be equipped and don’t do anything. I’m very confident that if Sakurai knew who was going to be DLC, he would make it a note NOT to have them as a spirit as it would complicate things later on and lead to inconsistency.
You could argue “But Mewtwo and Lucas were trophies in Smash 4 and became DLC,” but I have two points against that:
1. The DLC wasn’t as well planned for Smash 4 and they probably didn’t know exactly who would be in beforehand, and the DLC was kinda of trickled out over time. In Ultimate they were confident in announcing the number of characters and the timeframe of release over a month before the base game even launched.
2. According to Sakurai, trophies took a while to develop. He’d probably be much more hesistant to cut a trophy someone worked on than what is essentially a PNG file that gives you certain modifiers.


Because of all of this, I am VERY CONFIDENT that the characters we have represented as spirits WILL NOT be made playable as DLC.

However, I’ll still toss you a bone and answer your original question.


If Geno wasn’t a spirit in the game, I’d be looking at him the same way I’m looking at Crono and Sephiroth: a fan-favorite that was deemed highly unlikely ages ago for various reasons that would surprise in a similar to Joker.

I guess I’d also put Sora in that same category to a lesser extent, although I also ignored him from the list because Verg said he wasn’t happening.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Sakurai stated that the DLC won't include echo fighters, but even still, don't you dare put that curse on us.

oh damn, he did? pff oops, that must of passed over my head, thanks for correcting me

 

[Deleted member]

@Thinkaman

So, where's that Nintendo connection Joker has? You used to go on and on that only guys with strong Nintendo connection would make it and "Cloud is the exception".

Persona Q2 is a thing.

 

[CroonerMike]

The only true theory:
You're all wrong. Always. If you guess a character, you're wrong.

Also, if they make it in, they're always obvious. 100%. Always. Without question.

Thanks for watching, be sure to like comment subscribe, and smaAAaaAaAaAsh that bell button

I said this yesterday and was attacked by a special user who makes his/her texts green. Haha

 

[Pyra]

I said this yesterday and was attacked by a special user who makes his/her texts green. Haha

While I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about, just be sure that people do that here to try and seem cooler to the rest of us who just don't care ;p

Persona Q2 is a thing.

I was going to say that too, until I read "strong" Nintendo connection.

 

[Knight Dude]

If they're all "unexpected", then that in theory rules out Banjo and Steve.

Ergo,
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Who we givin our invitation to?

Fulgore. Iconic Rare character, from a fighting game, and he has awesome music.

Hoping that no Zelda character ends up bottom/low tier for once. But man, I wonder how crazy the tier will look when it comes out, based on size and the usual.

Sheik will probably still be pretty decent at least. Young Link has some promise to him. I'm hoping Ganon goes up a spot or two.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What are the songs that get you hyped for a match and really feeling it when they come on?

Haven't played Ultimate yet, but I'd be shocked if this wasn't one for many people...

Spoiler: I mean, it does kinda go with everything

 

[Roberk]

oooooh nice

Spoiler

anna is a shopkeeper in WoL

It would've been a crime if she wasn't tbh.

 

[PeridotGX]

Sakurai stated that the DLC won't include echo fighters, but even still, don't you dare put that curse on us.

Hasn't Sakurai only said there won't be Echoes in the Fighter Pass? They're still on the table for Seprate releases like the Mii Costumes.

If we're done with them though, I'm gonna be dissapointed with how few we got. And how one of them was wasted on .

 

[ThreeT]

I've compiled two lists of some of the likeliest dlc characters in my opinion, which dlc lineup would be the best?

1-Joker
2-Gen 8 Pokemon
3-Banjo
4-DQ rep
5-Crash

or

1-Joker
2-Steve
3-Sylux
4-Edelgard
5-Sephiroth

Spoiler

The true answer is neither. None of these characters are Sans, therefore they are trash.

Very debatable. It would depend on what the Gen 8 Pokemon is? Usually a fan with ones with interesting concept and not normal designs(Typically not cutesy but it depends). If I don't like the pokémon then I choose the second option. Sylux seems cool and I played Minecraft when I was a kid so that would be fun as well.

 

[Pakky]

Try background matchmaking. From my experience, 'quickplay' quite literally means they'll try and find the quickest route to a game, preferred rules be damned. It's only anecdotal, but background matchmaking has been 100% reliable to me so far.

Tried that still getting these stupid party matches most of the time.

This is incredibly frustrating why make it like this?

 

[praline]

For stamina mode can you choose how much health everyone has in a match or what?

 

[Sigran101]

There's literally no way Joker will play like any other character on the roster. Sakurai would have to be incredibly uncreative for that to happen.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Hasn't Sakurai only said there won't be Echoes in the Fighter Pass? They're still on the table for Seprate releases like the Mii Costumes.

If we're done with them though, I'm gonna be dissapointed with how few we got. And how one of them was wasted on .

Why Dark Samus, she's the most important Metroid villain after Ridley. She truly deserves to have her legacy in Smash in some way.

I like Daisy more than Peach in Ultimate so far, but of the echos, she's obviously the least important in the grand scheme of gaming/her series.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I think Nintendo created a grand list of characters they considered negotiable and relevant (really grand) and Sakurai went nuts with it.

 

[Pyra]

There's literally no way Joker will play like any other character on the roster. Sakurai would have to be incredibly uncreative for that to happen.

Joker's obviously™ gonna play like Peach.

 

[Blargg888]

They're in all the persona games.
Look, even if that's a demon design, it's called a shadow.

Like demons are the things that want to eat your brains.
shadows are the the physical representation of the darkness that lies within man's hearts.

Weren't demons or something at least in Persona 1 and 2?

I thought that the main enemies were different in the pre-3 Personas.

 

[Deleted member]

I was going to say that too, until I read "strong" Nintendo connection.

I mean, Q2 was sitting at the top of Famitsu's Most Anticipated list for months, and it's a 3DS exclusive. I'd say that's a fairly strong connection.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Joker's obviously™ gonna play like Peach.

The reason he's apparently such a great thief is that his hips don't lie and they bring the pain.

 

[Zinith]

Joker's obviously™ gonna play like Peach.

Nah, he'll be a Duck Hunt echo...

I've not played a lot of Persona lol

 

[PeridotGX]

Why Dark Samus, she's the most important Metroid villain after Ridley. She truly deserves to have her legacy in Smash in some way.

I like Daisy more than Peach in Ultimate so far, but of the echos, she's obviously the least important in the grand scheme of gaming/her series.

We already got another Metroid character this game. I would've preferred to see a little more diversity. If given the chance, I would swap her out for any of the many Meta Knight clones.

 

[Pyra]

Nah, he'll be a Duck Hunt echo...

I've not played a lot of Persona lol

his up special is Arsene clutching onto Joker with his feet and flapping back up towards the stage

EDIT:

Spoiler: image

He does have wings, after all.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

We already got another Metroid character this game. I would've preferred to see a little more diversity. If given the chance, I would swap her out for any of the myriad Meta Knight clones.

Eh. They're not all that important in the grand scheme of Kirby. They'd be an echo just to echo and give Kirby a newcomer in my opinion.

And that's lame.

 

[Pokechu]

I'm still waiting for my Jeanne Echo, Sakurai

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Y'all talking Kirby Echos and not one mention of my boy Gooey?

 

[Pyra]

Y'all talking Kirby Echos and not one mention of my boy Gooey?

I now have official confirmation that someone steals my thoughts.

 

[Pokechu]

Y'all talking Kirby Echos and not one mention of my boy Gooey?

I was going to say him

I would kill for Gooey

but... I'm sad we have no Jeanne

 

[Sigran101]

Try background matchmaking. From my experience, 'quickplay' quite literally means they'll try and find the quickest route to a game, preferred rules be damned. It's only anecdotal, but background matchmaking has been 100% reliable to me so far.

I usually still get free for all's even when I use background matchmaking. It's infuriating.

 

[Pakky]

I usually still get free for all's even when I use background matchmaking. It's infuriating.

Like I'm trying to get good at my boys But I keep getting wrapped up in garbage party matches.

Why is it this bad?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm still waiting for my Jeanne Echo, Sakurai

It's the only way to truly nerf Bayonetta into the ground. You gotta bring her girlfriend so they just spend time making out instead.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I now have official confirmation that someone steals my thoughts.

Let's appreciate the irony of that statement paired with the Joker avatar

 

[Deleted member]

I am confusion

Joke about him saying the Square rep was first.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not great either. I keep trying to do things above my skill level and my hands are really bad at the "controller dance" as I like to call it when I'm "too" into the game.

I know how you feel, ha ha. I find myself getting ahead of myself in fights and straight up forgetting to press a button or misinputting. Inkling is taking time to get used to, but I'm getting there. Splat Bombs and NAir are giving me problems right now, and I'm trying to practice strategies with Roller as that's one of their best and most reliable kill setups.

 

[Deleted member]

his up special is Arsene clutching onto Joker with his feet and flapping back up towards the stage

EDIT:

Spoiler: image

He does have wings, after all.

Yo, that's his Stand? Holy hell, I'm in love

I'm still waiting for my Jeanne Echo, Sakurai

But Fjorm isn't in yet

 

[Sigran101]

Like I'm trying to get good at my boys But I keep getting wrapped up in garbage party matches.

Why is it this bad?

It's honestly unacceptable. The online in 4 was significantly better. They screwed up big time there. Especially considering we have to pay for it now.

 

[Pakky]

It's honestly unacceptable. The online in 4 was significantly better. They screwed up big time there.

Yeah I'm getting really upset, because I bought the DLC pass and everything and now I have to put up with goobers.

Like... seriously now, it is the current year, this shouldn't be like this.

Also is no one playing 1-on-1?

 

[Pyra]

Yo, that's his Stand? Holy hell, I'm in love

Yeah, I'm pretty damn excited to see him in Smash.

And also pretty excited to see how the alternate color schemes butcher his aesthetic

 

[Hinata]

Joker's obviously™ gonna play like Peach.

Nah, all those pictures people are drawing of Kirby and Joker together is actually a subtle hint that he's a Kirby echo.

Hasn't Sakurai only said there won't be Echoes in the Fighter Pass? They're still on the table for Seprate releases like the Mii Costumes.

If we're done with them though, I'm gonna be dissapointed with how few we got. And how one of them was wasted on .

I mean, you're not wrong, but I dunno, separate Echo Fighter DLC just sounds weird to me.

 

[Noipoi]

his up special is Arsene clutching onto Joker with his feet and flapping back up towards the stage

EDIT:

Spoiler: image

He does have wings, after all.

Those legs...