Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Lyndis_]

the diff in ALL of those cases is we knew what the game looked like. they showed us gameplay and assets. we knew what ****ing rex looked like (even if we didn't know his name, but maybe we did, who tf knows, i don't really care about xenoblade), we knew about link's blue shirt, we knew about mario's weird hat. we saw the game in ACTION.

here, all we know is 'inklings, mario, and botw link are in'. it's the equivalent of saying 'metroid prime 4: now under development'. you've got EIGHT MONTHS left, surely you've got a ****ing screenshot to share!

BOTW was revealed with a cinematic (no gameplay), and while it did show Link's design, so did Smash Switch's cinematic along with showing that Inklings were in the game.

Odyssey was shown in the background of the Switch reveal trailer where you can barely even see it, with Mario in the Sand Kingdom.

They're almost definitely going to have a direct this or next month (although we can't confirm this until it happens, since they rarely announce directs more than 3 or so days in advance), so I don't see why we couldn't also expect the possibility of seeing some Smash info Pre-E3 at a potential direct, which E3 is only 2 months away itself.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

yeah, but even that was gameplay. splatoon 2 had gameplay. odyssey had gameplay. botw had gameplay. however brief, we got to see the game. here, it's about on the level of a smash 4 newcomer trailer. except even less, because we didn't get to see gameplay of the character in action!

botw link may even just be a costume, wouldn't be the first time a character's looks didn't gel with their powers (unless twilight princess zelda possessed a statue at some point). so botw link could have the hookshot throw.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Every week we wonder if they'll announce a Smash Bros direct...

 

[DraginHikari]

the diff in ALL of those cases is we knew what the game looked like. they showed us gameplay and assets. we knew what ****ing rex looked like (even if we didn't know his name, but maybe we did, who tf knows, i don't really care about xenoblade), we knew about link's blue shirt, we knew about mario's weird hat. we saw the game in ACTION.

here, all we know is 'inklings, mario, and botw link are in'. it's the equivalent of saying 'metroid prime 4: now under development'. you've got EIGHT MONTHS left, surely you've got a ****ing screenshot to share!

They could I image, but they didn't, but this doesn't suggest that there is something shady going on. There are a number of explanations. The reveal trailer was not ready, they wanted more time to talk about the game directly then the direct provided, they have a different plan, they're marketing plan is different, the development is focused on getting the game out on time rather then developing trailers, etc.

The thing is we should apply Occam's Razor in this regards. The mundane explanation is more likely unless you can determine those mundane explanations don't apply in this case, which no one can actually prove.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

They could I image, but they didn't, but this doesn't suggest that there is something shady going on. There are a number of explanations. The reveal trailer was not ready, they wanted more time to talk about the game directly then the direct provided, they have a different plan, they're marketing plan is different, the development is focused on getting the game out on time rather then developing trailers, etc.

The thing is we should apply Occam's Razor in this regards. The mundane explanation is more likely unless you can determine those mundane explanations don't apply in this case, which no one can actually prove.

but the problem with razoring this **** is that the simplest and most mundane explanation is the one people aren't gonna like, and that's that the game is a port. you don't need to show assets for a port 'cause folk already know what it looks like, and switch could be a port-plus arrangement. you don't need devnotes on a port, 'cause peeps already know how the **** it plays. you can have a smaller leak-proof team on a port, 'cause the big balancing ****'s been done with earlier teams. you can run tourneys on a port because people know how it plays already.

new games get shown off 'cause people want to know what they're buying before they ****ing buy. this game ain't gettin' shown off.

 

[Deleted member]

Now here’s something interesting.
https://gonintendo.com/stories/3067...-in-felix-from-asdivine-hearts-joining-the-sm

 

[DraginHikari]

but the problem with razoring this **** is that the simplest and most mundane explanation is the one people aren't gonna like, and that's that the game is a port. you don't need to show assets for a port 'cause folk already know what it looks like, and switch could be a port-plus arrangement. you don't need devnotes on a port, 'cause peeps already know how the **** it plays. you can have a smaller leak-proof team on a port, 'cause the big balancing ****'s been done with earlier teams. you can run tourneys on a port because people know how it plays already.

new games get shown off 'cause people want to know what they're buying before they ****ing buy. this game ain't gettin' shown off.

Your suggesting they are hiding the fact that it is a port for... reasons?

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

Your suggesting they are hiding the fact that it is a port for... reasons?

not hiding, but they might be doing that ninty thing they do when they think everyone's on their wavelength and figuring that everyone KNOWS it's a port.

they are acting really ****ing weird and cagey with this game. even if they plugged up the leaks, they really oughta have at least a ****ing screenshot out by now.

 

[DraginHikari]

not hiding, but they might be doing that ninty thing they do when they think everyone's on their wavelength and figuring that everyone KNOWS it's a port.

they are acting really ****ing weird and cagey with this game. even if they plugged up the leaks, they really oughta have at least a ****ing screenshot out by now.

They didn't post screenshots of Brawl or Smash 4 prior to first gameplay trailer which the last direct trailer was obviously not intended to be.

 

[Nauzgo]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...ing_to_the_nintendo_switch_this_year_in_japan

Now I would be really surprised to not see any of the characters from that game joining Smash. It kinda generates some second Pokemon hype in Japan. Aside from Smash, it will definetely also push the japanese Switch sales enormously.

 

[APC99]

Now here’s something interesting.
https://gonintendo.com/stories/3067...-in-felix-from-asdivine-hearts-joining-the-sm

"Hey, representative of *INSERT VIDEO GAME COMPANY HERE*, just for fun, what character would you like to see in the next Smash Bros?"
"Well, golly, I'd have to say that *INSERT MASCOT OF COMPANY OR PROTAG FROM THEIR MAIN IP* would sure be a swell addition!"
"And there you have it, folks! The company is game, it's all on Sakurai and Nintendo now!"

It doesn't matter if it's a AAA publisher, a small indie dev team, or even a freaking console competitor like Microsoft, Smash is such a big IP, everyone wants to play nice with Nintendo and plant themselves into the game and therefore into the hearts of millions of gamers who then potentially transfer over to them.

If you ask somebody if they'd want their character in Smash, of course they'd say yes, it doesn't matter if they don't license out their characters, it's freaking Smash. I cannot think of a single company who would not want their character to be in the biggest crossover fighting game on the market.

And before you say "but Snake was cut", we don't even know why Snake was cut. It could've been Konami, it could've been Nintendo, it could've been Sakurai, it could've been some intern spilling coffee all over the production plans for Snake and they just threw them away without telling anyone.

 

[SlickWylde]

They didn't post screenshots of Brawl or Smash 4 prior to first gameplay trailer which the last direct trailer was obviously not intended to be.

Yeah that's a good point. I'm still holding strong with my opinion: "Technically a new game, but with the same engine and not much new stuff"

 

[DraginHikari]

Yeah that's a good point. I'm still holding strong with my opinion: "Technically a new game, but with the same engine and not much new stuff"

I have no issue with that being an idea considering we have no real evidence either way. The only issue I really have in this conversation is trying to turn speculation into evidence or the assumption that a lack of evidence is evidence of the opposite point lol.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

They didn't post screenshots of Brawl or Smash 4 prior to first gameplay trailer which the last direct trailer was obviously not intended to be.

they didn't need to, we saw the game in the announcement trailer.

here, we see literally zero game. it's just a movie. it could be a trailer for a feature film for all we know.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

My preference is a Melee 2.0. Melee players can finally move on to a new game, which can have tournaments alongside Sm4sh tournaments (if they're still a thing).

 

[Starcutter]

they didn't need to, we saw the game in the announcement trailer.

here, we see literally zero game. it's just a movie. it could be a trailer for a feature film for all we know.

I'm not completely sure, but I'm guessing there's a good chance smash for switch isn't a feature film

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

I'm not completely sure, but I'm guessing there's a good chance smash for switch isn't a feature film

you're right, literally the only thing telling us it's a game is the fact that there's a tournament scheduled for it.

 

[Rockaphin]

So here's a small write-up for some stages I'd really like to see:

Spoiler

Bowser's Castle: I'm very surprised that this hasn't become a stage yet. No, the Paper Mario stage doesn't count IMO. Bowser's Castle deserves its own spot. Either the castle itself, or some variant appears in almost every Mario game.

Spoiler

City Escape: I'm not a fan of the generic Sonic stages we've seen. I think City Escape would make an excellent choice. It's very iconic, had its song included in Smash, and has the potential to have a neat gimmick:

The G.U.N. Truck would serve as the stages gimmick. As it comes by, cars and other debris come flying towards the players. Or simply, the G.U.N. Truck flies by, hitting any opponent in its way.

Spoiler

The Flying Krock: With me supporting King K. Rool, I'd like to see this as a stage. Maybe having the top of the castle at the bottom, and the aircraft at the top of the stage.

Spoiler

Clock Town Final Hours: I really like this dark setting. As the match proceeds, the stage gets darker as the moon approaches the town.

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Battle Theatre: The Paper Mario stage on the 3DS was nice barring Bowser's Castle but I'd really enjoy a traditional battle theatre from TTYD. There could be a set amount of backdrops and different audience members that throw items or stage hazards(rocks, buckets, etc...) at the fighters. The stage could contain various battle themes from all the different Mario RPG games.

Here are some Honorable mentions:

Spoiler

Gangplank Galleon
New Donk City
Bean Bean Kingdom
Team Rocket's Hideout
Pokemon Stadium 3
Tetris
Chemical Plant (Sonic the Hedgehog 2)

Here are some stages I'd like to see return:

Spoiler

Super Smash Bros. 64:
Hyrule Castle
Mushroom Kingdom
Planet Zebes
Saffron City
Meta Crystal (Metal Cavern)

Super Smash Bros. Melee:
Peach's Castle
Big Blue
Corneria
Fountain of Dreams
Temple
Great Bay
Mute City
Poke Floats
Pokemon Stadium

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:
Delfino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
PictoChat
Pirate Ship
Smashville
Spear Pillar
Warioware Inc.
Yoshi's Island
Shadow Moses Island

Super Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS:
3D Land
Boxing Ring
Duck Hunt
Super Mario Maker
Balloon Fight
Dream Land
Magicant
Pac-Maze
Tortimer Island
Gamer
Garden of Hope
Jungle Hijinxs
Mario Galaxy
Pilotwings
Palutena's Temple
The Great Cave Offensive
WuHu Island
Suzaku Castle

There's a lot of stages I'd like to see return, but I don't expect anything near this. These are just a few of some of my most wanted stages to appear.

 

[DraginHikari]

they didn't need to, we saw the game in the announcement trailer.

here, we see literally zero game. it's just a movie. it could be a trailer for a feature film for all we know.

That was an announcement trailer, it's basically like when Smash 4 was originally announced at E3 where they basically said, "Yeah this is being worked on' with a bit more flair behind it. It's why I specified the game play trailers specifically in my comment. Even if that's the case so what? It's not evidence of a port anymore then it's evidence of a new game.

 

[Deleted member]

....sure, it's for a feature film.

One that's labeled as being for the Nintendo Switch, has a Rating Pending from the ESRB, etc.

Smfh.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Now here’s something interesting.
https://gonintendo.com/stories/3067...-in-felix-from-asdivine-hearts-joining-the-sm

Who on Earth is that anyways?

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

That was an announcement trailer, it's basically like when Smash 4 was originally announced at E3 where they basically said, "Yeah this is being worked on' with a bit more flair behind it. It's why I specified the game play trailers specifically in my comment. Even if that's the case so what? It's not evidence of a port anymore then it's evidence of a new game.

i'd say the evidence points less toward 'new game' and more toward 'port-plus' because there ain't no one saying **** about anything. all we have is guesswork, speculation, and bull****. if the game were still a year-plus out, sure, that's just the breaks with development. this game is, at most, eight months from being printed and ****ing done, barring a delay. we got nothing to show for it. that's hella shady and super weird for a title of this magnitude.

again, we got to see how villager works with the announcement, we got to see battlefield, we got to see a ****ing trailer that hinted to more. we even got to see megaman in that exact same trailer.

 

[Megadoomer]

My preference is a Melee 2.0. Melee players can finally move on to a new game, which can have tournaments alongside Sm4sh tournaments (if they're still a thing).

I'm not sure if they would ever move to another game. Even if Melee was ported to the Switch with added online play, they'd still find a reason to boycott it, like if there was even the tiniest amount of input lag.

 

[DraginHikari]

I'm not sure if they would ever move to another game. Even if Melee was ported to the Switch with added online play, they'd still find a reason to boycott it, like if there was even the tiniest amount of input lag.

I've more or less come to expect that the Melee Players are going to be dragging CRTs around with them till the end of time.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

....sure, it's for a feature film.

One that's labeled as being for the Nintendo Switch, has a Rating Pending from the ESRB, etc.

Smfh.

v. good, you pick up sarcasm in pursuit of a point. point is we have zero info, which is REALLY ****ING WEIRD at this stage in a development cycle, especially of a game this big.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

v. good, you pick up sarcasm in pursuit of a point. point is we have zero info, which is REALLY ****ING WEIRD at this stage in a development cycle, especially of a game this big.

This is new Nintendo for you though. Super Mario Odyssey, Kirby Star Allies, Xenonblade 2, they all had this announce, silence, blowout, release cycle that has done nothing but build the hype for the games. It’s just them testing a new style. And I much prefer it this way than the Breath of the Wild style of announcements.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

This is new Nintendo for you though. Super Mario Odyssey, Kirby Star Allies, Xenonblade 2, they all had this announce, silence, blowout, release cycle that has done nothing but build the hype for the games. It’s just them testing a new style. And I much prefer it this way than the Breath of the Wild style of announcements.

the big, gigantic different between those titles and this one is that there is ****ing gameplay footage of each of those games in their trailers. again, outside of the ****ing tourney and the fact that inklings are in, we know absolutely nothing about this game.

 

[Cosmic77]

the big, gigantic different between those titles and this one is that there is ****ing gameplay footage of each of those games in their trailers. again, outside of the ****ing tourney and the fact that inklings are in, we know absolutely nothing about this game.

Honestly, this isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

Many of us would have never predicted that Nintendo would unveil a game as big as Smash in a random March Direct, but they did. This small little teaser we got was nothing more than Nintendo letting us know of the game's existence so we'll all be more inclined to watch this year's E3 presentation. Makes more sense for them to tease the game and wait until E3 before dumping out a lot of info. Otherwise, E3 would pretty much be, "Surprise! Smash Switch exists! Expect tons of exciting info and a huge tournament that you had absolutely no time to mentally prepare yourself for!".

 

[Bebe Mignon]

*attempts to steer the topic in a different direction*

What stages are you hoping to see in Smash Switch?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

the big, gigantic different between those titles and this one is that there is ****ing gameplay footage of each of those games in their trailers. again, outside of the ****ing tourney and the fact that inklings are in, we know absolutely nothing about this game.

I’m not disagreeing with you because I can definitely still see it being a port. However, I don’t think the lack of information necessarily confirms that it is a port. In my opinion the game is going to be a Splatoon 2 deal. Reused assets, but enough new stuff that it can be called a sequel on its own merit.

 

[Zerp]

I've more or less come to expect that the Melee Players are going to be dragging CRTs around with them till the end of time.

You're probably right, even if they port Melee over to the Switch, CRTs will still be optimal for the game because they have less display lag than modern displays by nature and I don't think it's possible to play Switch games on CRT outside of using third party adapters HDMI to AV adapters which may or may not create more lag, but either way, whether it's on Gamecube or Switch, I think it'll still be played on CRT lol.

*attempts to steer the topic in a different direction*

What stages are you hoping to see in Smash Switch?

There's a lot but the stage I want to see the most would have to be...

Spoiler: BIG Kirby Star Allies spoiler

The inside of Void Termina's shell, not only would it fit the bill for the long over-due modern Kirby stage, it could represent the nightmarish side of the franchise.

 

[Megadoomer]

*attempts to steer the topic in a different direction*

What stages are you hoping to see in Smash Switch?

Even if we don't get a character from the Wonderful 101, I'd like to see a stage based on it, just to see the sort of crazy set-pieces that they'd use from that game.

Also, a proper Bowser's Castle stage. It's kind of sad that, across five different games, the closest that we've gotten is a single part of a Paper Mario stage on the 3DS version.

 

[Superyoshiom]

*attempts to steer the topic in a different direction*

What stages are you hoping to see in Smash Switch?

Your profile picture and sig remind me that I really really want a Xenoblade Chronicles X stage. While I prefer the character designs of 2, I love X's environments. Even the grassy area looks a lot different that Gaur Plains and is beautiful.

My ideal scenario is an X stage with Sawano's dope tracks and a Xenoblade 2 stage with Shimomura's tracks. Really I'll take anything so long as I get music from both games.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

Honestly, this isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

Many of us would have never predicted that Nintendo would unveil a game as big as Smash in a random March Direct, but they did. This small little teaser we got was nothing more than Nintendo letting us know of the game's existence so we'll all be more inclined to watch this year's E3 presentation. Makes more sense for them to tease the game and wait until E3 before dumping out a lot of info. Otherwise, E3 would pretty much be, "Surprise! Smash Switch exists! Expect tons of exciting info that you had absolutely no time to mentally prepare yourself for!".

they didn't need to make a teaser for smash at e3. everyone and their ****ing mother was speculating on when, not if, smash was gonna be announced at e3. everyone was gonna watch e3 to see if there was smash news. now we know smash exists, but the formula hasn't really changed. we knew a smash was going to exist at some point, the switch is selling like fire and everyone and their mother wants a piece of it. this trailer does sweet ****-all.

that's literally it, that's all we know. that smash exists, and is coming out in eight months at the longest. and that there's gonna be a tournament at e3. which infers it's really ****ing close to playable and finished. which begs the question of why there's such a silence otherwise. folks are going on about hype and ****, but that **** can't exist in a ****ing vacuum, you need to feed into it. i'm not saying show every single ****ing newcomer, but can we at least see mario?

i mean, let's go down the list again:

- very short time between announcement and deployment (a scant 9 months)
- no leaks from a director who's known to have multiple, full-on leaks. this suggests a smaller, more tight-knit team
- lack of any new gameplay footage. never trust a cg trailer for ****
- no mention of the game aside from a single news update about the upcoming tournament at e3 on any social media
- a ****ing tournament getting ready to deploy on i think the first ****ing day of e3.

again, this screams port-job, which isn't a bad ****ing thing, but a lot of folk getting mega-hype for a new game are gonna be super-salty when it hits. i'll be stoked for megaman's return, but can we please ****ing bring back , , and already?!

 

[Fenriraga]

they didn't need to make a teaser for smash at e3. everyone and their ****ing mother was speculating on when, not if, smash was gonna be announced at e3. everyone was gonna watch e3 to see if there was smash news. now we know smash exists, but the formula hasn't really changed. we knew a smash was going to exist at some point, the switch is selling like fire and everyone and their mother wants a piece of it. this trailer does sweet ****-all.

that's literally it, that's all we know. that smash exists, and is coming out in eight months at the longest. and that there's gonna be a tournament at e3. which infers it's really ****ing close to playable and finished. which begs the question of why there's such a silence otherwise. folks are going on about hype and ****, but that **** can't exist in a ****ing vacuum, you need to feed into it. i'm not saying show every single ****ing newcomer, but can we at least see mario?

i mean, let's go down the list again:

- very short time between announcement and deployment (a scant 9 months)
- no leaks from a director who's known to have multiple, full-on leaks. this suggests a smaller, more tight-knit team
- lack of any new gameplay footage. never trust a cg trailer for ****
- no mention of the game aside from a single news update about the upcoming tournament at e3 on any social media
- a ****ing tournament getting ready to deploy on i think the first ****ing day of e3.

again, this screams port-job, which isn't a bad ****ing thing, but a lot of folk getting mega-hype for a new game are gonna be super-salty when it hits. i'll be stoked for megaman's return, but can we please ****ing bring back , , and already?!

I don't think the new-game believers are the ones being salty in this particular instance...

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm in agreement that we should get a Bowser's Castle stage, a proper one at that. Also another Metroid stage that isn't rising lava or acid, as much as I genuinely like them, especially the Brawl Norfair. Personally I think a Prime 2 stage would be cool if it switched between light and dark. While a less gimmicky one could be Phendrana Drifts or Brinstar.

Gangplank Galleon would be my DK pick, or a mine cart stage.

F-Zero has a lot of options, I think either the Casino tracks from GX or GX's version of Fire Field would be cool choices.

For third parties, bring the Pac-Maze to console. And for Mega Man, the Robot Museum would pretty cool, there's the MM&B version that would offer the hazards. Not to mention a plethora of Robot Master stages to take inspiration from. Of course, if its like Green Hill on 3DS, multiple stages for third parties would be great. Or at least for Mega Man, have both the Daytime and Nighttime Wily Castles, maybe changing what hazards appear and which Wily Castle is in the BG(they change each game).

If we get another Street Fighter stage, the NYC subway from 3rd Strike would be my choice, assuming all the SF2 music would stay at Suzaku Castle. Then we could have the greatness of SF3's music in the Subway stage.

 

[Superyoshiom]

they didn't need to make a teaser for smash at e3. everyone and their ****ing mother was speculating on when, not if, smash was gonna be announced at e3. everyone was gonna watch e3 to see if there was smash news. now we know smash exists, but the formula hasn't really changed. we knew a smash was going to exist at some point, the switch is selling like fire and everyone and their mother wants a piece of it. this trailer does sweet ****-all.

that's literally it, that's all we know. that smash exists, and is coming out in eight months at the longest. and that there's gonna be a tournament at e3. which infers it's really ****ing close to playable and finished. which begs the question of why there's such a silence otherwise. folks are going on about hype and ****, but that **** can't exist in a ****ing vacuum, you need to feed into it. i'm not saying show every single ****ing newcomer, but can we at least see mario?

i mean, let's go down the list again:

- very short time between announcement and deployment (a scant 9 months)
- no leaks from a director who's known to have multiple, full-on leaks. this suggests a smaller, more tight-knit team
- lack of any new gameplay footage. never trust a cg trailer for ****
- no mention of the game aside from a single news update about the upcoming tournament at e3 on any social media
- a ****ing tournament getting ready to deploy on i think the first ****ing day of e3.

again, this screams port-job, which isn't a bad ****ing thing, but a lot of folk getting mega-hype for a new game are gonna be super-salty when it hits. i'll be stoked for megaman's return, but can we please ****ing bring back , , and already?!

Why do you want to bring back Pichu and Young Link? Not every character has to return, especially since Pichu was a joke character and unless we get a Majora's Mask-inspired Young Link, there's no reason to have two Link clones.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

Why do you want to bring back Pichu and Young Link? Not every character has to return, especially since Pichu was a joke character and unless we get a Majora's Mask-inspired Young Link, there's no reason to have two Link clones.

might as well bring back the last 3 charas left out. 's gonna pichu, and we already have a double-clone of a character (, ) so why not ? be slap-easy to do

 

[Antimatter042]

the big, gigantic different between those titles and this one is that there is ****ing gameplay footage of each of those games in their trailers. again, outside of the ****ing tourney and the fact that inklings are in, we know absolutely nothing about this game.

All I can say to this is that you would really hate the Pokémon hype cycle, because the short hype cycle has existed for that series since time immemorial, and the period of silence without any idea on what the game is has defined the last 3 installments. Not to mention, as most other people have said, the majority of the 2017-18 Switch games. Actually the only ones that weren't given periods of silence about what they were were Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Tropical Freeze, Hyrule and Pokkén Tournament DX: the ports of Nintendo's Switch lineup, so your original point about Smash's silence undermines your own argument, as Nintendo has been very transparent about what's a port.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

they didn't need to make a teaser for smash at e3. everyone and their ****ing mother was speculating on when, not if, smash was gonna be announced at e3. everyone was gonna watch e3 to see if there was smash news. now we know smash exists, but the formula hasn't really changed. we knew a smash was going to exist at some point, the switch is selling like fire and everyone and their mother wants a piece of it. this trailer does sweet ****-all.

that's literally it, that's all we know. that smash exists, and is coming out in eight months at the longest. and that there's gonna be a tournament at e3. which infers it's really ****ing close to playable and finished. which begs the question of why there's such a silence otherwise. folks are going on about hype and ****, but that **** can't exist in a ****ing vacuum, you need to feed into it. i'm not saying show every single ****ing newcomer, but can we at least see mario?

i mean, let's go down the list again:

- very short time between announcement and deployment (a scant 9 months)
- no leaks from a director who's known to have multiple, full-on leaks. this suggests a smaller, more tight-knit team
- lack of any new gameplay footage. never trust a cg trailer for ****
- no mention of the game aside from a single news update about the upcoming tournament at e3 on any social media
- a ****ing tournament getting ready to deploy on i think the first ****ing day of e3.

again, this screams port-job, which isn't a bad ****ing thing, but a lot of folk getting mega-hype for a new game are gonna be super-salty when it hits. i'll be stoked for megaman's return, but can we please ****ing bring back , , and already?!

Not trying to make this “CHRISTIAN MOMS AGAINST SMASH BROS” but why are you cursing so much? It doesn’t make your point anymore valid. We can’t even see the words. It’s just making me visualize a guy screaming at message board on his computer. Calm down. It’s video game speculation.

As for the actual argument, you’re literally using a lack of knowledge as evidence. On the other hand, we have evidence that this is a full Smash game. This is Sakurai’s “new project” that he’s been saying working on since at least mid-2016. Then until now is about the development cycle of a Smash game.

Nintendo just doesn’t like confirming games and making you wait over a year to play them. They only times in recent history they did this was with Breath of the Wild (which was mainly because of multiple delays, and was supposed to come out AT MOST a year and a half after its first trailer), Metroid Prime 4 (presumably to show Metroid fans that they are being listened to and aren’t just being given a 3DS remake to shut them up), and Pokémon Switch (which I’m sure was crammed in last minute to reassure everyone who lost their minds when USUM was announced for the 3DS, and though Pokemon would never come to Switch).

EDIT: Also if it’s a port it’s definitley called “Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch” like the other two. But they went out of their way to call it “Title Pending” for now. It wouldn’t be “Title Pending” if it’s just going to be “for Switch” or the last game with “Deluxe” or “DX”.