Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[kirbsmash]

LeakyPandy

Who?

 

[Deleted member]

because that's probably a large amount of salt to put in something

listen i ain't getting paid here don't flex on me

That’s exactly what a person who’s getting paid to ****post on a smash bros forum would say. Who’s your employer?

 

[Deleted member]

Who?

Some leaker who hasn't gotten anything right at all, but yet for some reason expects to be taken seriously.

 

[kirbsmash]

Some leaker who hasn't gotten anything right at all, but yet for some reason expects to be taken seriously.

Unlike Vegeban, who people said he/she's an troll. But got most stuff right,

 

[FreeFox]

Some leaker who hasn't gotten anything right at all, but yet for some reason expects to be taken seriously.

I might be remembering something wrong, but isnt Leaky Panda a group of people?

 

[Kuon]

Well immediately we can start with Pokémon is much much bigger franchise than Xenoblade

They advertise Pokémon all he time

I mean, I get that they could use it for advertisement, but that still doesn't explain why a Gen 8 Pokémon would be chosen when Sakurai specifically stated that Rex was too new when they first decided on DLC

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Remember guys...
"Skull kid is a boss"

 

[Deleted member]

I might be remembering something wrong, but isnt Leaky Panda a group of people?

I’m pretty sure they are, yeah.

 

[KingofKoopas]

I might be remembering something wrong, but isnt Leaky Panda a group of people?

No that was Vergeben. Didn't you attend the last Vergeben meeting #24601?

 

[Deleted member]

So, which would you rather have Sakurai and his team be in charge of? A Jump Ultimate Stars sequel or a Playstation All Stars sequal?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Slots are dumb because characters from different series aren't in direct contention with others for slots. Maybe Incineroar was in contention with other Pokemon for a Pokemon slot, but I doubt Isabelle had any effect on say, Isaac's chances

That's literally the case here. Sakurai set aside a slot for Gen VI and Gen VII.

That means Greninja's competition was solely Gen VI Pokemon and Incineroar's competition was solely Gen VII Pokemon.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

At what point would you be annoyed that we haven’t heard anything from Nintendo on the actual DLC characters? It seems people are antsy with the VGAs, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t hear anything until around piranha plant’s release.

I'd get annoyed after the VGAs.

Nintendo needs to start their DLC season strong and they need to do it soon, so that they can convince people on the fence to purchase the Fighters Pass. It makes perfect sense to do it the day before the game releases so that they can drive sales of the Fighters Pass alongside all the people buying the game day 1.

 

[osby]

So, which would you rather have Sakurai and his team be in charge of? A Jump Ultimate Stars sequel or a Playstation All Stars sequal?

Latter, they seem to have more experience with video games, rather than mangas. unless it's JoJo

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So, which would you rather have Sakurai and his team be in charge of? A Jump Ultimate Stars sequel or a Playstation All Stars sequal?

Playstation All Stars...
That game had such missed potential, and I can see Sakurai making it really great...

 

[kirbsmash]

Playstation All Stars...
That game had such missed potential, and I can see Sakurai making it really great...

Give me Sackboy.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I'd get annoyed after the VGAs.

Nintendo needs to start their DLC season strong and they need to do it soon, so that they can convince people on the fence to purchase the Fighters Pass. It makes perfect sense to do it the day before the game releases so that they can drive sales of the Fighters Pass alongside all the people buying the game day 1.

This. Many people are uncertain of whether to invest in a Season Pass we know absolutely nothing about, dropping even the first bombshell would likely turn a lot of minds. Their standard mystery approach isn't going work for this scenario and they need to realize that.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Okay so a minor update: turns out the free update this is a rumor by... leakypanda
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/1...-ultimate-nintendo-switch-dlc-spirirts-modes/
Needless to say, take this with a grain of salt

Leakypanda trying to "leak'? Not in my house.

These guys are absolute frauds. None of their Nintendo "leaks" have come anywhere close to true, minus 1 Nintendo Direct date prediction, which easily could've been a lucky guess. Keep away from these guys because they're bogus.

Also call them LeakyPanda because they don't like that. You want me to call you LeakyPandy? Give me an actual leak and then we can talk.

 

[Deleted member]

So, which would you rather have Sakurai and his team be in charge of? A Jump Ultimate Stars sequel or a Playstation All Stars sequal?

Jump if only because I care less about it. If there was PS all-stars sequel directed by Sakurai and handled by his team, surely it’d just be “Smash bros but with PlayStation characters”? If we do get a sequel to thatgame, I’d hope it do something different and exciting, if you get me.

 

[Deleted member]

Ya'll worried aboit your silly DLC newcomers and I'm just here waiting for someone to try to leak the entire boss roster.

 

[kirbsmash]

Sackboy is fitting for Smash, as unlikely he will be in.

 

[osby]

Ya'll worried aboit your silly DLC newcomers and I'm just here waiting for someone to try to leak the entire boss roster.

Way ahead of you.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd get annoyed after the VGAs.

Nintendo needs to start their DLC season strong and they need to do it soon, so that they can convince people on the fence to purchase the Fighters Pass. It makes perfect sense to do it the day before the game releases so that they can drive sales of the Fighters Pass alongside all the people buying the game day 1.

Smash isn't the only thing Nintendo talks about. This whole year was pretty much dedicated to Smash, let's let some other games have the spotlight for a bit.

 

[kirbsmash]

Way ahead of you.

Do 'Roar counts?

 

[Iko MattOrr]

They're also all playable and main characters. The Champions are promoted, but not playable. And never were. They also weren't even as important as people make 'em. They have short story parts and are just there to make one fight easier. They're secondary characters entirely and always were.

Besides that, Star Fox also has changed up the playable roster before, removing Peppy entirely. Only Falco and Fox stayed directly, and that even got changed. It has a rotating cast, making it another poor comparison to the situation. The Champions are not rotated. They are treated as equal. The Star Fox characters definitely don't apply there. They replaced James with Fox early on, even. Krystal came in during Assault to change up the cast too. And so on.

Oh, and right, cause Falco was also an easy clone as said above. He was the only plausible one to work with Fox's body type. Same with Wolf. Very unique situations.

I'm sorry but I disagree.
I hate to do this type of posts with a mod, but there are too many things I disagree with, and even some factually false statements (such as slippy not being in every game and peppy being removed completely, or the Fox and James thing).

Star Fox has a rotating cast, but the main 4 have been consistent for the most time (including Slippy who never missed a game too).
The only special case is Peppy being "replaced" by Krystal in Assault; that game is set later in the storyline and Peppy is still an important character. Peppy retired from the Star Fox squadron but became a general, and he gets an important role in the story despite not being playable (in Star Fox Command on DS he comes back as playable if I remember well, but that game has loads of characters and not just a main team).
I don't think James Mc Cloud has ever replaced Fox, it was an easter egg/bonus in some games, an endgame unlockable; neither the other way, as far as I know Fox has always been the main character and James was just his father, who has a role in the backstory of the series.

Not being playable does not affect the chance of a character, because there are characters such as Sheik and Rosalina who originally were not playable but still were added to Smash (Rosalina was playable in Mario Kart and maybe other spin-offs but it doesn't count, because look at Waluigi).
Not to mention that the Starfox team is usually not playable as well outside of multiplayer, they are usually controlled by a CPU in most of the games, and they mostly interact with dialogues.
The only thing I agree on is that the champions don't get much screen time, but they are still the most important characters of the game after Link and Zelda. But if you look at it in this way, even Zelda does not appear that much, since the game is mostly about Link going around the world alone.
The game as very little story, but that small story is about Link, Zelda and the champions. Their 4 "side quests" are the only 4 dungeons in the game. You can skip them and go to the final boss directly, but they are still part of the main story. Saying that they only exist to make a boss easier is like saying that most of the Koopalings are unimportant because you can skip most of their fights using secret passages/magic flute/Star Road.

IMO the only difference between Star Fox and the champions is that the champions only appeared in 1 game, so saying that they are not a rotating cast can't be verifyed because we don't have many entries in the series to compare, unlike Starfox. On the other hand, the champions did change in BOTW, since there are the champions from the past and the new champions from the present, and they are different people (just like the old Star Fox team of James Mc Cloud, where the only returning member is Peppy).
I think that the comparison between the champions and the Starfox team is totally fitting as long as we look at Zelda BOTW as a single game, separated from the rest of the Zelda series; it's obvious that if we look at the series as a whole, the champions are unimportant because they only appear in one game.

Honestly, I don't think the champions should be in Smash, since they are intended to be one offs like Ghirahim and others; but I think they are kinda likely only because it's Nintendo who is selecting the characters this time, and because of the huge success of BOTW.
I personally don't even care.

 

[osby]

Do 'Roar counts?

Dunno. Is there a boss fight for him in Sun & Moon?

 

[ClaTheBae]

Smash isn't the only thing Nintendo talks about. This whole year was pretty much dedicated to Smash, let's let some other games have the spotlight for a bit.

While this is a perfectly valid viewpoint, many people have their eyes on smash as it is fast approaching. If nintendo wanted to go big with this, then they would announce the first DLC character soon to get fighter passes sold

 

[Will]

Do 'Roar counts?

no, why would he

 

[staindgrey]

I'd get annoyed after the VGAs.

Nintendo needs to start their DLC season strong and they need to do it soon, so that they can convince people on the fence to purchase the Fighters Pass. It makes perfect sense to do it the day before the game releases so that they can drive sales of the Fighters Pass alongside all the people buying the game day 1.

It's technically on the day the game releases. Remember that Japan is ahead of us. If I remember right, it'll be like 11am Dec. 7th in Japan when the VGAs start.

It'd be nice if they told us then, but I really don't think they need to say anything at all. The early adopters who get the Fighters Pass are likely people who know they're going to get every fighter anyway. For a smart consumer, seeing one character doesn't mean they'll suddenly drop money on five. Nintendo should be in no rush trying to sell people on the Fighters Pass. People will buy it when they want to buy it.

Plus, if we are to believe that actual work on DLC characters legitimately did not start until after the final direct, that leaves them essentially no time at all to make a character in any sort of presentable fashion. I really think any sort of VGAs presence by Nintendo will be for games besides Smash Bros.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Jump if only because I care less about it. If there was PS all-stars sequel directed by Sakurai and handled by his team, surely it’d just be “Smash bros but with PlayStation characters”? If we do get a sequel to thatgame, I’d hope it do something different and exciting, if you get me.

To be fair, though, isn’t a Smash game with 20 or so “newcomers” exciting, since you’d get to try out all of those brand new movesets in a system that’s better designed? Although, it would be cool to see if he’d be able to try something else, given that there aren’t as many veterans to port such that making a reboot wouldn’t affect the roster as harshly.

 

[Deleted member]

Dunno. Is there a boss fight for him in Sun & Moon?

Nope.

 

[P.Kat]

...Yeah, I'm not expanding on this current discussion. I just can't.

Not to derail us from this riveting topic, but as far as first-party DLC goes, who would you consider to be the most likely character from the following franchises?










Try to choose characters who you think Nintendo would pick themselves rather than your personal favs.

Captain Toad/Toadette/Chain Chomp Hey if he put Piranha Plant in it could happen. Plus Chain Chomp is better than Piranha Plant
Dixie Kong
Tetra/Impa
Sylux
Rick/Bandana Dee
Zeraora/Gen 8 Pokémon
Lyn/Fjorm/Anna Lyn is arguably the most or one of the most popular FE characters around. An Assist Trophy wouldn't keep Nintendo from making bank of her DLC.
Elma

 

[kirbsmash]

Dunno. Is there a boss fight for him in Sun & Moon?

Oops, I was thinking them as villains or anti-heroes. Not real bosses.

 

[KMDP]

N-NO! You're wrong!!! They're just keeping us satisfied until they're done making him, he's just lying to us!!!

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Yes, Arigarmy.

Join the side that believes that the Isaac, Shadow ATs and Rex MC were just stop-gaps until they're made playable as DLC.

We're not crazy, everyone else is crazy, especially us.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Ya'll worried aboit your silly DLC newcomers and I'm just here waiting for someone to try to leak the entire boss roster.

Same. It will probably be disappointing, but I'm hoping for:

Galeem, Master Hand, Galleom, Rathalos, Dracula, Werewolf, King Bulblin, Balder/Masked Lumen (the ones we know about)
Yellow Devil, Metal Face, Death, Carmilla (likely reused stage bosses/hazards)
Petey Piranha, Rayquaza/possibly Mega Rayquaza transformation, Porky, Duon, secret Tabuu fight (returning from SSE)

And then maybe some unexpected ones like Balder, like maybe a Kirby boss or a Kraid fight, to flesh out the other series.

Eggman would also be cash.

 

[Deleted member]

Way ahead of you.

I'm sorry but I disagree.
I hate to do this type of posts with a mod, but there are too many things I disagree with, and even some factually false statements (such as slippy not being in every game and peppy being removed completely, or the Fox and James thing).

Star Fox has a rotating cast, but the main 4 have been consistent for the most time (including Slippy who never missed a game too).
The only special case is Peppy being "replaced" by Krystal in Assault; that game is set later in the storyline and Peppy is still an important character. Peppy retired from the Star Fox squadron but became a general, and he gets an important role in the story despite not being playable (in Star Fox Command on DS he comes back as playable if I remember well, but that game has loads of characters and not just a main team).
I don't think James Mc Cloud has ever replaced Fox, it was an easter egg/bonus in some games, an endgame unlockable; neither the other way, as far as I know Fox has always been the main character and James was just his father, who has a role in the backstory of the series.

Not being playable does not affect the chance of a character, because there are characters such as Sheik and Rosalina who originally were not playable but still were added to Smash (Rosalina was playable in Mario Kart and maybe other spin-offs but it doesn't count, because look at Waluigi).
Not to mention that the Starfox team is usually not playable as well outside of multiplayer, they are usually controlled by a CPU in most of the games, and they mostly interact with dialogues.
The only thing I agree on is that the champions don't get much screen time, but they are still the most important characters of the game after Link and Zelda. But if you look at it in this way, even Zelda does not appear that much, since the game is mostly about Link going around the world alone.
The game as very little story, but that small story is about Link, Zelda and the champions. Their 4 "side quests" are the only 4 dungeons in the game. You can skip them and go to the final boss directly, but they are still part of the main story. Saying that they only exist to make a boss easier is like saying that most of the Koopalings are unimportant because you can skip most of their fights using secret passages/magic flute/Star Road.

IMO the only difference between Star Fox and the champions is that the champions only appeared in 1 game, so saying that they are not a rotating cast can't be verifyed because we don't have many entries in the series to compare, unlike Starfox. On the other hand, the champions did change in BOTW, since there are the champions from the past and the new champions from the present, and they are different people (just like the old Star Fox team of James Mc Cloud, where the only returning member is Peppy).
I think that the comparison between the champions and the Starfox team is totally fitting as long as we look at Zelda BOTW as a single game, separated from the rest of the Zelda series; it's obvious that if we look at the series as a whole, the champions are unimportant because they only appear in one game.

Honestly, I don't think the champions should be in Smash, since they are intended to be one offs like Ghirahim and others; but I think they are kinda likely only because it's Nintendo who is selecting the characters this time, and because of the huge success of BOTW.
I personally don't even care.

I've never actually played a Star Fox game outside of the 3DS multiplayer a few times but I'm pretty sure everyone who has at least heard of Star Fox knows very well who its main cast is. It's kinda silly to argue that it has a rotating cast(even though it's mostly consistent anyways) to strengthen an argument for a group of one-offs.

Also, Rosalina was playable in 3D World btw.

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, though, isn’t a Smash game with 20 or so “newcomers” exciting, since you’d get to try out all of those brand new movesets in a system that’s better designed? Although, it would be cool to see if he’d be able to try something else, given that there aren’t as many veterans to port such that making a reboot wouldn’t affect the roster as harshly.

I see where you’re coming from, but PlayStation all-stars shouldn’t just try to be smash I feel. The problem with it I felt was that it differentiated itself from smash with the whole supers to kill things while also trying too hard to be like smash at the same time, with the difference just making it worse. If there is a PS all-stars 2, they should try and do something different.

 

[FreeFox]

Way ahead of you.

Where is Pichu? Every league of villains need a fluffy foil.
And ?

So, which would you rather have Sakurai and his team be in charge of? A Jump Ultimate Stars sequel or a Playstation All Stars sequal?

Hopefully, people would put more faith in Sakurai with giving him some characters.

 

[osby]

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I'm going to pretend I get what this gif conveys.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to pretend I get what this gif conveys.

I think it’s portraying the 5 stages of grief all at once.

 

[Deleted member]

Same. It will probably be disappointing, but I'm hoping for:

Galeem, Master Hand, Galleom, Rathalos, Dracula, Werewolf, King Bulblin, Balder/Masked Lumen (the ones we know about)
Yellow Devil, Metal Face, Death, Carmilla (likely reused stage bosses/hazards)
Petey Piranha, Rayquaza/possibly Mega Rayquaza transformation, Porky, Duon, secret Tabuu fight (returning from SSE)

And then maybe some unexpected ones like Balder, like maybe a Kirby boss or a Kraid fight, to flesh out the other series.

Eggman would also be cash.

I'm hoping more ATs are also turned into bosses, Rathalos is the first, but Sakurai never said he's the only one.
Black Knight, DOCTAH WHAILY and Mother Brain would all fit incredibly well as bosses.

I'm going to pretend I get what this gif conveys.