Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

People who are still calling this game a part are either...

a) Too stubborn and arrogant to admit they were wrong
b) Trolls
c) Both of the above

The funny thing is is that the statement that the game was built from the ground up isn't common knowledge.

Somebody calling it an upgraded port isn't trolling necessarily. It just means they simply don't know the details as they weren't easy to find. A lot of this stuff gets lost. Though the Trophies being removed should be a hint at this point.

 

[Deleted member]

Gamefaqs is only worth a visit to check Vergeben.
The day Vergeben starts posting somewhere else, i can stop visiting Gamefaqs.

 

[T3Z3R1]

I mean, if you get a GameFAQS account you can...

and then kirbsmash will prob get banned when he tried to yell at them for thinking that ultimate was port.

I swear to god, their mods are worse than Roblox mods were at their job.

 

[RandomAce]

Going to have to arrest you for putting the idea of Fox having sex into my head.

Nintendo created all the possible fan faction before even the internet could’ve.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Gamefaqs is only worth a visit to check Vergeben.
The day Vergeben starts posting somewhere else, i can stop visiting Gamefaqs.

Hey, the Quest 64 forum is pretty cool~

Not all forums are bad there. Just a lot.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, the Quest 64 forum is pretty cool~

Not all forums are bad there. Just a lot.

I’ll check that one then.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

And being an jerk? No thanks.

Good, nice to see some civilized people here...

If you ask me, Smashboards is probably the least toxic section of the entire Smash fanbase, and I can applaud that. The mods react quickly to troublemakers, and most of us try to keep some more controversial stuff to ourselves...
Nice to see a good side of the Smash fandom for once.

 

[MainJPW]

The funny thing is is that the statement that the game was built from the ground up isn't common knowledge.

Didn't Sakurai say it was built on Smash Wii U’s engine in the Smash is Special Famitsu column?

 

[Kuon]

I mean, it is a port. You think it's a coincidence it's got the same starting roster as 64?

Ultimate is a port of Smash 64 confirmed

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Ya'll worried aboit your silly DLC newcomers and I'm just here waiting for someone to try to leak the entire boss roster.

You just know ProsafiaGaming is already like halfway done his all bosses video and is gonna throw it up Dec.7th at 12am with all the big spoilers in his thumbnail for dem juicy views.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Didn't Sakurai say it was built on Smash Wii U’s engine in the Smash is Special Famitsu column?

Now imagine how many people would easily read these columns. Especially those who are just casual gamers.

The answer? Not many. The thing is, this information isn't something that people constantly spread around.

 

[The DanMan051]

The funny thing is is that the statement that the game was built from the ground up isn't common knowledge.

Somebody calling it an upgraded port isn't trolling necessarily. It just means they simply don't know the details as they weren't easy to find. A lot of this stuff gets lost. Though the Trophies being removed should be a hint at this point.

On the occasion it's been brought up at my university, most people think it's just an upgraded port.

Really, I think that's the gulf; if you're active in the Nintendosphere on the internet, you know it's more than just that. But to a lot of people who aren't, it just comes off as Smash 4.5 at first glance.

 

[Deleted member]

Didn't Sakurai say it was built on Smash Wii U’s engine in the Smash is Special Famitsu column?

Crash N Sane Trilogy was done with the Skylanders engine and Pokémon Let’s Go with the one of the 3DS games.

A same engine doesn’t equal a port, but at best a new use for old assets.

 

[Zinith]

Fan fiction and Smash Ultimate being a port. I came in at the right time

 

[Guynamednelson]

I mean, it is a port. You think it's a coincidence it's got the same starting roster as 64?

And Pikachu is speculated to be the best character.

 

[Deleted member]

A same engine doesn’t equal a port.

But I thought Cuphead was just a port of all those bad Unity games...

 

[KMDP]

Ultimate is a port of Smash 64 confirmed

All Smash games are a port of Kirby Super Star.

 

[The DanMan051]

Crash N Sane Trilogy was done with the Skylanders engine and Pokémon Let’s Go with the one of the 3DS games.

A same engine doesn’t equal a port, but at best a new use for old assets.

Adding onto this, all the Halo games until 5 were developed in some variation of the same engine (that's why 5 ended up cutting splitscreen and was slow to roll out gamemodes; they rebuilt the engine while on a deadline. Explains why they're making a big fuss about Infinite's new engine and likely won't release until 2020).

 

[kirbsmash]

Why is GameFaqs so stubborn ?

 

[The DanMan051]

Why is GameFaqs so stubborn ?

Because it's just 4chan without the lewd art and being able to outright tell people to kill themselves.

 

[Kuon]

Didn't Sakurai say it was built on Smash Wii U’s engine in the Smash is Special Famitsu column?

Of course, even if it's built on the same engine or built using the same engine doesn't make it a port. After all, plenty of games (like Call of Duty) have been using the same engine for over a decade but aren't ports of the same game

 

[Deleted member]

But I thought Cuphead was just a port of all those bad Unity games...

Cuphead is just a Dark Souls reboot.
But not as good as Crash Souls or Dark the Dragon Soul.

 

[ZephyrZ]

The funny thing is is that the statement that the game was built from the ground up isn't common knowledge.

Somebody calling it an upgraded port isn't trolling necessarily. It just means they simply don't know the details as they weren't easy to find. A lot of this stuff gets lost. Though the Trophies being removed should be a hint at this point.

Even if it wasn't built from the ground up it wouldn't be a port. That'd be like saying Kid Icarus is a port of Metroid, or in a less extreme example, that pokemon ORAS was a port of XY. Ports generally have very minimal changes.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Even if it wasn't built from the ground up it wouldn't be a port. That'd be like saying Kid Icarus is a port of Metroid, or in a less extreme example, that pokemon ORAS was a port of XY. Ports generally have very minimal changes.

I never said it was a port.

It's more that people don't know this information, so still think it's a port.

It doesn't mean they're trolling. It just means they don't know all the information. Again, it's not common knowledge.

 

[Kuon]

The funny thing is is that the statement that the game was built from the ground up isn't common knowledge.

Somebody calling it an upgraded port isn't trolling necessarily. It just means they simply don't know the details as they weren't easy to find. A lot of this stuff gets lost. Though the Trophies being removed should be a hint at this point.

What is being hinted at with the removal of trophies?

 

[Cosmic77]

Pokemon are poor comparisons to the Champions. Not only do they constantly focus on one Starter over the other in various materials, only one will be important(or two at most) in a general playthrough. Rarely are all 3 given the same importance. The Champions are equally important and fully promoted that way. There is no real easy way to choose one over the other because they're truly treated as equals. Starters never once were. Or should I note Charizard is just plain treated as way more important than Venusaur and Blastoise? Venusaur is even barely noted at this point.

The fact that so many people genuinely thought Decidueye would get in over Incineroar should tell us that choosing the most important/most promoted starter isn't always black and white.

Like you said, the Champions are all equally important, no disagreement there. That being said, it's extremely generous to say we could unanimously pick out who the most important starter in each Gen is. Would most people agree that Infernape is the most important Gen IV starter? Is Emboar hands-down the most promoted Gen V starter? Yes, you do have some exceptions like Charizard, but that's really the only good example we have. Greninja and Incineroar were chosen long before Sakurai had seen any implication that they'd be pushed over the other two starter Pokemon (and with the latter, there's barely been anything from TPC aside from a few minor roles in the anime that's indicated that he's more important).

Perhaps there's a slight difference between Champions and starter Pokemon, but I don't think it's fair to call it a poor comparison, especially when both Champions and starters all share an identical role in their games. You could add any Champion or starter in Smash, and I guarantee you people would rationalize why that character makes so much more sense than the others.

 

[Raxxel]

Funnily enough, I actually did watch Infinity War without ever having watched another MCU movie.

... Huh. Well, honest question, were you confused at all during it, or?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

And Pikachu is speculated to be the best character.

The scariest part, is that it's happening almost 20 years after Pikachu kicked butt in the original Smash game...
It's like everything's just lining up for the 20th anniversary of Smash

Btw do you guys think the 20th anniversary of Smash will be celebrated by Nintendo or Sakurai in some way next year, especially since Ultimate's gonna be fine and alive with DLC?

 

[Deleted member]

You literally said nobody thought he would be in. That's not true, is the point. You were generalizing. I called you out on it.

Anyway, the All-Stars thing was dropped a long time ago. The history with Nintendo crap was never a required factor, no matter how many people try to deny it. Yes, some care. Sakurai doesn't. On the other hand, Nintendo might care.


Fire Emblem actually has little item options, and has main characters every game. It's pretty well-represented for what it can do.

The Zelda series has plain more content, and it just could use a few more stand-out characters.

I'll be frank; I never thought Midna nor Skull Kid were a good idea for Smash either. They never stood out as easy options. Bowser Jr. did by being a main character in more than one game. He also had tons of abilities with his paintbrush.

Now that's more my fault; I never felt anyone but the core trio, Tingle, and Impa really should've been playable.

Even then, my point still stands. The reaction videos even say it for themselves. "How is this possible?" "No one thought it was possible!" "He hasn't even appeared on a Nintendo console!" Pretty much across the board people never thought it was possible because of the history behind FFVII.

And while you yourself may not think "history with Nintendo" doesn't matter, it still has a fair amount of factor, to a degree. Snake and the Metal Gear Solid IP might've pushed the boundaries, but you can't deny that he has at the very least SOME connections with Nintendo. Every third party guest has connections with varying degrees, which makes them not feel as outlandish as say Katalina or Master Chief.

 

[Deleted member]

The scariest part, is that it's happening almost 20 years after Pikachu kicked butt in the original Smash game...

Btw do you guys think the 20th anniversary of Smash will be celebrated by Nintendo or Sakurai in some way next year, especially since Ultimate's gonna be fine and alive with DLC?

Imagine a Smash Bros collection for Switch with every title.

 

[KMDP]

What is being hinted at with the removal of trophies?

If Smash Ultimate was a port of Smash 4, there'd be no reason to remove the trophies.

 

[Kuon]

The scariest part, is that it's happening almost 20 years after Pikachu kicked butt in the original Smash game...

Btw do you guys think the 20th anniversary of Smash will be celebrated by Nintendo or Sakurai in some way next year, especially since Ultimate's gonna be fine and alive with DLC?

What month did Smash 64 come out? I wonder if they'll do something on the month of the anniversary next year. Of course, the only thing I can think of is releasing one of the dlc sets

 

[kirbsmash]

4chan is really that bad?!

 

[Deleted member]

Tropical Freeze is a port of Country Returns.

Doom Eternal is a port of Doom 2016.

Megaman 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 are ports of Megaman 1.

 

[Zinith]

4chan is really that bad?!

You're asking that question?

Aw, you're so precious

 

[Raxxel]

4chan is really that bad?!

4Chan is a site where you are actively shamed if you don't cower behind anonymity. It's a cesspool of people saying the worst things possible because there is literally no consequence to it.

 

[Deleted member]

What month did Smash 64 come out? I wonder if they'll do something on the month of the anniversary next year. Of course, the only thing I can think of is releasing one of the dlc sets

Maybe they make a collection of every Smash game for Switch.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Of course, even if it's built on the same engine or built using the same engine doesn't make it a port. After all, plenty of games (like Call of Duty) have been using the same engine for over a decade but aren't ports of the same game

Don't think CoD is a good series to bring up to get that point across. lol

 

[Idon]

4chan is really that bad?!

oh boy, have fun seeing how far that rabbit hole goes.
Complete anonymity is one hell of a drug.

 

[KMDP]

Tropical Freeze is a port of Country Returns.

Doom Eternal is a port of Doom 2016.

Megaman 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 are ports of Megaman 1.

Sonic & Knuckles is a port of Sonic the Hedgehog 3

Golden Sun: The Lost Age is a port of Golden Sun

Crash Bandicoot 2 and Warped are ports of Crash Bandicoot

Fire Emblem; The Blazing Blade is a port of Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade

Dragon Ball Z: Infinite World is a port of Dragon Ball: Budokai 3