Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Superyoshiom]

I have to agree. It might be my bias as a Mimikyu/Lycanroc supporter, but I honestly think Gen 7 has so many viable candidates for Smash that an "upset" fighter of some description is honestly more likely than specifically Decidueye. Decidueye is honestly not that heavily promoted at all outside of Pokkén DX, isn't THAT popular compared to other Gen 7 Pokémon in Japan, and feels a bit too much like Smash fans are filling quotas that Sakurai is about to break.

As much as I love Decidueye, Mimikyu's got a couple of things going for it
1) It's marketable as all heck
2) It's very hard to make into a clone of Pikachu (Ghost/Fairy type, and while I do believe it can learn thunderbolt and thunder by TM, it can't learn any of Pikachu's moves by level up), which can give it a very unique moveset and playstyle
3) It has the potential for an awesome final smash

 

[Starcutter]

I see Mimikyu and it screams pokeball Pokemon to me, idk.

Same for Zeraora.

I mean, I'd be surprised if either is playable but it's still up in the air and both could happen.



As for entrance animations, I could see Rex jump in with his "successful" scavenger animation, I think it would work.

Unless the animation interferes with Pyra joining rex somehow, I think it could work

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Real entrance animations:

• BWD: Puts on his bandana and picks up his spear.
• Bonkers: The energy surge that all mid-bosses appear from.
• Daitoryo: Jumps straight out of his card.
• Isaac: Uses Teleport.
• King K. Rool: Flies with his Heli-Pack.
• Dixie Kong: Rides on the Krazy Koaster.
• Urban Champion: Two policemen take him out of a police car and uncuff him.
• Takamaru: Starts invisible, turns visible.
• Ashley: Red turns into Ashley's wand and jumps into her hand.
• Savvy Stylist: Makes herself pretty with makeup.
• Kamek: Flies on his broom.
• Steve: Comes out of an Ender Portal.
• Crash: Uses a spin attack.
• Jibanyan: Is made visible with the Yo-Kai Watch.
• Tails: Flies in a Tornado plane.
• Daisy: "Hi I'm Daisy!"

 

[Deleted member]

That was me. BluePikmin11.

That face when Smash Bros. Switch is delayed.

Decidueye has more moveset potential than Mimikyu IMO. You have a lot more material to work with from a Bird Archer who is also a ghost than a unknown pokemon hiding under a Pikachu costume. I also can't see a Mimikyu jumping around the stage like other Pokemon. It seems weird.

Technically speaking, we have received at least 1 Pokemon newcomer each smash game, so we definitely are going to see a Pokemon newcomer.

I used to believe the Gen 8 Grass starter was going to be the one in Smash instead of Decidueye, but since Smash is coming out in 2018, it seems indicative of the idea that Pokemon will not arrive before Smash. So it's back to Decidueye for me.

If I could have it my way, that is the go to option.

I think Decidueye is likely and does have more move-set potential than Mimikyu.
Opossum made the best Decidueye move-set, you can find it in Lampy's Decidueye support thread.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

• Daisy: "Hi I'm Daisy!"

8 Daisies at once? Oh the tears of hatred will be casted upon her

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Crash's entrance animation should be him getting ejected out of a portal, tumbling forward with a look of panic. After he comes to a halt, he has a dejected look, before getting up. You know, similar to how Crash gets ejected from a portal whenever he fails a level in Crash 2 and 3

Also, what would your reaction be if we got Rowlet as a playable character?

 

[Rockaphin]

As much as I would love to play as Mimikyu. Mimikyu's signature Z-Move is definitely PokeBall material.

I'm not saying that should prevent Mimikyu from playable status, but I'd be happy to see this coming from a PokeBall Pokemon.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Yeah, if Melee ever did get a re-release, I think the response would be mostly positive, or at least, it SHOULD be. Most other iconic fighters that got re-releases, the MK games, SF2, SF3:3S and the MvC games all received positive responses from their communities. Except the alternate artstyle in SF2, but that could be changed on a dime. And these releases had online modes for people to fight each other on. Do that with Melee and people SHOULD be happy.

I feel like it would be too late. They've been set in their ways for so long I'm not sure many would be willing to jump ship to even the slightest change.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Spoiler: Dark Matter Entrance

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For Dark Matter this is basically what I'd want, a bunch of black clouds morphing together just like in Dreamland 3 (it'd have to be way quicker though lol) but instead of forming the ball form they morph into it's sword form from Dreamland 2:
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Then after a quick poof of black smoke it'll be visible again with its clothes on and with its sword.
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I always loved Dark Matter's intro in Dream Land 3 and how it goes in sync with the music, it gets you properly hyped for the battle.

 

[Bowserlick]

In the Pokemon series you are given a choice between a Grass, Water or Fire Type pokemon.

In Smash you are only given the choice between the evolved starter of a Fire or Water type. I would like to be able to pick my Grass starter.

Types are a character in essence. Fans can find themselves gravitating toward the type that best represents them, that has the qualities they would like to have, that has the best design direction, ect.

As one of the first three types you could pick over two decades, a Grass type should be a selectable option.

 

[MrReyes96]

In the Pokemon series you are given a choice between a Grass, Water or Fire Type pokemon.

In Smash you are only given the choice between the evolved starter of a Fire or Water type. I would like to be able to pick my Grass starter.

Types are a character in essence. Fans can find themselves gravitating toward the type that best represents them, that has the qualities they would like to have, that has the best design direction, ect.

As one of the first three types you could pick over two decades, a Grass type should be a selectable option.

Exactly, that’s what more important than anything else. It could be Sceptile or whoever but having a grass starter is desperately needed.

 

[UserKev]

I know the feeling, trust me. Celica also doesn't have the biggest thread around, for example, so a lot of my posts about her end up here because I can't double post in the main thread.

Aye, I'm a Doc Louis supporter. It could be worst for you.

 

[Fenriraga]

As much as I would love to play as Mimikyu. Mimikyu's signature Z-Move is definitely PokeBall material.

I'm not saying that should prevent Mimikyu from playable status, but I'd be happy to see this coming from a PokeBall Pokemon.

So pretty much Gulpin from Brawl then? That could work.

...I tried to look up pics of Gulpin in Brawl and got a bunch of vore screenshots. I recommend not doing that.

 

[MrReyes96]

Also we already have a fairy type in smash with Jigglypuff, would people prefer to cut her with Mimikyu replacing her?

Before anyone says they could both be in and type doesn’t matter, there are no repeating Pokémon types in smash.

 

[Freduardo]

So the mii fighter costumes (that could be potential characters) that were downloadable were:

Bundle 1:
Majora’s Mask (Skull Kid), Link (Already a character, Durban, X, Protoman,

Bundle 2:
Inkling (already a character), Heihachi, Akira Yuki, Jacky Bryant, Zero, Isabelle, Mega Man.EXE, KK Slider,

Bundle 3:
K Rool, Flying Man, Chrom, Lloyd Irving, Black Knight, Samus (already a character)

Bundle 4:
Toad, Captain Falcon, Viridi, Monster Hunter, Rathalos, Fox (already a character)

Bundle 5:
Chocobo, Geno

Bundle 6:
Knuckles, Takamaru, Gil, Ashley, Tails

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So do you think being a costume increases a character’s chances? And does being a costume and an assist trophy add to these chances?

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Ah, yes, another unwritten Smash rule. There is literally nothing stating that type overlap prevents a Pokemon from being added.

 

[PeridotGX]

Also we already have a fairy type in smash with Jigglypuff, would people prefer to cut her with Mimikyu replacing her?

Before anyone says they could both be in and type doesn’t matter, there are no repeating Pokémon types in smash.

Pichu and Pikachu were both Electric Types, and I heavily doubt that they cut Squirtle just so they could have Greninja. Plus, Jiggilypuff was added as a pure normal type and used more Rock type moves then Fairy.

 

[MrReyes96]

So the mii fighter costumes (that could be potential characters) that were downloadable were:

Bundle 1:
Majora’s Mask (Skull Kid), Link (Already a character, Durban, X, Protoman,

Bundle 2:
Inkling (already a character), Heihachi, Akira Yuki, Jacky Bryant, Zero, Isabelle, Mega Man.EXE, KK Slider,

Bundle 3:
K Rool, Flying Man, Chrom, Lloyd Irving, Black Knight, Samus (already a character)

Bundle 4:
Toad, Captain Falcon, Viridi, Monster Hunter, Rathalos, Fox (already a character)

Bundle 5:
Chocobo, Geno

Bundle 6:
Knuckles, Takamaru, Gil, Ashley, Tails

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So do you think being a costume increases a character’s chances? And does being a costume and an assist trophy add to these chances?

I do think it helps some characters

Isabelle, K. Rool, Toad, Viridi, Takamaru, and Ashley are all much more likely because of it. I would bet one or more of them are guaranteed.
Being an assist trophy like Isabelle or featured in a stage like Viridi also helps

 

[UserKev]

Decidueye has more moveset potential than Mimikyu IMO. You have a lot more material to work with from a Bird Archer who is also a ghost than a unknown pokemon hiding under a Pikachu costume. I also can't see a Mimikyu jumping around the stage like other Pokemon. It seems weird.

This is why I want Mimikyu in Smash so bad. I want Sakurai to make all of you eat those words. Its generally difficult to comprehend how any character could work until Sakurai touches it.

 

[Curious Villager]

Before anyone says they could both be in and type doesn’t matter, there are no repeating Pokémon types in smash.

Pikachu and Pichu in Melee say hi.

Besides, Jigglypuff didn't even make use of any Fairy type moves in Smash 4. Heck, not even any added glitter easthetic's to her existing moves or something. She didn't really represent the Fairy type in Smash at all and was treated more like the pure normal type she had always been before X & Y..

 

[Rockaphin]

As one of the first three types you could pick over two decades, a Grass type should be a selectable option.

I know some may not think he's relevant anymore, but I would like to see Ivysaur return. Ivysaur had a very unique moveset and, IMO, fun to play.

So pretty much Gulpin from Brawl then? That could work.

...I tried to look up pics of Gulpin in Brawl and got a bunch of vore screenshots. I recommend not doing that.

I forgot all about Gulpin. I guess Mimikyu would be a relevant Gulpin.

 

[MrReyes96]

I wouldn’t mind if Mimikyu makes it in, I just don’t think it’s very likely. I think Jigglypuff will stay the only cute oddball pokemon in smash.

Edit: also pichu and pikachu is a bad example because it’s the same Pokémon just evolved, and a clone, and he was cut ten years ago.

 

[Reality_Ciak]

it happens. ('d but I'm still typing dang it)

I'd say it's about as ideal as getting multiple of one weapon type (cough cough swordsmen) from Fire Emblem, so while it certainly isn't a rule, it's fairly obvious why some people would prefer typings not overlap when there are plenty of unrepresented types.

Though, personally, something like Lucario and Buzzswole making it in wouldn't feel like a typing overlap...

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I wouldn’t mind if Mimikyu makes it in, I just don’t think it’s very likely. I think Jigglypuff will stay the only cute oddball pokemon in smash.

Edit: also pichu and pikachu is a bad example because it’s the same Pokémon just evolved, and a clone, and he was cut ten years ago.

Regardless of the fact that Pikachu and Pichu are a bad example (which I agree with, by the way), there is still no rule stating anything about one Pokemon's type affecting another's chance of getting in. This is entirely a fan rule because it hasn't happened. Plenty of fan rules have been debunked over Smash's history.

 

[UserKev]

Regardless of the fact that Pikachu and Pichu are a bad example (which I agree with, by the way), there is still no rule stating anything about one Pokemon's type affecting another's chance of getting in. This is entirely a fan rule because it hasn't happened. Plenty of fan rules have been debunked over Smash's history.

Its not a bad example with the fact that people are writing off Mimikyu as a pokeball screamer when basically every Pokémon would come off like that until Sakurai develops them.

 

[blackghost]

The trailers will be indicative of whether we will ge a full story mode or not. smash 4 out a lot of money, effort, and time into the reveal trailers. brawl didn't and focused it into the story cutscenes. money is finite (even for nintendo). asking for BOTH story cutscene with voice acting and lots of reveal trailers is ignoring logistics. smash 4 trailers collectively.
evidence:
brawl subspace emissary cutscenes total at around 45 minutes.
smash 4 reveal trailers total at 40 minutes.
i dont count or care about melee due to its quick dev cycle.

 

[Deleted member]

So the mii fighter costumes (that could be potential characters) that were downloadable were:

Bundle 1:
Majora’s Mask (Skull Kid), Link (Already a character, Durban, X, Protoman,

Bundle 2:
Inkling (already a character), Heihachi, Akira Yuki, Jacky Bryant, Zero, Isabelle, Mega Man.EXE, KK Slider,

Bundle 3:
K Rool, Flying Man, Chrom, Lloyd Irving, Black Knight, Samus (already a character)

Bundle 4:
Toad, Captain Falcon, Viridi, Monster Hunter, Rathalos, Fox (already a character)

Bundle 5:
Chocobo, Geno

Bundle 6:
Knuckles, Takamaru, Gil, Ashley, Tails

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So do you think being a costume increases a character’s chances? And does being a costume and an assist trophy add to these chances?

Many of these costumes were based on existing models, either from Smash or elsewhere.

I also find it interesting that Sega's Virtua Fighter and Capcom's Monster Hunter got two costumes, whereas otherwise unrepresented Namco franchises got one each. Probably because with Namco co-developing Smash, it might have been easier to get the rights to multiple franchises than with Capcom or Sega (or Square for that matter).

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Its not a bad example with the fact that people are writing off Mimikyu as a pokeball screamer when basically every Pokémon would come off like that until Sakurai develops them.

You're welcome to your opinion, but I don't personally believe a last-second clone is indicative of any potential newcomer policy Sakurai does happen to have. I believe Sakurai doesn't give a crap about types, though. Especially if we're only talking about having one Pokemon who happens to cross over. It's not like all the Pokemon share a type or something. If Gamefreak tells him he should add X Pokemon, and Sakurai can rather quickly establish a vision of what X Pokemon could do, they'll be in regardless of fake type standards.
But I'm also the kind of person who thinks the vast majority of Pokemon have plenty of potential, especially fan favorites like Mimikyu.

 

[Curious Villager]

Last minute clone or not, still doesn't hold back the fact that Sakurai was more than fine with including Pichu into the game to begin with. If a repeated type was something he supposedly is vehemently opposed to including, he would have either looked for a different character to clone or not included Pichu at all.

Mimikyu has things that can hold it back. It's typing Isn't one of them though.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Mimikyu has things that can hold it back. It's typing Isn't one of them though.

And that goes for any Pokemon newcomer til we hear otherwise. I don't think anyone should write off a Pokemon because they share a type with a veteran.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

The type argument is about as good as the generation argument, which the presence of in the same game has already debunked.

But to answer the original question, no, I would not want Jigglypuff cut under any circumstance.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So what are people's reaction to Zeraora?

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

So what are people's reaction to Zeraora?

Some of us, like myself, like him a lot and think he has a legitimate shot at being playable. Others say he came along too late/isn't popular enough, which may be a valid argument.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Yeah, if Melee ever did get a re-release, I think the response would be mostly positive, or at least, it SHOULD be. Most other iconic fighters that got re-releases, the MK games, SF2, SF3:3S and the MvC games all received positive responses from their communities. Except the alternate artstyle in SF2, but that could be changed on a dime. And these releases had online modes for people to fight each other on. Do that with Melee and people SHOULD be happy.



I'd pick Grey myself. That dude may LOOK like Axl(with some MMX and Zero mixed in), but he FIGHTS a lot more like Mega Man X does(but with his homing missiles too). Give him his Charge Shot, a Dash Tackle, Homing Missile and a Slide(from Model "a", the 8-bit one) and that'd be the start of where to take his moveset.

Like others have said, he should take the other BioMetal attacks into his moveset, and if not those, then the Mavericks you can copy too.

My question is if Melee got rereleased, would it still have the same 26 fighters, or would they add a few more as an Melee 2.0?

 

[Putuk]

All this Pokémon talk just makes me sad that there's no chance any of the Pokémon I like have a shot at Smash ever. The only currently relevant Pokémon I like is Primarina, but I know that'll never happen. Feels bad man.

So what are people's reaction to Zeraora?

Incredibly uninteresting and dull design. Nothing about it excites me.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

My question is if Melee got rereleased, would it still have the same 26 fighters, or would they add a few more as an Melee 2.0?

Honestly, they could probably get away with LESS characters. Cut it down to like 5 stages and 8 fighters, and hardcore Melee players wouldn't know the difference

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Before anyone says they could both be in and type doesn’t matter, there are no repeating Pokémon types in smash.

Pikachu and Pichu - both electrics
Greninja and Squirtle - both water

Whatcha talking 'bout Willis?

All this Pokémon talk just makes me sad that there's no chance any of the Pokémon I like have a shot at Smash ever. The only currently relevant Pokémon I like is Primarina, but I know that'll never happen. Feels bad man.



Incredibly uninteresting and dull design. Nothing about it excites me.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm disappointed there's too many of them that I love who missed their chances

Sceptile
Gengar
Blaziken
Garvedoir
Zangoose
Weavile
Heracross
Scizor

...I could go on but we got the point lmao

So what are people's reaction to Zeraora?

I think it has a solid chance. Unique electric moves that Pikachu doesn't have plus adding another legendary? Why not?

But I have a feeling Zeraora could become the next Corrin: advertising for a game

 

[N3ON]

Zeraora's window for promotion is like now until GF shows the Switch game, which will probably happen by E3.

Seems a bit myopic to think he'd be their choice.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Also we already have a fairy type in smash with Jigglypuff, would people prefer to cut her with Mimikyu replacing her?

Before anyone says they could both be in and type doesn’t matter, there are no repeating Pokémon types in smash.

Pikachu and Pichu

 

[Radical Bones]

But I have a feeling Zeraora could become the next Corrin: advertising for a game

A game that's at the end of it's life in Pokemon terms though. It's the last Mythical Pokemon for USUM, and in that respect, the least well-known Gen 7 Pokemon because it has had the least amount of exposure.

Corrin was the main character. Zeraora is essentially DLC.