Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

**** the FF7 Remake.

WHEN IS THE FF6 REMAKE?

Its coming for the Playstation 13 on February 30th, 2420. Mark your calendar

The scariest part, is that it's happening almost 20 years after Pikachu kicked butt in the original Smash game...
It's like everything's just lining up for the 20th anniversary of Smash

Btw do you guys think the 20th anniversary of Smash will be celebrated by Nintendo or Sakurai in some way next year, especially since Ultimate's gonna be fine and alive with DLC?

I'm guessing a DLC character announcement on the exact date of Smash's 20th anniversary which would be the 21st January (the Japanese release of the first game.)

4chan is really that bad?!

You don't wanna know, trust me.

 

[Luigifan18]

oh boy, have fun seeing how far that rabbit hole goes.
Complete anonymity is one hell of a drug.

It's less of a drug and more of a shield...

 

[Noipoi]

The fact that so many people genuinely thought Decidueye would get in over Incineroar should tell us that choosing the most important/most promoted starter isn't always black and white.

I'm not trying to be a sore winner and crap on Decidueye fans, but wow, the tables really turned.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Imagine a Smash Bros collection for Switch with every title.

I wish, but I'm not too sure about that... Nintendo isn't that smart

What month did Smash 64 come out? I wonder if they'll do something on the month of the anniversary next year. Of course, the only thing I can think of is releasing one of the dlc sets

It came out on January 21st, 1999

January would be a bit too early for DLC, especially if Piranha Plant isn't even supposed to be coming out until February...
that being said, I can see a little Smash DLC direct happening with more info on the rumored Game Awards character, Piranha Plant, and maybe one more character (Steve perhaps?...)

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: I bought the Spyro pop today.

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine a Smash Bros collection for Switch with every title.

If it doesn't include Flash 1, Flash 2, Nuke Bros, and Crusade, what's even the point?

 

[KMDP]

If it doesn't include Flash 1, Flash 2, Nuke Bros, and Crusade, what's even the point?

What about Project M and Brawl-?

 

[praline]

If it doesn't include Flash 1, Flash 2, Nuke Bros, and Crusade, what's even the point?

I’ve literally never heard if Nuke Bros until today

 

[Deleted member]

If it doesn't include Flash 1, Flash 2, Nuke Bros, and Crusade, what's even the point?

If we get Mr.Incredible back with Flash 1, then i agree with you.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Huh, this thread is nearing 8000 pages. That is one heck of a load of ****posting...

 

[ZoroCarlos]

Oh boy here comes page 8000 of Smash Ultimate hype.
What a long road.

Edit: Oh boy, it's here already.

 

[Deleted member]

Only 1001 left to be over 9000 posts.

And Mr.Incredible is the Goku of Smash Flash 2.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Welcome to page 8000, ladies and gentleman.

 

[kirbsmash]

Wow. Just wow. That's.....really depressing for somebody to go anon without being scared of death being wishes upon them. Nobody really try to change that website?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Gamefaqs is like one level away from the madness that is 4Chan

Having become a semi-frequent member of 4chan, I'd honestly say they're better than GameFAQs. The environment on 4chan is better for ****posting; the anonymity and large lack of censorship allows for people to make actual ****posts. GameFAQs is just middle schoolers and grown men trying to be edgy. At the very least 4chan is teenagers and young adults trying to be edgy and sometimes succeeding, so you get better content.

 

[Untouch]

Can we get to 9999 before launch?
Likely no, but I believe in the thread!

 

[Deleted member]

What about Project M and Brawl-?

Nintendo would never acknowledge Project M. I considered listing it, but that's just too ridiculous. Brawl- has a playable Waluigi, so I dunno... I'd sooner expect Brawl- than PM though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Even then, my point still stands. The reaction videos even say it for themselves. "How is this possible?" "No one thought it was possible!" "He hasn't even appeared on a Nintendo console!" Pretty much across the board people never thought it was possible because of the history behind FFVII.

And while you yourself may not think "history with Nintendo" doesn't matter, it still has a fair amount of factor, to a degree. Snake and the Metal Gear Solid IP might've pushed the boundaries, but you can't deny that he has at the very least SOME connections with Nintendo. Every third party guest has connections with varying degrees, which makes them not feel as outlandish as say Katalina or Master Chief.

Snake was in because it was asked. It had jack-all to do with Nintendo. Sonic didn't get into Melee due to the fact it was too late into development. Nothing hints at Sakurai giving a rat's ass that Sonic had zero Nintendo appearances at that point. People need to let it go. Them being an iconic character was the reason they're getting in, not some Nintendo appearances. Bayonetta's your exception. If Master Chief isn't getting in, it has jack-all to do with some "hasn't had his game on Nintendo/barely was a costume". It's because Microsoft doesn't want their character on an opposing console. Which is fair, since Halo is 1st party and not meant to be on something beyond PC/Xbox.

The fact that so many people genuinely thought Decidueye would get in over Incineroar should tell us that choosing the most important/most promoted starter isn't always black and white.

Like you said, the Champions are all equally important, no disagreement there. That being said, it's extremely generous to say we could unanimously pick out who the most important starter in each Gen is. Would most people agree that Infernape is the most important Gen IV starter? Is Emboar hands-down the most promoted Gen V starter? Yes, you do have some exceptions like Charizard, but that's really the only good example we have. Greninja and Incineroar were chosen long before Sakurai had seen any implication that they'd be pushed over the other two starter Pokemon (and with the latter, there's barely been anything from TPC aside from a few minor roles in the anime that's indicated that he's more important).

Perhaps there's a slight difference between Champions and starter Pokemon, but I don't think it's fair to call it a poor comparison, especially when both Champions and starters all share an identical role in their games. You could add any Champion or starter in Smash, and I guarantee you people would rationalize why that character makes so much more sense than the others.

No. They constantly promote different Pokemon starters over one another. It's a poor comparison and always will be because promotions don't work that way.

The "important starter" is chosen for your playthrough from the beginning. Gamefreak chooses the most important starter to promote. Decidueye barely was promoted. Primarina was barely promoted. Incineroar had tons of promotion. So did Greninja. That wasn't so much the fact they became the main starter for people to know, but Sakurai chose the characters who also were intended to be important in the anime. They were factors. He already is well aware those Pokemon aren't all treated as equally promoted. He actually pays attention to what Pokemon is promoted. There are exceptions, obviously.

The reason Pokemon isn't comparable, is that Sakurai also doesn't choose Zelda characters from concept art only. He actually set aside a slot for Pokemon and Pokemon only. He isn't going to do that for the Zelda series. That means he has no reason to choose a Champion that way either. None can stick out at this point, because all he sees is 4 equally promoted characters. Coincidentally they're all Stickers.

And you're wrong about Incineroar too. He had concept art that literally showed him hanging out with Ash. He already knew the character was going to be promoted. Only Incineroar was shown hanging out with other trainers. The other two were just shown by themselves(and pre-evolutions). It doesn't mean he would've guaranteed chosen Incineroar, but yes, he was well known as being a key promotional factor. Something the other two were not.

It doesn't mean it happens all the time with every Pokemon, but they've been doing it for a while now. And they're going to keep choosing a Pokemon to promote for the anime because it's an advertisement that works. People know the anime. Ash is way more known than Red too. It makes sense.

Greninja actually did not have art that promoted him as clearly being part of the anime. We don't even know if Sakurai knew that already. But he's an exception here. However, being as Sakurai doesn't look at concept art that early on when choosing characters except for Pokemon, it means, again, this is irrelevant to the Champions. Unless new promotional material pushes one as more important, they're just a group that belongs together and is hard promoted that way. It makes way more sense to just treat it that way and not try to make one more special when choosing Smash content. Having them all as Spirits is very logical.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I'm not trying to be a sore winner and crap on Decidueye fans, but wow, the tables really turned.

Incineroar getting in over Decidueye was a legitimate Smash 4 Robin over Chrom situation. It was a surprise to many of us.
And in my case, a pretty pleasant one

 

[Kuon]

Don't think CoD is a good series to bring up to get that point across. lol

You're right, but that was the only thing I could think of

 

[Raxxel]

I'm not trying to be a sore winner and crap on Decidueye fans, but wow, the tables really turned.

It's all good. I wanted Decidueye, but I'm happy for Incineroar's fans. They put up with a lot of crap, so they deserve him.

 

[T3Z3R1]

4chan is really that bad?!

Trust me on this,
I have seen so much **** when lurking on 4chan for long time.

Mainly /co/ and /v/.

 

[Noipoi]

I CLAIM PAGE 8000 IN THE NAME OF MY STUPID DAUGHTER, STAR

 

[Zinith]

Wow. Just wow. That's.....really depressing for somebody to go anon without being scared of death being wishes upon them. Nobody really try to change that website?

Just leave 4chan alone...

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Wow. Just wow. That's.....really depressing for somebody to go anon without being scared of death being wishes upon them. Nobody really try to change that website?

A lot of websites with non-anonymity have the same problem with the death threats issue. Its sad. My best advice is just to avoid getting into toxic discussions as much as you can.

 

[Deleted member]

I CLAIM PAGE 8000 IN THE NAME OF MY STUPID DAUGHTER, STAR!

OK THEN, MY FRIEND.

 

[KMDP]

Page 8000!

I forgot the biggest port!

Crash Team Racing is a port of Crash Bandicoot Warped, which is a port of Crash Bandicoot 2, which is a port of Crash Bandicoot.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'm not trying to be a sore winner and crap on Decidueye fans, but wow, the tables really turned.

If people had understood that Namco was responsible for adding Decidueye in Pokken, I think fewer people would've jumped the gun and said Incineroar had no chance compared to Decidueye.

Honestly, I think people were looking too hard for the next Greninja. None of the starters feel like the massive breakout star we were expecting, and because of that, I feel like Sakurai could've went with any of the three starters and made it work. Incineroar just so happened to have that wrestler shtick he found interesting.


(Oh, and 8,000 pages! We've come a long way.)

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I CLAIM PAGE 8000 IN THE NAME OF MY STUPID DAUGHTER, STAR!

Poor Star.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Incineroar getting in over Decidueye was a legitimate Smash 4 Robin over Chrom situation. It was a surprise to many of us.
And in my case, a pretty pleasant one

Not really. Incineroar was already known as more important from the start. He's more like Chrom in that regard. Robin is more like Decidueye. You could probably call Primarina the Lucina in a sense(except Lucina's way more manly).

He was going to go for Chrom, period. It didn't work for him. He went for Robin instead. He wanted the more unique one.

All the Pokemon were unique. The FE trio were not. This applied both times for Gen VI and Gen VII.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

I CLAIM PAGE 8000 IN THE NAME OF MY STUPID DAUGHTER, STAR!

When will be able to meet your daughter....
Wait...
How do you have a daughter?

 

[ClaTheBae]

Having become a semi-frequent member of 4chan, I'd honestly say they're better than GameFAQs. The environment on 4chan is better for ****posting; the anonymity and large lack of censorship allows for people to make actual ****posts. GameFAQs is just middle schoolers and grown men trying to be edgy. At the very least 4chan is teenagers and young adults trying to be edgy and sometimes succeeding, so you get better content.

A lot of 4chan that makes it annoying is the fact that people want to be contrarian simply for the sake of being contrarian. "This sucks becausse evryone else thinks it's good lol"
/v/ is just as hard as gamefaqs to get a genuine discussion going. I used to be on /mu/a lot and despite the fact that that board is fairly reasonable by 4chan standards, the concept of true anonymity completely eliminates any consistent form of thought

 

[Deleted member]

I CLAIM PAGE 8000 IN THE NAME OF MY STUPID DAUGHTER, STAR

Let's get some All Star gameplay in here.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

4Chan is a site where you are actively shamed if you don't cower behind anonymity. It's a cesspool of people saying the worst things possible because there is literally no consequence to it.

Ah, there's nothing like some good old 4chan hate and virtue signaling.

I don't understand the "actively shamed if you don't cower behind anonymity" bit, but in posting there I've never really been truly shamed for anything besides the regular 4chan stuff. "People saying the worst things possible" isn't really true either, besides some mean insults and curse words you wouldn't see on a moderated forum. Look, I understand 4chan isn't for everyone, but don't go making it out to be hell on Earth because it really isn't; there are worse websites out there. Trust me, 4chan is tame compared to some of the stuff I've seen.

Wow. Just wow. That's.....really depressing for somebody to go anon without being scared of death being wished upon them. Nobody really try to change that website?

That's the point of the website though. All you really need is thick skin going in.

A lot of 4chan that makes it annoying is the fact that people want to be contrarian simply for the sake of being contrarian. "This sucks becausse evryone else thinks it's good lol"
/v/ is just as hard as gamefaqs to get a genuine discussion going. I used to be on /mu/a lot and despite the fact that that board is fairly reasonable by 4chan standards, the concept of true anonymity completely eliminates any consistent form of thought

I totally agree. I've seen a couple of good discussions on /v/, but it's largely memes and ****posts. I'd say it depends on you're looking for really.

 

[Noipoi]

Poor Star.

When will be able to meet your daughter....
Wait...
How do you have a daughter?

I don't really have a daughter, I'm playing Let's Go Pikachu and i've fallen in love with the damn thing.
Her name is Star and she's stupid and also my daughter.

 

[Idon]

8000 pages and absolutely zero Lyns in Smash.

 

[Kuon]

I guess this game could be considered their 20 year anniversary celebration, since December 7th is so close to January, when Smash 64 came out. At first I was wondering why they wouldn't wait until next year to release the game, but I'm guessing they wanted to get it out this year to boost sales around the holidays. It's in a weird spot, since it's not releasing for the 20 year anniversary, but it's so close to it that it may as well be the 20 year anniversary, especially with all the Smash 64 nods and references in this game. Just a thought I had.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm not trying to be a sore winner and crap on Decidueye fans, but wow, the tables really turned.

I do believe the Incineroar stans have been granted a minimum of One (1) snarky joke at Decidueye fans expense

 

[Zinith]

Technically 8000 was the number Vegeta shouts in most versions of Dragon Ball instead of the infamous 9000, so...

Go nuts

 

[Deleted member]

I don't really have a daughter, I'm playing Let's Go Pikachu and i've fallen in love with the damn thing.
Her name is Star and she's stupid and also my daughter.

I thought you hated the game?

What the **** is going on this month?