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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.

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Cutie Gwen said:
************ one is a speedy fighter who does lots of damage but takes damage while the other one is slow and meant to think ahead and manage their limited weaponry how is that too similar in terms of playstyle
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That's how they play similarly; they both would put a focus on saving their magic attacks for the right moment. While Robin is slow, he features a tactical playstyle; you can use your magic now, but you might not need it when the time comes. You can charge your magic, but is it worth running out? You can also use your more powerful sword, but it is limited as well; this management is crucial to his moveset.

Celica would feature something similar. Do you use your magic now, knowing that it damages you? Is it worth the damage so early in the match, or should you play safe for now? If you play it safe you'll do less damage, but you'll conserve more of your own health.

This is why Celica and Robin would play similarly. Both are capable of having their own arsenals, but both characters would place an emphasis on managing your own inventory or your own status with your magic attacks. This is why it would be better to represent other weapons in Fire Emblem, such as axes (Edelgard) than add our second sword/tome hybrid character with a similar "management" aspect.
 
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Amazing Ampharos said:
What's wrong with the current FE stages? Castle Siege is a staple Smash stage, Arena Ferox is overall a good design that got extra work put into it to give it a quality hazards off form, and Coliseum was forgettable in Wii U but I bet it's going to be one of the best stages in the game for 8 player smash. When I think of which series have high average stage quality in Smash, honestly, FE is near the top of my list probably right behind Pokemon.
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Castle Siege and Coliseum are just generic, they aren't from any single FE game other than CS having some Tellius motifs. The series isn't bursting with iconic/easily realizable locales, but there are definitely alternatives to the generics.
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Haven't played SoV yet, but I have to admit, I love the map theme from Brawl. Plus, from what I've heard about her, she could probably be a really unique fighter in a similar vain to Robin. I'm for her, despite the inevitable salt over more FE representation (then again, I'm for anyone and everyone in the roster).
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Celica has a lot of unique spells, she casts them by reducing her own health, and has access to short-term time travel (imagine like Tracer from Overwatch, going back in time to a certain place and position). Opossum Opossum has a pretty good moveset he made for her, he can definitely explain Celica much better than me.
 
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FINALLY SOME CONFIRMATION:

From that leak stream going on, Kirby's classic mode unlocks Ness, meaning Classic mode can unlock characters!
 
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Pokechu said:
That's how they play similarly; they both would put a focus on saving their magic attacks for the right moment. While Robin is slow, he features a tactical playstyle; you can use your magic now, but you might not need it when the time comes. You can charge your magic, but is it worth running out? You can also use your more powerful sword, but it is limited as well; this management is crucial to his moveset.

Celica would feature something similar. Do you use your magic now, knowing that it damages you? Is it worth the damage so early in the match, or should you play safe for now? If you play it safe you'll do less damage, but you'll conserve more of your own health.

This is why Celica and Robin would play similarly. Both are capable of having their own arsenals, but both characters would place an emphasis on managing your own inventory or your own status with your magic attacks. This is why it would be better to represent other weapons in Fire Emblem, such as axes (Edelgard) than add our second sword/tome hybrid character with a similar "management" aspect.
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Not at all. Everyone I see who has a playstyle idea for Celica is basically high risk high reward, it's not "Do I wait?" like Robin, it's "How much do I want to go in?"
 
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you can pick multiple of the same character for squad strike, so got my squad all ready

 
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Cutie Gwen said:
Not at all. Everyone I see who has a playstyle idea for Celica is basically high risk high reward, it's not "Do I wait?" like Robin, it's "How much do I want to go in?"
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Robin also features that high risk/high reward. He charges up his tomes; you can do this early in the match and rack up damage safely (Thoron is a huge hitter), but will it be worth rendering yourself powerless later on? This is similar to how Celica's magic could do massive damage while rendering herself defenseless later on as she can be knocked off the stage easily.
 
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The bleeding eyeball from Kirby is Zero, who then became Zero-Two in the Crystal Shards game.

Not to be confused with any of the other fictional characters named Zero (there's a lot of 'em) or the anime dinosaur lady of the same name.

btw glad to see duplicates are allowed in Squad Strike.
 
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Pokechu said:
Robin also features that high risk/high reward. He charges up his tomes; you can do this early in the match and rack up damage safely (Thoron is a huge hitter), but will it be worth rendering yourself powerless later on? This is similar to how Celica's magic could do massive damage while rendering herself defenseless later on as she can be knocked off the stage easily.
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Robin is a purely defensive zoner while Celica's style is basically "do as much as you can until it's too dangerous to go further, then fall back."
 
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Robin also features that high risk/high reward. He charges up his tomes; you can do this early in the match and rack up damage safely (Thoron is a huge hitter), but will it be worth rendering yourself powerless later on? This is similar to how Celica's magic could do massive damage while rendering herself defenseless later on as she can be knocked off the stage easily.
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That's not 'too similar'. Robin's ENTIRE thing is management, EVERYTHING is crucial to remember ('cept Nosferatu lol). Robin wasting resources is punished by not being able to use a large amount of moves, Celica wouldn't get this, the idea is she can go on and on and on until her foe gets that one hit on her. Besides, would you say Charizard is too similar to Bowser? Both are powerful heavyweights that have armour in some fashion and even have an extremely similar attack in terms of their neutral Bs.
 
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You know, out of curiosity, has there been any confirmation of a Spirit from the "Puyo Puyo" series? I find it quite odd if there isn't at least one.

The series is owned by Sega, and the games are currently developed by Sonic Team. With "Puyo Puyo Tetris" being a pretty early release for the Switch, and a fairly successful one (I think), I would think that they'd at least get something in Ultimate. I mean, Sega and Sonic Team are already involved in Smash, so I don't think it'd be too hard getting a Spirit to represent the series. Especially since, according to Source Gaming's "observational study" of Japanese ballot votes, Arle was decently requested in Japan (apparently even beating Cloud and being the 5th most requested third party character).

I just find it interesting if they really don't have one.
 
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Karl's boss fight is weird.
I understand the normal body horror attacks of its franchise but I feel I'm starting to become one of those peoples who goes "that is not canon" with the most tiny of things;
 
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Opossum said:
Robin is a purely defensive zoner while Celica's style is basically "do as much as you can until it's too dangerous to go further, then fall back."
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This management aspect is still the foundation of their movesets; it is a slightly different take on it, but it boils down to "how much should I give in now, and will it be worth suffering later?". As a result, including Celica seems a bit redundant in my opinion. With how close Three Houses is and how Edelgard could introduce axes, I find it likelier that if we get a Fire Emblem character she'll get in over Celica, despite the latter's proven popularity.
 
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Cutie Gwen said:
That's not 'too similar'. Robin's ENTIRE thing is management, EVERYTHING is crucial to remember ('cept Nosferatu lol). Robin wasting resources is punished by not being able to use a large amount of moves, Celica wouldn't get this, the idea is she can go on and on and on until her foe gets that one hit on her. Besides, would you say Charizard is too similar to Bowser? Both are powerful heavyweights that have armour in some fashion and even have an extremely similar attack in terms of their neutral Bs.
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Celica would feature management as well, because she has to manage her own damage taken. She would be able to be more aggressive as it would all only break down once she gets hit, but there is still a clear "risk/reward" in both characters; Robin with how he can waste his stronger weapons and Celica with how her own attacks can spell her doom.
 
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