Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Idon]

literally the only square rep i would be completely happy with is gilgamesh and that's not gonna happen ever

DUDE, IF GILGAMESH CAME IN WITH CLASH ON THE BIG BRIDGE, I'D BE SO DOWN.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Xenother mentuoned that his sources saw a test build with Steve in it back in August. People are debating. The world turns.

ah, so business as usual.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

You leave Katalina out of this

Why? It's a valid point. People got so wound up by this "trusted source" saying she was in, yelling about how it made sense because JAPAN and MARKETING, or yelling about DESERVEDNESS, WORLDWIDE NOTABILITY, and MORE SWORD FIGHTERS. Then the leaker says "oops", and that was all for naught. Best case scenario is that people wasted time, worst case is that people got attached to the idea 100% and are now upset by something that's not happening.

Things fall through, plans change, legit leakers get bad info... no point in 100% trusting something until it's on the screen in front of you.

 

[Bionichute]

His game has also aged as well as peanuts and really just exists nowadays to show how the Mother trilogy got started. I'd much rather he'd be a costume for Ness or not in at all. Come at me.

most i could ever see for ninten is an echo of ness

but again he already has a spirit so he's basically dead in the water for speculation as far as i'm concerned

 

[Luigi The President]

Why? It's a valid point. People got so wound up by this "trusted source" saying she was in, yelling about how it made sense because JAPAN and MARKETING, or yelling about DESERVEDNESS, WORLDWIDE NOTABILITY, and MORE SWORD FIGHTERS. Then the leaker says "oops", and that was all for naught. Best case scenario is that people wasted time, worst case is that people got attached to the idea 100% and are now upset by something that's not happening.

Things fall through, plans change, legit leakers get bad info... no point in 100% trusting something until it's on the screen in front of you.

Why?

Because I'm legally obligated to defend Katalina as a joke whenever she's relevant lol

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

No idea.

Let's talk about Jill instead!

And... now I'm hungry for a sandwich...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

DLC leaking is not like the main roster leaking. The project plan was made...years ago. DLC, even if it started or was “planned” at the end of base production, how exactly would they be in working, playable shape already?

Piranha Plant was playtested because it’s coming out in February and is basically appearing to be a character they didn’t have enough time for for the base roster. That, again, doesn’t work for Steve.

Steve stands out, not because I don’t like the idea of him, but because it’s absurdly Direct but also indirect at the same time. He’s known almost 3-4 months before release, then it turns out there’s just a Minecraft boss (lol nope), then the original leaker (Verg) says they’re confused and have to ask their source about it.

That, to me, sounds like miscommunication and some bull****. Playtesting or different versions doesn’t explain that away.

I fully believe Verg has a good source for base. Not so much for this DLC as of right now.

 

[GoeGoe]

b. its the most disappointing outcome for me so it will probably happen

Where are you going? your plate's still full.. now finish those four disappointments.

 

[R O F L]

Do we know for a fact that Spirits deconfirm characters or not? Or are we still in a big mess with this topic?


Also, I don't know if this means anything or not, but Galeem and Dharkon are spirits, two characters we know aren't turned into spirits in the story.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

yeah there's that and then there's saying "i am confident doom slayer will be dlc" without any actual evidence

Is that a hypothetical or is someone actually saying it?

Asking for a friend. (Think Zinith but with Doom Guy)

 

[Bionichute]

DUDE, IF GILGAMESH CAME IN WITH CLASH ON THE BIG BRIDGE, I'D BE SO DOWN.

battle on the big bridge not being in smash bros is an actual literal crime

 

[Deleted member]

Remember when people were debating the authenticity of that ****ing July 23rd direct rumour that had **** like Mother 3D on it?

This isn’t related to anything we’re discussing now. I just remembered that debacle.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Why?

Because I'm legally obligated to defend Katalina as a joke whenever she's relevant lol

Top 10 reasons for Katalina's inclusion:

1. Ultimate Bahamut's theme
2. Any further points would be redundant after Ultimate Bahamut's theme

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I still think Nintendo's only presence at the VGAs is going to be Metroid Prime related.

 

[Idon]

Do we know for a fact that Spirits deconfirm characters or not? Or are we still in a big mess with this topic?


Also, I don't know if this means anything or not, but Galeem and Dharkon are spirits, two characters we know aren't turned into spirits in the story.

Nope.
I hope the first character is a spirit cough Lyn

cough so that the argument that spirits deconfirm characters could be rest immediately.

Otherwise, if none of the DLC characters are spirits, this argument will continue onwards until the last DLC character wherein people would argue "Well just because a spirit never became a DLC character doesn't mean they were deconfirmed."

 

[SonicMario]

Do we know for a fact that Spirits deconfirm characters or not? Or are we still in a big mess with this topic?


Also, I don't know if this means anything or not, but Galeem and Dharkon are spirits, two characters we know aren't turned into spirits in the story.

I still believe we don't know for sure. Those who say they do/might point towards the lack of a Piranha Plant Spirit. Though I do feel there needs to be a little more then that. And we also have to be careful in suddenly going the opposite spectrum and saying any characters are CONFIRMED if they aren't a spirit.

 

[Deleted member]

I still think Nintendo's only presence at the VGAs is going to be Metroid Prime related.

Fine by me. I'd love a Metroid Prime 4 annoucement.

 

[staindgrey]

And back in June, Nintendo said there wasn't any plan for DLC for Smash Ultimate, yet talks were already starting for a long time for some company.
I'm not calling it a lies.
But it's a VERY COMMON PRACTICE to say "Oh, we're not working on DLC" when you have a team working on it and planning it.

So it wouldn't be surprising if it's what happened.

The key is wording. Working on can mean a lot of things. There's a lot of pre-planning to get the DLC ready that wouldn't be grouped together with "working on".

For example, for our Youtube channel, I publicly say I'm working on the next episode when it's in high gear and I have most of what I need to make the episode. But there's a considerable amount of work that comes before that, including watching the source material repeatedly for visuals, outlining events and writing jokes, script rough draft, second draft and final draft, sending script notes to our online actors, coordinating schedules with our local ones, doing preliminary photoshop and video arranging work for harder scenes while I wait, then recording voices for various characters. Then I say, "Hey! We've started work on the next episode!" But it's already been worked on for the last month. If I say I started when I actually started, though, people have in their heads that the actual final editing started back then, because no one considers all that setup part of working.

 

[Bionichute]

I still believe we don't know for sure. Those who say they do/might point towards the lack of a Piranha Plant Spirit. Though I do feel there needs to be a little more then that. And we also have to be careful in suddenly going the opposite spectrum and saying any characters are CONFIRMED if they aren't a spirit.

yeah this full on

...but also sylux has anything else going for him, due to dark samus' alt colors

 

[Nekoo]

I still think Nintendo's only presence at the VGAs is going to be Metroid Prime related.

I don't think it's only going to be Prime 4 CGI and Prime collection.
There's going to have something else, whatever it is.

 

[Bionichute]

I don't think it's only going to be Prime 4 CGI and Prime collection.
There's going to have something else, whatever it is.

what if they reveal metroid prime 4, prime trilogy switch

AND SYLUX

 

[Deleted member]

Never5get the Gothitelle leak. By far the best fake we had in all of speculation phase. Specialists said it shouldn't even have been born but it lived fpr more than 3 months

 

[Deleted member]

DLC leaking is not like the main roster leaking. The project plan was made...years ago. DLC, even if it started or was “planned” at the end of base production, how exactly would they be in working, playable shape already?

Piranha Plant was playtested because it’s coming out in February and is basically appearing to be a character they didn’t have enough time for for the base roster. That, again, doesn’t work for Steve.

Steve stands out, not because I don’t like the idea of him, but because it’s absurdly Direct but also indirect at the same time. He’s known almost 3-4 months before release, then it turns out there’s just a Minecraft boss (lol nope), then the original leaker (Verg) says they’re confused and have to ask their source about it.

That, to me, sounds like miscommunication and some bull****. Playtesting or different versions doesn’t explain that away.

I fully believe Verg has a good source for base. Not so much for this DLC as of right now.

Minecraft has also been the one point of contention among otherwise credible people, which makes it strange. You'd be hard pressed to find insiders who disagreed on Ken, Incineroar, etc. and even now with an SE character, even if the names being thrown around are different. But Minecraft/Steve? We've got two people saying Steve is a sure thing, one saying that Minecraft content at least exists, and multiple others saying that Minecraft may be a no-show entirely. None of it really meshes together well.

 

[Gentlepanda]

I don't think it's only going to be Prime 4 CGI and Prime collection.
There's going to have something else, whatever it is.

Due to the recent leaks, we have decided to cancel the impending midnight release of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Please look forward to it at some point in late 2020.

 

[KarneraMythos]

You're missing the point. The fact that ANY character's death could come from something as stupid as that, and what was CLEARLY supposed to be an "emotional moment" is goddamned ridiculous.

It's like the writers have never heard of tonal whiplash.

And this is one of MANY examples where the game goes full "oh, we're anime now" moments.

I'm going to reference one particular moment in Xenoblade 2 that got a bunch of people in a tizzy. Spoilers ahead.

Spoiler: This is the tastiest spoiler ever! No exaggeration!

In the ending credits Post-"And thus Boy met Girl", we witness Pneuma's core crystal reactivating in Rex's hand. The core crystal had remained intact in spite of Pneuma's Heroic Sacrifice, and later reintroduces Pyra and Mythra as separate entities in front of everyone while voyaging toward the new land. Some people cite this moment as an Ass Pull, but there's justification for their resurrection despite what had happened at the Orbital Ring.

From Chapter 3 and onward, we've been treated to Mythra and the nature of Pyra as a coping-mechanism for the tragedy that happened 500 years ago on Alrest. It's never stated what Pyra is to Mythra, but she fits the dictionary definition of a Tulpa. In Layman's Terms, he's an aspect of Mythra made independent from her, and Mythra in turn ends up being Pneuma's Tulpa as well. A recursive Thoughtform, if you will.

Being an Aegis, Pneuma can tap into the entire library of Blades and relay information, presumably revert/accelerate a Titan's age, manipulate all elements, shorten Rex's anchor so it conveniently falls to the bottom of the port bridge, and travel FTL (at least within the game's context). Combine those feats with her god-like abilities and it's not unreasonable to assume that she created Mythra and Pyra the same way Klaus had the Cloud Sea form the earliest Core Crystals from all of the nano-binding.

So where does Pneuma's sacrifice and Pyra and Mythra's recovery fall here? It's simple: Pneuma died, but Pyra and Mythra are independent Beings whose minds come together to form Pneuma's body. After Pneuma had discarded her physical form controlling the last of Aion's power, she channeled her remaining life force back into her Tulpas while permanently discarding away her true form. Now that Pyra and Mythra exist separately, they act as the remnants of Pneuma, with the newly-formed land ahead of them, Rex, Poppi and the rest of their friends, and the Phoenix symbolism with the Blades and Titans coming full circle.

 

[Nekoo]

Due to the recent leaks, we have decided to cancel the impending midnight release of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Please look forward to it at some point in late 2020.

"By the way, the DLC aren't included. You still have to buy the pass. And we removed Cloud, because our licence for him will expire today."

 

[ClaTheBae]

almost actually got shot while picking up my boss' lunch just now

can you imagine me dying before the game came out like yikes

 

[Gentlepanda]

"By the way, the DLC aren't included. You still have to buy the pass. And we removed Cloud, because our licence for him will expire today."

"In his place, we have decided to add WinRar. We didn't buy his license, but that was a fairly easy problem to overcome."

 

[Deleted member]

If there isn’t a smash announcement at TGA, I’ll do 2 jumps in a row. Off-camera of course, but I’ll tell you all about it once I’ve done it.
Hey, someone’s gotta take a big risk.

 

[Bionichute]

almost actually got shot while picking up my boss' lunch just now

can you imagine me dying before the game came out like yikes

this has statistically happened already

 

[Luigifan18]

almost actually got shot while picking up my boss' lunch just now

can you imagine me dying before the game came out like yikes

...Wait, what?!

 

[Robertman2]

SFV's third season (and I believe the second and first as well) didn't initially announce everyone at once. They gave silhouettes and actually announced each character shortly before release. It's a smarter way of trying to get people to pay money in advance for characters they don't want.

I just use fight money.

Season showed everyone off intially. We didn't gameplay until right before they dropped.

 

[Nekoo]

If there isn’t a smash announcement at TGA, I’ll do 2 jumps in a row. Off-camera of course, but I’ll tell you all about it once I’ve done it.
Hey, someone’s gotta take a big risk.

The hero we do not deserve.

 

[Deleted member]

almost actually got shot while picking up my boss' lunch just now

can you imagine me dying before the game came out like yikes

Elaborate you tease.

 

[staindgrey]

Season showed everyone off intially. We didn't gameplay until right before they dropped.

Oh wait. You're right. I remember that now. Because I saw Cody in a suit and thought "the hell?"

Huh. I guess they did.

 

[Deleted member]

The hero we do not deserve.

Not the hero you need either.

 

[R O F L]

Those who say they do/might point towards the lack of a Piranha Plant Spirit.

I'm pretty sure this means nothing ever since we found out that PP was supposed to have been base game. They most likely removed his fighter spirit before launch so there wouldn't be a PP fighter spirit but with no PP.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Oh wait. You're right. I remember that now. Because I saw Cody in a suit and thought "the hell?"

Huh. I guess they did.

inb4 the TGA announcement is a SFV season 2 style CG reveal of literally every character to be released over the next 14 months

 

[Deleted member]

almost actually got shot while picking up my boss' lunch just now

can you imagine me dying before the game came out like yikes

I seriously worry about the priorities of all of you.

 

[Nekoo]

Not the hero you need either.

Of course I need you dude.

I NEED A HERO!


Ahem. I'm sorry.