Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Jak_spoon]

You guys are really pessimistic. There is almost no reason for this game to be a Deluxe Port. It's had a full development cycle, they didn't declare it a port from the start, 2 of the 3 new things we've seen are new (BotW Link, Inklings), the logo is new, and more things I can't think of right now because it's 4:15am and I'm tired.

Yea man, I honestly wish I could get out of this funk too. Honestly I have lost all faith in Sakurai. He has made too many unsaid rules that are hurting what this game could be. Like how he chooses characters and what he thinks the game should be are destroying the game.

I realize now no one is going to get what I’m saying so I guess I’ll elaborate. Like in smash 4 the prediction rosters were fun and while I didn’t agree with everyone their rosters still looked like they would be fun to play. Now not so much. I mean I think there are really cool characters out there that would be fun. Like if this game had wierd picks like Isaac Saki Dillion Chibi robo I think I would be really excited. But like none of these guys will ever happen. Instead we’re going to get another fe Pokémon Mario character when all that’s left sort of sucks. I really want a game that appreciates character not promotional peices. Like wii fit trainer? Was that really needed. I know why she got in but that’s my problem. I want solid characters even if they couldn’t sell well over promotional peices and monitary land marks.

And then game play wise I don’t think he understands what drives people wild about the game. Like I love melee I’m not the best and easily can be called a casual. But it was those intense moments playing with friends and getting better week after week that was fun. I think he can’t see it as anything more than this super competitive elitist crap. I want that melee feeling back. Like I’m struggling and getting better. Not just everything is a one hit item in fun mode and all one v ones are laggy and boring.

I’m probably not making sense it’s late and smash has got me bumbed.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Hold on, why are people giving Zeraora the time of the day? It was only announced yesterday, and suggesting Pokémon needs Smash to advertise it when it consistently outsells Smash seems kind of absurd to me.

I believe we will see another Pokémon but Zeraora seems to be an out there choice informed by nothing other than the fact it's the most recent Pokémon announced, which seems a silly reason when there are plenty of more popular and currently relevant Pokemon. On a personal level I'd also be more interested in seeing a new type rather than one that's already covered pretty well by the mascot of the entire series.

I mean it's quite obvious it wasn't just created yesterday. It's still a gen 7 Pokemon, so it probably actually existed behind the scenes for a long time now. Heck it had existed long enough to have full development and implementation into USUM by the time it released. Zeraora is not new to them. As I pointed out earlier, Pokemon Company/Gamefreak, as a large business, have probably had their schedule for reveals and events set up for a long time. It's very possible that they suggested adding it as a playable character for Smash Bros whenever Sakurai was deciding the roster, and its reveal would line up closely with Smash. Advertising wouldn't be the only reason it's in anyway. It is an interesting design with plenty of potential.
In regards to the typing issue, Sakurai has never said that a Pokemon hasn't made it into the game because it would share its type with another Pokemon. That's an arbitrary rule Smash speculators have put in place because it hasn't happened before, barring Pichu who doesn't count.
I have stated many times that I am not holding my breath for Zeraora to be playable. But to write it off as impossible is just silly. Especially in this thread where people will argue tooth-and-nail about a gen 8 Pokemon and FE16 character being on the roster.

And then game play wise I don’t think he understands what drives people wild about the game. Like I love melee I’m not the best and easily can be called a casual. But it was those intense moments playing with friends and getting better week after week that was fun. I think he can’t see it as anything more than this super competitive elitist crap. I want that melee feeling back. Like I’m struggling and getting better. Not just everything is a one hit item in fun mode and all one v ones are laggy and boring.

I’m probably not making sense it’s late and smash has got me bumbed.

Pretty sure he sees Melee as buggy and poorly programmed (because, let's face it, it is). Basically all of the high-level Melee tech was made on accident. Smash 4 was a massive step in the right direction from Brawl, and with Nintendo pushing eSports more, I could easily see this game being more competitive than Smash 4. Obviously I haven't seen gameplay, so I can't say for certain. But Nintendo and Smash's recent trends are pointing in a good direction.
Hoping for Melee HD is just going to leave you disappointed. They may implement some competitive ideas, but we're very likely never going to see L-cancelling or Wave Dashing again in a Smash game.

 

[zauberdragon]

Depending how close Pokemon switch is off completion, I think a gen 8 newcomer is pretty likely.

The thing with Pokémon, and to an extent fire emblem, is there’s just so many characters to pick from and both have had large representation in the most recent smash titles. If we have a 65< roster I wouldn’t be surprised if the game ends up with 8+ playable Pokémon

 

[Superyoshiom]

If they pulled a Lucario with Zeroara and it was a Pokemon to promote Gen 8 I could easily see it being in Smash. Unfortunately mythical Pokemon that are the last ones to be added usually aren't in the game (see Genesect).

 

[Jak_spoon]

I mean it's quite obvious it wasn't just created yesterday. It's still a gen 7 Pokemon, so it probably actually existed behind the scenes for a long time now. Heck it had existed long enough to have full development and implementation into USUM by the time it released. Zeraora is not new to them. As I pointed out earlier, Pokemon Company/Gamefreak, as a large business, have probably had their schedule for reveals and events set up for a long time. It's very possible that they suggested adding it as a playable character for Smash Bros whenever Sakurai was deciding the roster, and its reveal would line up closely with Smash. Advertising wouldn't be the only reason it's in anyway. It is an interesting design with plenty of potential.
In regards to the typing issue, Sakurai has never said that a Pokemon hasn't made it into the game because it would share its type with another Pokemon. That's an arbitrary rule Smash speculators have put in place because it hasn't happened before, barring Pichu who doesn't count.
I have stated many times that I am not holding my breath for Zeraora to be playable. But to write it off as impossible is just silly. Especially in this thread where people will argue tooth-and-nail about a gen 8 Pokemon and FE16 character being on the roster.


Pretty sure he sees Melee as buggy and poorly programmed (because, let's face it, it is). Basically all of the high-level Melee tech was made on accident. Smash 4 was a massive step in the right direction from Brawl, and with Nintendo pushing eSports more, I could easily see this game being more competitive than Smash 4. Obviously I haven't seen gameplay, so I can't say for certain. But Nintendo and Smash's recent trends are pointing in a good direction.
Hoping for Melee HD is just going to leave you disappointed. They may implement some competitive ideas, but we're very likely never going to see L-cancelling or Wave Dashing again in a Smash game.

Oh I’m not that kind nd of melee fan. I don’t play it at all anymore. And I never got into the advanced stuff. Like I said I’m casual. But melee has this lighting in a bottle feeling that I haven’t felt in other smash games. One of the biggest reasons is because I think sakurai separates the hard core from the casuals too much. Because that’s how he thinks of his players. Really binary like. I think he needs to be able to see them in more shades of grey and rank them so people of equal level can play have fun and get better naturally.

 

[DJ3DS]

I mean it's quite obvious it wasn't just created yesterday. It's still a gen 7 Pokemon, so it probably actually existed behind the scenes for a long time now. Heck it had existed long enough to have full development and implementation into USUM by the time it released. Zeraora is not new to them. As I pointed out earlier, Pokemon Company/Gamefreak, as a large business, have probably had their schedule for reveals and events set up for a long time. It's very possible that they suggested adding it as a playable character for Smash Bros whenever Sakurai was deciding the roster, and its reveal would line up closely with Smash. Advertising wouldn't be the only reason it's in anyway. It is an interesting design with plenty of potential.
In regards to the typing issue, Sakurai has never said that a Pokemon hasn't made it into the game because it would share its type with another Pokemon. That's an arbitrary rule Smash speculators have put in place because it hasn't happened before, barring Pichu who doesn't count.
I have stated many times that I am not holding my breath for Zeraora to be playable. But to write it off as impossible is just silly. Especially in this thread where people will argue tooth-and-nail about a gen 8 Pokemon and FE16 character being on the roster.

I know it wasn't created yesterday - heaven's above its been in bulbapedia for at least a month. That said this argument applies to literally every Pokémon that's had a recurring role in anything ever and the vast majority have not made it into smash.

About the typing - I would never dream of saying another electric type is not possible (I agree the fanmade rules are stupid), I just find it less interesting.

And I won't argue for a Gen 8 newcomer either. I expect Lycanroc or Mimikyu the most.

 

[Cosmic77]

While it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that we get Zeroara, I'd really like to get a Pokemon that was already popular prior to Sakurai's decision to add it. Don't get me wrong, Zeroara could easily end up being popular, especially if she (or is it "he"? What pronoun besides "it" should I use for this Pokemon?) gets in Smash, but the ultimate decision would be based off of relevancy and promotion, not popularity among fans.

There are hundreds of different Pokemon that could be represented in Smash, but we usually only get one or two newcomers in each game. I'd prefer Sakurai to give those few slots to popular, established Pokemon over those who are chosen before fans even have a chance to decide if they like actually like the Pokemon or not. Yeah, it's probably a little silly for me to feel this way, but it just shows me that Sakurai was truly paying attention when he chose the Pokemon rep. Makes me feel like we have a little bit more of a say in who gets added.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Zeroara is a Gen 7 Pokemon but it was made half way through it. I'm not sure where that falls on the dev cycle.

Plus this whole thing reminds me of Meloetta's short lived Smash 4 hype in the build-up.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

Here's something that I don't think has been talked about recently. How would people like the menus in the this game to look? I know it has been pretty much universally agreed that Sm4sh had awful menus and nothing made any sense. Would you like it to return to something simpler and cleaner like Melee?

Personally I think that something like Melee with some of the colour and character of Sm4sh would be great. Especially if we get the ability to mess with the angle of the menu with the second control stick again.

I like the general visuals of the menus, but the placement of some modes are really dumb.

 

[Lyndis_]

I would honestly just like to see an updated version of Brawl's menus, possibly with some menus or modes moved closer for quicker access.

I had absolutely no issues with Brawl's menus. Melee's are really boring if you ask me.

Chances are, whatever it is, it's probably going to continue to look something like this.

 

[KingBroly]

Smash U/3DS menus were abysmal. So much useless fluff and so many things to go through in order to get to important things

 

[Koopaul]

There were tons of modes and he didn't know how to organize them all.

Just moving Vault and Options from Game & More to the Main Menu would have fixed a ton of things. But there's a lot of other problems too.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

In regards to the gameplay discussion, I think the absolute worst thing they could do is attempting to make a Melee 2.0. It's my own favorite game in the series too, but if they try and recapture what made it good they're openly competing against a game that has an incredibly strong and established community and meta behind it, even if the game were to be better than Melee in every single way it would never be accepted as such, because it wouldn't have the same memories, personalities and nuances attached to it.

I hope the game will catter more to the competitive fanbase, but it has to achieve that in different ways than l-cancelling, wavedashing and other Melee techs, it still has to try and be its own game.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

They should remove the upper blast KO while we are beating on Smash 4 Wii U.
It become a coin flip when two players DBZ upwards, one getting a blast KO, the other a screen KO.
Plus, it makes Puff Rest easier to punish.
I like 100% tech too, even if you are touching the walls.

 

[Wyoming]

The menu design was good in 64, Melee, and Brawl. Everything was crisp, well placed. Nicely done.

Smash 4 was abysmal. I'm not sure what they were trying to do there. Games & More had important modes that should have been on the first page, while some things on the first page should be within Games & More.

I also don't see why a separate menu had to be made for 2P modes. Can't the game just allow a input from a 2nd controller to act the same way?

I did like the fonts and designs of the icons and the models in the background, but the interface was very questionable.

edit: oh yeah and the lack of touch screen on the gamepad was....huh? Everything looks made to be pressed on! Even the name tags still used that calculator touchpad which I really don't get.

 

[SuperMasterHand]

I would honestly just like to see an updated version of Brawl's menus, possible with some things moved closer for quicker access.

I had absolutely no issues with Brawl's menus. Melee's are really boring if you ask me.

Chances are, whatever it is, it's probably going to continue to look something like this.

It will probably be like this yes !
But I have the feeling we would have a more minimalist and "flat" design for Smash 5

We can tell by the new logo but also how the last Nintendo games on switch (Odyssee & Botw) got their menu and HUD very minimalist

I would personnaly like it if Smash 5 menus and HUD are more simple vectored icons with less color variations (could still be colored thought)
It will also help feels like a brand new game even more

 

[Diddy Kong]

Smash 4 had great gameplay, and was quite competitive in it's own way. A definate step up from Brawl if nothing else, so that shoud already be celebrated. The only thing I think I would improve on is more hitstun on certain moves so that true combos can once again excist.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

New Sakurai interview... I think

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018...ion-process-was-stressful-almost-brink-death/

 

[SoccerStar9001]

New Sakurai interview... I think

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018...ion-process-was-stressful-almost-brink-death/

Old interview new article. Like the title said, Massive Hero Soccer Guy made the comment during Smash 4.

 

[Danpal65]

New Sakurai interview... I think

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018...ion-process-was-stressful-almost-brink-death/

Old or new it constantly amazes me how much of his heart and soul Sakurai pours into Super Smash Bros. People always say that he hates the competitive community and that he wants to pander to the party/casual crowd, but he just wants to share is love and compassion for all these characters with everyone.

You gotta love the guy, and if not at least respect him.

 

[DraginHikari]

no news. no newcomers aside from inks. tournament already. less than a year from go time

this smells like a port the more i think on it. maybe port-plus, but i think we be gettin' smash 4 switch.

I think the problem is people around here are assuming by the default what the marketing for a Smash Game should be based on the previous two titles have been handled.

It could just be that Nintendo is going a different direction with the marketing and not seeing any reason to drag the whole thing out for a year and a half with daily updates which do nothing more then demoralize when Sakurai cannot produce interesting things for everyone everyday. It could be possible they're going for a more traditional game marketing this time around and only bothering providing information when they have something they actually want to shown.

 

[Deleted member]

Among all the possible Square Enix characters discussed here, I've remarked these ones haven't been mentioned much:

 

[Wyoming]

Could be thar Sakurai and his staff simply do not want to do daily updates anymore. They did it not so long ago the energy probably is not there.

Or they are waiting until after E3 to do it.

I imagine the trailers cost a lot of money to make, thus they scrapped that idea entirely. There are less Directs after all it would be hard to place them right within an ideal time span.

The leaks might have had an effect - the development for the game was so tight-lipped and sealed this time around and to do that they are way less open to revealing content.

Just spitballin though

 

[DraginHikari]

Among all the possible Square Enix characters discussed here, I've remarked these ones haven't been mentioned much:

Though a classic character in his own right. Usually third party character choices are usually either easily recognizable or faces of their respective companies. Though I can think of ways he would play well I'm not sure he'd be recognizable enough compared to other sword characters from SquareEnix library which have more direct market value especially when the recent remake was met with mixed reception.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

Could be thar Sakurai and his staff simply do not want to do daily updates anymore. They did it not so long ago the energy probably is not there.

Or they are waiting until after E3 to do it.

I imagine the trailers cost a lot of money to make, thus they scrapped that idea entirely. There are less Directs after all it would be hard to place them right within an ideal time span.

The leaks might have had an effect - the development for the game was so tight-lipped and sealed this time around and to do that they are way less open to revealing content.

Just spitballin though

Maybe they are setting up for a massive direct purely for Smash Switch around May. Showing off over 9000 characters at once. (/s for 9001 part)

Pretty much impossible, but so was Smash reveal right?

 

[Starcutter]

If we are talking Square, I've been playing "the world ends with you" and Neku would be cool.

Plus that game is coming out on switch! (although honestly idk how they are going to do that with a single screen lmao)

As for trailers, I hope we get a gameplay trailer in a Nintendo direct that just confirms a bunch of veterans and then get a proper trailer at E3 with a release date. And then that's it, maybe another big one right before the game comes out but imagine us not knowing the newcomers and then unlocking them.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

One thing I think is worth mentioning regarding the inevitable Pokémon newcomer is that Pokémon Switch is being developed by the Sun and Moon team. GameFreak said a while ago that they have two teams going on and off developing games. They had a younger team making Ultra Sun and Moon, while a more experienced team of older members made Sun and Moon and are making Pokémon Switch.

That means that development on Pokémon Switch started, at the earliest, in November 2016. This is around the time people believed Sakurai finalized the first draft of the roster.

Yes, Sakurai got concept art for Greninja before XY came out, but the roster for that game was chosen in Spring 2012, only about 6 months before XY released. The roster for Smash 5 was probably chosen when Pokémon Switch was MAYBE just starting development

Hell, development on Pokémon Switch may have started EVEN LATER, because around that time GameFreak said they weren’t interested in the Switch, and only turned that around after it came out and proved to be successful.

Unless Sakurai somehow knew two years in advance that Gen 8 would maybe come out around the time of Smash 5, and began work on a newcomer representing the game once Smash 5 was already pretty deep into development, I think we’re just going to get an Alolan newcomer.

I do think that a Gen 8 newcomer is VERY likely for DLC however. In fact, it’s the only character I’d bet on for DLC as of now, having little to no knowledge on the game.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

I think the problem is people around here are assuming by the default what the marketing for a Smash Game should be based on the previous two titles have been handled.

It could just be that Nintendo is going a different direction with the marketing and not seeing any reason to drag the whole thing out for a year and a half with daily updates which do nothing more then demoralize when Sakurai cannot produce interesting things for everyone everyday. It could be possible they're going for a more traditional game marketing this time around and only bothering providing information when they have something they actually want to shown.

again tho you have the problem of everyone being super-confused as to what the **** the game actually IS. it's the wii -> wii u problem again, people don't know if it's just an expansion to the ****ing thing or if it's actually an all-new thing standing on its own. i'm not sayin to give the whole game away, but it would be nice to see screens so we can tell if this is 4.5 or 5 proper.

 

[DraginHikari]

again tho you have the problem of everyone being super-confused as to what the **** the game actually IS. it's the wii -> wii u problem again, people don't know if it's just an expansion to the ****ing thing or if it's actually an all-new thing standing on its own. i'm not sayin to give the whole game away, but it would be nice to see screens so we can tell if this is 4.5 or 5 proper.

We are not owned anything of that sort. We'll just have to wait and see. The Smash Community can be far too impatient for it's own good.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

We are not owned anything of that sort. We'll just have to wait and see. The Smash Community can be far too impatient for it's own good.

this is definitely some shady **** tho. like, really ****ing shady. the game announcement comes out of the blue, and despite releasing in, at most, 8 months, they don't have **** to show aside from the inkling cg trailer (and never trust a cg trailer boys and girls, e3 shoulda taught you that)? something feels super-off here, and i can't be the only one. i know 4 was some weird marketing ploy with potd and **** but, i mean, total radio silence over a whole month for a project that must be nearing completion dev-wise? at least complete enough to hold a ****ing TOURNAMENT?

also, no leaks, even though the last TWO games were as leaky as ****ing sponges? either the ndas for playtesters this time around are ****ing IRONCLAD, or sakurai's gone back to doing the balancing and testing himself. the man's health can't hold up doing testing on 60+ charas, so i'm thinking port based on that alone.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Or maybe they don't want to leak this time around. They don't have to do so as is. Ironclad isn't the only reason. They can actually lose their job by leaking, which is a far bigger reason to avoid it.

It's also not shady at all to wait. They have e3 coming up. It's a quick announcement for hype. Now they can present something even bigger soon enough, and with a bigger trailer full of gameplay to boot. All this is is good hype to get people talking.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

Or maybe they don't want to leak this time around. They don't have to do so as is. Ironclad isn't the only reason. They can actually lose their job by leaking, which is a far bigger reason to avoid it.

It's also not shady at all to wait. They have e3 coming up. It's a quick announcement for hype. Now they can present something even bigger soon enough, and with a bigger trailer full of gameplay to boot. All this is is good hype to get people talking.

OR they're making the same mistakes they did with the wii u and just assuming people understand **** about the game. this **** happened all the time, people thought the wii u was an expansion gamepad for the wii, people thought mewtwo was in the clouds, people thought ridley's shadow meant playable. people assume right now we're looking at a brand-new game.

all we ****ing have is a title and a trailer. even the ****ing metroid prime 4 devs clarified some **** about the game after its announcement. i've ****ing looked on the man's twitter and ninty's twitter and there is ****ing NOTHING outside of reminding folk about the e3 tourney. again, this total ****ing silence is super-weird for what's supposed to be a huge thing for ninty.

also, it's really not up to the dev team whether a leak happens or not homes. that's why it's called a 'leak' and not a 'news drip'.

 

[Lyndis_]

Wasn't the ESRB leak the only real leak?

...and the person that did it got into serious legal trouble AAIK.

We've also had very many leaks for this game of varying credibility but it's impossible to tell what could potentially be accurate until we get further information.

I don't understand how them not specifying if it's a port or new when all they've given us is that it exists constitutes as shady. Is Pokemon Switch considered shady because we don't know what it is before they've given details? I don't quite understand.

We don't know anything about the game because they don't want us to yet. They seemingly obviously have it planned on how they're going to give out information or they most likely wouldn't have announced it in the first place, especially with an entire animated cinematic like that, which had to be planned months and months in ahead to not only have in the presentation but also to storyboard and animate all of.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Not sure if unpopular opinion or not but am I the only one who doesn't want this Smash, whether it be a new game or a port, to be built from ground zero again?

Sm4sh felt pretty functional to me and I'd be pretty happy for that to be used as the base, complete with porting characters who don't need desperate reworks as is.

 

[DraginHikari]

this is definitely some shady **** tho. like, really ****ing shady. the game announcement comes out of the blue, and despite releasing in, at most, 8 months, they don't have **** to show aside from the inkling cg trailer (and never trust a cg trailer boys and girls, e3 shoulda taught you that)? something feels super-off here, and i can't be the only one. i know 4 was some weird marketing ploy with potd and **** but, i mean, total radio silence over a whole month for a project that must be nearing completion dev-wise? at least complete enough to hold a ****ing TOURNAMENT?

also, no leaks, even though the last TWO games were as leaky as ****ing sponges? either the ndas for playtesters this time around are ****ing IRONCLAD, or sakurai's gone back to doing the balancing and testing himself. the man's health can't hold up doing testing on 60+ charas, so i'm thinking port based on that alone.

Your delving extremely close to conspiracy theory. You using lack of evidence as evidence of something.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

Wasn't the ESRB leak the only real leak?

...and the person that did it got into serious legal trouble AAIK.

We've also had very many leaks for this game of varying credibility and it's impossible to tell what could potentially be accurate until we get further information.

I don't understand how them not specifying if it's a port or new when all they've given us is that it exists constitutes as shady. Is Pokemon Switch considered shady because we don't know what it is before they've given details? I don't quite understand.

We don't know anything about the game because they don't want us to yet. They've obviously got it planned on how they're going to give out information.

when i say shady, i'm meaning it's ****ing weird, not that they're being malicious. this blackout doesn't make sense if you're so far through development and just getting bombarded with q's about the game. hell, they could just show us mario and they'd answer a ton of questions.

nintendo is ****ing known to pull this ****. if they were going to radio blackout like this, why not a bit closer to e3 so the wait wasn't as long? not like the extra 2 months of silence is gonna help folks lab up for the tourney after all. we don't even know what the game ****ing looks like. they gonna pull some 'looking in the briefcase' **** from pulp fiction? XD

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Wasn't the ESRB leak the only real leak?

...and the person that did it got into serious legal trouble AAIK.

We've also had very many leaks for this game of varying credibility and it's impossible to tell what could potentially be accurate until we get further information.

I don't understand how them not specifying if it's a port or new when all they've given us is that it exists constitutes as shady. Is Pokemon Switch considered shady because we don't know what it is before they've given details? I don't quite understand.

We don't know anything about the game because they don't want us to yet. They've obviously got it planned on how they're going to give out information.

There was this weird group of texts leaks that described the ESRB leak about a month before it happened. It was weird and complicated, and multiple people were involved.

 

[Bebe Mignon]

when i say shady, i'm meaning it's ****ing weird, not that they're being malicious. this blackout doesn't make sense if you're so far through development and just getting bombarded with q's about the game. hell, they could just show us mario and they'd answer a ton of questions.

nintendo is ****ing known to pull this ****. if they were going to radio blackout like this, why not a bit closer to e3 so the wait wasn't as long? not like the extra 2 months of silence is gonna help folks lab up for the tourney after all. we don't even know what the game ****ing looks like. they gonna pull some 'looking in the briefcase' **** from pulp fiction? XD

Eh...? They're doing the same thing they did for Super Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, etc.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Wasn't the ESRB leak the only real leak?

...and the person that did it got into serious legal trouble AAIK.

We've also had very many leaks for this game of varying credibility and it's impossible to tell what could potentially be accurate until we get further information.

I don't understand how them not specifying if it's a port or new when all they've given us is that it exists constitutes as shady. Is Pokemon Switch considered shady because we don't know what it is before they've given details? I don't quite understand.

We don't know anything about the game because they don't want us to yet. They seemingly obviously got it planned on how they're going to give out information or they most likely wouldn't have announced it in the first place, especially with an entire animated cinematic like that. Which had to be planned months and months in ahead.

ESRB was the only 100% true one for Smash 4.

The Gematsu leak had too many correct to be a complete guess but it remains unconfirmed.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

Eh...? They're doing the same thing they did for Super Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, etc.

the diff in ALL of those cases is we knew what the game looked like. they showed us gameplay and assets. we knew what ****ing rex looked like (even if we didn't know his name, but maybe we did, who tf knows, i don't really care about xenoblade), we knew about link's blue shirt, we knew about mario's weird hat. we saw the game in ACTION.

here, all we know is 'inklings, mario, and botw link are in'. it's the equivalent of saying 'metroid prime 4: now under development'. you've got EIGHT MONTHS left, surely you've got a ****ing screenshot to share!