Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...Yeah, I'm not expanding on this current discussion. I just can't.

Not to derail us from this riveting topic, but as far as first-party DLC goes, who would you consider to be the most likely character from the following franchises?










Try to choose characters who you think Nintendo would pick themselves rather than your personal favs.

-Paper Mario. Only cause Toad is disconfirmed. So is Captain Toad, if we're going to count Stage Pieces too.
-Dixie Kong, cause honestly I've wanted her in. While Funky and Cranky exist too, she seems like she might be higher priority due to being a more noted main character.
-Tingle, easily. Though Ganon and Impa are nice choices too. Oh, right, he's a Stage Piece. Though as Chrom proves, that doesn't mean much. Ganon I'd put highest instead. Impa has way too many designs for her to be likely, honestly. Ganon has a serviceable ALTTP design and is highly memorable in that form.
To be honest, nobody else interests me now, but Sylux works.
-Bandanna Waddle Dee. Marx is a runner-up.
-Too hard to say. All the major guys are there now or disconfirmed. Gen 8 might be too late for DLC?
-Tiki, maybe?
-Elma, easily.

 

[Cosmic77]

I’m fine with the Champs but Nintendo would have to choose ONE of them. And just a single champ would be weird. To me, at least.

Choosing a single Champion wouldn't feel any different to me than Sakurai adding Greninja and Incineroar and leaving out the other starters, but I can understand why people would think it would be weird.

Honestly, the odds of us getting any Zelda character are low. I just think the Champions are our best bet if Nintendo chose the DLC.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Choosing a single Champion wouldn't feel any different to me than Sakurai adding Greninja and Incineroar and leaving out the other starters, but I can understand why people would think it would be weird.

Honestly, the odds of us getting any Zelda character are low. I just think the Champions are our best bet if Nintendo chose the DLC.

Yeah. Probably are the best bet. I feel Greninja and Incineroar we’re different though, because you only choose one in the main game, anyway.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Let's not lie about it the only First Party Mario Rep who could be added as DLC or otherwise.. Is anyone not named Waluigi if Piranha Plant was any indication.

 

[Will]

- Elma. mainly because it seemed like Sakurai outright deconfirmed Rex. Can't think of a reason why Nintendo would want to promote Elma though, especially since her game was on the Wii U.

N-NO! You're wrong!!! They're just keeping us satisfied until they're done making him, he's just lying to us!!!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Pokemon are poor comparisons to the Champions. Not only do they constantly focus on one Starter over the other in various materials, only one will be important(or two at most) in a general playthrough. Rarely are all 3 given the same importance. The Champions are equally important and fully promoted that way. There is no real easy way to choose one over the other because they're truly treated as equals. Starters never once were. Or should I note Charizard is just plain treated as way more important than Venusaur and Blastoise? Venusaur is even barely noted at this point.

 

[Deleted member]

...Yeah, I'm not expanding on this current discussion. I just can't.

Not to derail us from this riveting topic, but as far as first-party DLC goes, who would you consider to be the most likely character from the following franchises?










Try to choose characters who you think Nintendo would pick themselves rather than your personal favs.

: Honestly depends. If Sakurai isn't counting ATs out, then probably Waluigi. However, I really, really doubt that, so probably Captain Toad or someone like King Boo. Birdo is also a possibility.

: HW Impa, no question.

: Dixie.

: After Piranha Plant, I could legit see Sakurai being a mad man and make something like a Space Pirate playable.

: Bandana Dee. Magalor is also a really solid choice.

: Whatever GF's flavor of the gen is in Gen 8.

: Whoever the flavor of the year FE lord is at the time of planning.

: Elma. IMO, Rex's Mii costume was Sakurai giving a hard no on XB2 content.

 

[Kuon]

Why did you forget that greninja and incineroar got in similar to Corrin

Concept art before the game came out
(Incineroar is due to being a wrestler and Sakurai adding a character who focusing on wrestling we know dang well game freak showed them concept art just like last time)

And you fatal mistake for gen 8 rep

dlc doesn’t end till 2020 and I’m pretty sure gen 8 will be shown off in 2019

But I still don't understand why they would go with something as new as Gen 8 but not Rex

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Pokemon are poor comparisons to the Champions. Not only do they constantly focus on one Starter over the other in various materials, only one will be important(or two at most) in a general playthrough. Rarely are all 3 given the same importance. The Champions are equally important and fully promoted that way. There is no real easy way to choose one over the other because they're truly treated as equals. Starters never once were. Or should I note Charizard is just plain treated as way more important than Venusaur and Blastoise? Venusaur is even barely noted at this point.

But a similar situation already happend with Star Fox.
Ignoring Fox that's the main character, Peppy, Slippy and Falco are all equally important, though they have chosen Falco and only him.
When adding a new Star Fox rep, they went with Wolf instead of completing the main team, so I think it's not important, only one is enough to represent them all (they may appear in the final smash or something anyway).

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

But I still don't understand why they would go with something as new as Gen 8 but not Rex

Well immediately we can start with Pokémon is much much bigger franchise than Xenoblade

They advertise Pokémon all he time

 

[osby]

But a similar situation already happend with Star Fox.
Ignoring Fox that's the main character, Peppy, Slippy and Falco are all equally important, though they have chosen Falco and only him.
When adding a new Star Fox rep, they went with Wolf instead of completing the main team, so I think it's not important, only one is enough to represent them all (they may appear in the final smash or something anyway).

I'm pretty sure those two were chosen because of their body types. Eh, whatever, Revali as a Falco clone, let's go.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But a similar situation already happend with Star Fox.
Ignoring Fox that's the main character, Peppy, Slippy and Falco are all equally important, though they have chosen Falco and only him.
When adding a new Star Fox rep, they went with Wolf instead of completing the main team, so I think it's not important, only one is enough to represent them all (they may appear in the final smash or something anyway).

They're also all playable and main characters. The Champions are promoted, but not playable. And never were. They also weren't even as important as people make 'em. They have short story parts and are just there to make one fight easier. They're secondary characters entirely and always were.

Besides that, Star Fox also has changed up the playable roster before, removing Peppy entirely. Only Falco and Fox stayed directly, and that even got changed. It has a rotating cast, making it another poor comparison to the situation. The Champions are not rotated. They are treated as equal. The Star Fox characters definitely don't apply there. They replaced James with Fox early on, even. Krystal came in during Assault to change up the cast too. And so on.

Oh, and right, cause Falco was also an easy clone as said above. He was the only plausible one to work with Fox's body type. Same with Wolf. Very unique situations.

 

[Dee Dude]

...Yeah, I'm not expanding on this current discussion. I just can't.

Not to derail us from this riveting topic, but as far as first-party DLC goes, who would you consider to be the most likely character from the following franchises?










Try to choose characters who you think Nintendo would pick themselves rather than your personal favs.

Another generic enemy or maaaaybe Toad
Funky or Cranky. Dunno why people think Nintendo would choose Dixie lol.
BOTW character
No clue, maybe they’ll pull a Roy and add a character from Prime 4 to tease the game
Bandana Dee, Marx, or Magalor
Gen 7 Pokemon
Three Houses promotion
Elma or Pyra

 

[osby]

Well immediately we can start with Pokémon is much much bigger franchise than Xenoblade

They advertise Pokémon all he time

I mean... same with Corrin in Smash For, really. Agreed on Pokemon is a special case, but they still can decide on a character from a smaller franchise.

 

[Guynamednelson]

But a similar situation already happend with Star Fox.
Ignoring Fox that's the main character, Peppy, Slippy and Falco are all equally important, though they have chosen Falco and only him.

On a character poll asking what characters should be in Melee, Falco was #1 in the Star Fox section.

 

[Will]

Funky or Cranky. Dunno why people think Nintendo would choose Dixie lol.

Just because he said no Echoes don't mean no semiclones.

Gen 7 Pokemon

?????

Elma or Pyra

Why would you have Pyra but no Rex? What's next, Fi?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

?????

Maybe a typo?

 

[kirbsmash]

Oh, DLC for newcomers not already listed?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Why would you have Pyra but no Rex? What's next, Fi?

Well, unlike that "Rex" guy not being the game, Link actually does happen to be in the game already, so Fi could work.

And, for the record, I think Pyra could work fine on her own.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

?????
Why would you have Pyra but no Rex? What's next, Fi?

Maybe a typo?

Inceneroar isn’t enough

Well, unlike that "Rex" guy not being the game, Link actually does happen to be in the game already, so Fi could work.

And, for the record, I think Pyra could work fine on her own.

And Mythra can be there aswell

 

[osby]

Well, unlike that "Rex" guy not being the game, Link actually does happen to be in the game already, so Fi could work.

And, for the record, I think Pyra could work fine on her own.

I mean, yeah, I guess she can but why they would put her in and not Rex?

 

[Dee Dude]

Uh no I’m serious, why wouldn’t Nintendo advertise another popular Gen 7 Pokemon? Unless it’s an iconic Kantomon like Eevee or Gengar so I don’t see the harm in including Decidueye or Primarina.

I mean, we literally have 3 Awakening characters in Smash already when Chrom, Lucina, or Robin could’ve been enough.

And Rex clearly isn’t getting in.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Inceneroar isn’t enough

Having 10 playable Pokemon in Smash isn't even enough imo... there are currently 809 different Pokemon, with a lot of them having some good move set potential. They're missing out on some really good ones by limiting it to just 10...

 

[Will]

Well, unlike that "Rex" guy not being the game, Link actually does happen to be in the game already, so Fi could work.

And, for the record, I think Pyra could work fine on her own.

It was a joke because if you move the Master Sword you move Fi. Move the sword you move Pyra.

let the sword sit there guess that's a whole lot of nothing going on

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Well, unlike that "Rex" guy not being the game, Link actually does happen to be in the game already, so Fi could work.

And, for the record, I think Pyra could work fine on her own.

Well, maybe but Rex and Pyra are supposed to be a duo (never played a Xenoblade game in my life so anyone can correct me if I’m wrong) so it wouldn’t really be the same to have one without the other like Nana and Popo.

 

[kirbsmash]

People will complain about too much Pokemon.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Uh no I’m serious, why wouldn’t Nintendo advertise another popular Gen 7 Pokemon? Unless it’s an iconic Kantomon like Eevee or Gengar so I don’t see the harm in including Decidueye or Primarina.

I mean, we literally have 3 Awakening characters in Smash already when Chrom, Lucina, or Robin could’ve been enough.

And Rex clearly isn’t getting in.

Rex was too late for the base roster. That's all it means.

Lucina was an easy Echo. It was meant to be Chrom at first, but was changed to Robin. We were only going to get Robin(or Chrom) from the start. There was enough time for 3 easy clones.

Chrom's popularity got him into Ultimate. Pokemon is nowhere near the same situation here. Incineroar was chosen right away in comparison. He wasn't a second option. Primarina nor Decidueye can be Echoes, making them completely uncomparable situations even moreso than how uncomparable they were already.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

With Gen 8 around the corner, there’s really no reason to advertise Gen 7. Not to mention that Sakurai specifically has mentioned that there was “a slot” reserved for a Gen VII Pokémon to being with.

I don’t know that Gen 7 will get another Pokémon and I personally wouldn’t care for it. Granted, despite Katalina being out of the picture, i’m still expecting a lot of the DLC to be 3rd Parties.

If Nintendo does plan to advertise anything, it would be in accordance with the release of certain games, at least I would think. But who knows?

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Another generic enemy or maaaaybe Toad
Funky or Cranky. Dunno why people think Nintendo would choose Dixie lol.
BOTW character
No clue, maybe they’ll pull a Roy and add a character from Prime 4 to tease the game
Bandana Dee, Marx, or Magalor
Gen 7 Pokemon
Three Houses promotion
Elma or Pyra

Maybe cause she's a main for Dkc2&3 not to mention TF were she was the most popular partner of the 3 being the most useful, we're not assuming she'll be chosen but it's still a possibility.

 

[Will]

Well, maybe but Rex and Pyra are supposed to be a duo (never played a Xenoblade game in my life so anyone can correct me if I’m wrong) so it wouldn’t really be the same to have one without the other like Nana and Popo.

A duo because Pyra is a sentient weapon.

 

[Royalty1702]

Having 10 playable Pokemon in Smash isn't even enough imo... there are currently 809 different Pokemon, with a lot of them having some good move set potential. They're missing out on some really good ones by limiting it to just 10...

We should have... at least 20.

 

[Opossum]

Not a Star Fox fan so this is the first for me. If the implications are there it counts, which is why Richter and Ike are there, Priam may not necessarily be a direct descendant of Ike but rather Mist or something, as Marth is the descendant of a legendary hero but is his great great x20 grandNEPHEW and as previously stated, we have never seen a direct descendant of Richter

Just a correction here, Anri wasn't THAT long before Marth. Altea as a country is actually incredibly young during Marth's lifetime. The order of Altea's succession went:

Anri, the first king, and Marth's great granduncle/great grunkle.
Marcellus, the second king, Anri's younger brother, and Marth's great grandfather. Anri died heirless, so he became the second king.
Marius, the third king who is almost never mentioned and whose name I actually had to look up, and Marth's grandfather.
Cornelius, the fourth king, and Marth's father.
And then Marth as the fifth and final King of Altea, as once the War of Heroes ended it just became part of the United Kingdom of Archanea, which Marth continued to rule.

 

[The_Naraotor]

I was kinda busy lately did I miss anything ?

 

[Will]

With Gen 8 around the corner, there’s really no reason to advertise Gen 7. Not to mention that Sakurai specifically has mentioned that there was “a slot” reserved for a Gen VII Pokémon to being with.

The slot comment really ****ed people up but in the wrong way. Just because the concept exists (we all knew it clearly did) doesn't mean you can steal it.

unless you're she's a whole thief

 

[Dee Dude]

The slot comment really ****ed people up but in the wrong way. Just because the concept exists (we all knew it clearly did) doesn't mean you can steal it.

unless you're she's a whole thief

Nah, I’m pretty sure a lot of people back in Smash 4 speculation denied the existence of slot.

And it’s much less “stealing” and more so “taking” it before someone else.

 

[osby]

The slot comment really ****ed people up but in the wrong way. Just because the concept exists (we all knew it clearly did) doesn't mean you can steal it.

unless you're she's a whole thief

Why? It's not like Chrom became a clone of Marth, and he wouldn't make sense as a alt to him anyway.

 

[Will]

Nah, I’m pretty sure a lot of people back in Smash 4 speculation denied the existence of slot.

And it’s much less “stealing” and more so “taking” it before someone else.

[insert PTSD of "Dark Pit? Where's Ridley!!!" "Nobody wanted Bowser Jr! He stole K. Rool's slot!"]

Also those two terms mean literally the same thing.

Why? It's not like Chrom became a clone of Marth

the timeline where chrom made it in earlier begs to differ

 

[Deleted member]

Slots are dumb because characters from different series aren't in direct contention with others for slots. Maybe Incineroar was in contention with other Pokemon for a Pokemon slot, but I doubt Isabelle had any effect on say, Isaac's chances

 

[Knight Dude]

...Yeah, I'm not expanding on this current discussion. I just can't.

Not to derail us from this riveting topic, but as far as first-party DLC goes, who would you consider to be the most likely character from the following franchises?










Try to choose characters who you think Nintendo would pick themselves rather than your personal favs.

- Dankey Kang could get Dixie, Funky, or Cranky. Since they're all fairly popular, and advertise a game with a recent Switch port. Though not high on the Advertisement list.

- Unless Mario gets Paper Mario, I have no idea who'd they get at this point, unless we get another joke/weirdo character from Mario.

- Zelda could get either Vaati, Beast Ganon or some BotW dude.

- Metroid has the Prime Hunters, primarily (heh) Sylux the cameo man.

- Kirby's got either B.Dee or some reoccurring villain.

- Pokemon's probably gonna add a Gen 8 new guy or some really popular Pokemon.

- Fire Emblem would get a new 3H character.

- Xenoblade gets either Elma, nothing, or Fiora pulls a Chrom, but has a unique moveset, giving players a reason to spend extra money on her.

 

[FreeFox]

Having 10 playable Pokemon in Smash isn't even enough imo... there are currently 809 different Pokemon, with a lot of them having some good move set potential. They're missing out on some really good ones by limiting it to just 10...

For some reason, I feel the Pokémon void filled with piranha plant. It isnt a new pokemon, but in some ways, it kind of feel like it. And we even gotincineorar so it isnt like it has new representation. Not sure if we will get a new pokemon, but I Will gladly embrace the character.