Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Bye everypeoples

 

[Noipoi]

please reassure me guys that fortnite in smash won't be a thing..

I'm 82% sure Fortnite in Smash won't be a thing.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ya'll have such a fear of things that are actually juggernauts in gaming with moveset potential being in Smash...

But won't bat an eye at things that are just sort of...''Okay you have a sizable fanbase sure, but you're not like exactly lighting the world on fire either."

Ya'll are wild sometimes I swear.

 

[Deleted member]

It won't be a thing.
We're gonna go classic and put PUBG man in instead.

Nah boy. DayZ Guy is in.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

That may seem to be the case, until we look at the other possibilities.

Sure, Nintendo do have Minecraft on board their platforms, but chances are, they may also realize that Steve might not actually be the most hyped for in the Smash community.

So, let's consider this. The N64 Classic being in the works would be a keen reason to get Banjo and Kazooie, striking a beneficial deal with Microsoft on that front.

Similar case with Master Chief, especially if Nintendo say, get MC dlc in Minecraft, or maybe see if Microsoft is willing to pull a Minecraft with the Halo series. It was almost in the DS lineup at some pint after all. And if Final Fantasy VII finally coming to Nintendo territory is any indication, Nintendo are good at burying hatchets.

And with how much of a mess Xbox One and its alleged exclusivity is going, Microsoft have never been more open to the idea.

In fact, one could argue that they get more exposure by not having Minecraft take up all slots of the dlc, instead if being a component of what could plausibly be much, much more.

Okay fair... You make some pretty good arguments
We'll just have to wait and see...

 

[Opossum]

I mean, to me personally, "blocky guy who can terraform and craft and wields a pick axe" sounds a lot more interesting than "bear who shoots eggs out of his bird friend," but maybe that's just me.

 

[Noipoi]

I mean, to me personally, "blocky guy who can terraform and craft and wields a pick axe" sounds a lot more interesting than "bear who shoots eggs out of his bird friend," but maybe that's just me.

I think they're both equally interesting, personally.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

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YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG!

Melmetal's national dex number is 809, meaning it's a Gen 7 Pokemon.

It could still be Gen 8 if it’s like Victini. The worse thing is the index number which is 891 for Meltan. If it were Gen 8, they probably would have started over at 901, like how Gen 6 started over at 701 (Furfrou) and Gen 7 started over at 801 (Mareanie). So unfortunately, Meltan and Melmetal are probably still Gen 7 like you said.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I mean, to me personally, "blocky guy who can terraform and craft and wields a pick axe" sounds a lot more interesting than "bear who shoots eggs out of his bird friend," but maybe that's just me.

Shhhh. Banjo is a gaming icon and Minecraft is a big poopy head.

 

[Diem]

The ballot was rigged
Chosen 2 weeks in
we were cheated and lied to

Most of the ballot votes would have been cast in those two weeks, when it was advertised through official channels, gaming news sites, and fan communities like this one. Similar to how the bulk of a YouTube video's views come from its first week or two. I doubt the results changed drastically between the first two weeks to the very end of the ballot, so I don't think that choosing the character two weeks after the ballot started meant anything was "cheated." It was simply working ahead, rather than waiting until the very end and then starting work. Which makes sense, given that Smash Wii U sold very poorly compared to previous entries, hence why Ultimate was conceived that year.

The ballot started like 6-7 months after Bayonetta 2 came out. There was a lot of support for her during that time, including from major YouTubers like Maximillian. Even if the game didn't sell spectacularly, because it was on the Wii U, of course, there was still a strong support base for her during that period, especially among the hardcore gamers who were active at the time.

I don't think Sakurai was lying at all when he stated Bayonetta's performance on the ballot. She was a unique, popular, and Nintendo-exclusive character that came at the right time with the right amount of support. It's easy to question it in retrospect now that much of the Smash community has turned against her due to her dominance in the metagame, but back then, it was a very different atmosphere.

Cloud also did really well on the ballot according to Sakurai, getting more votes than any other FF character, and he's been requested since basically the beginning of time, so adding him made sense, ballot or no.

 

[Kuon]

She'd be the result of pure business, and business alone. Barely anybody in the community knew about, let alone asked for her before this. She has absolutely no significance to Nintendo or videogames in general. Tell me why she SHOULD be in Smash.

Barely anyone in the American community knew her, but that's not the case in the Japanese community. Also, while this doesn't specifically apply to her, we don't have many female newcomers, or female characters in general, so more are welcomed

 

[Pyra]

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YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG!

Melmetal's national dex number is 809, meaning it's a Gen 7 Pokemon.

Why, cause it comes before the starters?

Is Victini gen 4?

 

[KiBom]

please reassure me guys that fortnite in smash won't be a thing..

It's possible although unlikely. It also wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Could have a very fun moveset.

 

[osby]

Ya'll have such a fear of things are actually juggernauts in gaming with moveset potential being in Smash...

But won't bat an eye at things that are just sort of...''Okay you have a sizable fanbase sure, but you're not like exactly lighting the world on fire either."

Ya'll are wild sometimes I swear.

Were that juggernauts on Gamecube, SNES or N64, hmm? Think so. I'm sure none of them will be a thing in 60 years, unlike *looks the smudged writing on hand* Banwho and Kazowhat.

 

[WaddleMatt]

Barely anyone in the American community knew her, but that's not the case in the Japanese community. Also, while this doesn't specifically apply to her, we don't have many female newcomers, or female characters in general, so more are welcomed

I don't think we should add a character because of its gender.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I mean, to me personally, "blocky guy who can terraform and craft and wields a pick axe" sounds a lot more interesting than "bear who shoots eggs out of his bird friend," but maybe that's just me.

Nah, that isn't just you... I'd prefer Steve too

Ya'll have such a fear of things that are actually juggernauts in gaming with moveset potential being in Smash...

But won't bat an eye at things that are just sort of...''Okay you have a sizable fanbase sure, but you're not like exactly lighting the world on fire either."

Ya'll are wild sometimes I swear.

Preach it

 

[Deleted member]

We are getting the Fantastic Four as fighters and you will love them.

Superman too.

 

[Pyra]

please reassure me guys that fortnite in smash won't be a thing..

It's already confirmed every character will have a fortnite dance emote, so

 

[Palarm]

It's possible although unlikely. It also wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Could have a very fun moveset.

It's more the perception smash could receive if it were in the game, I think it would put alot of people off due to the stigma around fortnite

 

[Pakky]

Counter argument to Katalina being bad.

She's in a bikini for one of her outfits... There, I've won you over.

Argument on the behalf of Steve.

Memes... Now you can applaud me.

 

[KiBom]

How was Katalina deconfirmed?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Counter argument to Katalina being bad.

She's in a bikini for one of her outfits... There, I've won you over.

We don't need a repeat of Sunday night on this thread

 

[Deleted member]

Why do y'all gotta slam Banjo so much we have it hard enough

 

[osby]

Most of the ballot votes would have been cast in those two weeks, when it was advertised through official channels, gaming news sites, and fan communities like this one. Similar to how the bulk of a YouTube video's views come from its first week or two. I doubt the results changed drastically between the first two weeks to the very end of the ballot, so I don't think that choosing the character two weeks after the ballot started meant anything was "cheated." It was simply working ahead, rather than waiting until the very end and then starting work. Which makes sense, given that Smash Wii U sold very poorly compared to previous entries, hence why Ultimate was conceived that year.

The ballot started like 6-7 months after Bayonetta 2 came out. There was a lot of support for her during that time, including from major YouTubers like Maximillian. Even if the game didn't sell spectacularly, because it was on the Wii U, of course, there was still a strong support base for her during that period, especially among the hardcore gamers who were active at the time.

I don't think Sakurai was lying at all when he stated Bayonetta's performance on the ballot. She was a unique, popular, and Nintendo-exclusive character that came at the right time with the right amount of support. It's easy to question it in retrospect now that much of the Smash community has turned against her due to her dominance in the metagame, but back then, it was a very different atmosphere.

Cloud also did really well on the ballot according to Sakurai, getting more votes than any other FF character, and he's been requested since basically the beginning of time, so adding him made sense, ballot or no.

Can I print and frame this?

 

[Deleted member]

Counter argument to Katalina being bad.

She's in a bikini for one of her outfits... There, I've won you over.

Not good enough for me.
I would prefer Crash and a Zero Suit Samus skin which gives them the Fantastic Four uniform.

 

[Noipoi]

Why, cause it comes before the starters?

Is Victini gen 4?

Yes.

Seriously, it could be Gen 8. but LGPE are gen 7 games so i'm pretty sure it's gen 7.

 

[Pyra]

Anyway, Melmetal will be our gen 9 rep. I rest my case.

Gen 10 will be pretty awesome to see in Ultimate tbh

 

[Deleted member]

Counter argument to Katalina being bad.

She's in a bikini for one of her outfits... There, I've won you over.

I mean, this was possible in Smash 4 and in Ultimate and they are both E10+ games.

 

[DraginHikari]

The ballot was rigged
Chosen 2 weeks in
we were cheated and lied to

You're kind of dropping into conspiracy land there and making quite a few assumptions with not much evidence to support it. The only statement that is likely true is your 2nd one, where Bayonetta was likely chosen earlier then originally stated. Frankly, the most likely thing that happened is Bayonetta did well enough in the Ballot that they could use it as a point of focus during her announcement. If Bayonetta had indeed not done well in the ballot they likely just would of not mentioned the ballot at all. They likely took advantage of a situation that just happened to occur. It makes far less to me that the entire ballot was rigged just to give a few taglines on an announcement they already had planned.

I'm going to go with Occam's Razor on this one. Cheating and lying requires some kind of evidence they we were indeed lied to or the information was misrepresented. I've seen no evidence to this being the case since we do not have the ballot results to compared to and most statements related to the ballot itself have been pretty vague at best with very few promises being made about it.

 

[Pyra]

Yes.

Seriously, it could be Gen 8. but LGPE are gen 7 games so i'm pretty sure it's gen 7.

Wanna bet on it?

 

[Deleted member]

Personally I’m of the opinion that Bayonetta has being heavily considered for DLC even before the ballot and likely would have been in anyway, but she did decent enough on the ballot for them to pull the trigger in the first week or so.

 

[Noipoi]

Wanna bet on it?

Toaster please I can't afford to lose another Birthday

 

[beans]

Counter argument to Katalina being bad.

She's in a bikini for one of her outfits... There, I've won you over.

Argument on the behalf of Steve.

Memes... Now you can applaud me.

Please, I'm a man of culture.
bunny suit with egg weapons or go back to gacha hell

 

[okamifire]

How was Katalina deconfirmed?

From https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjoug.../just_a_quick_update_not_answering_questions/ ,

"I made a mistake with Katalina, thinking she was confirmed, and at this point, a lot of things are pointing to the deal not being about smash, but something more than that now. I will go into more detail in the updated thread in the future about that, but for now, please be patient. "

 

[Graizen]

Game :
Predictions / Dreams for 3 DLC slots

1 - Bandai Namco : Heihachi / Klonoa
2 - Square Enix : Erdrick / Crono
3 - Microsoft : Steve / Steve

 

[Pakky]

From https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjoug.../just_a_quick_update_not_answering_questions/ ,

"I made a mistake with Katalina, thinking she was confirmed, and at this point, a lot of things are pointing to the deal not being about smash, but something more than that now. I will go into more detail in the updated thread in the future about that, but for now, please be patient. "

NOOOOOO I bet on the wrong horse D:

 

[KiBom]

I mean, this was possible in Smash 4 and in Ultimate and they are both E10+ games.
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She looks so not human in these.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, this was possible in Smash 4 and in Ultimate and they are both E10+ games.
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What do we need to do to give her a Justin Bailey alt? I need that to be a thing.

Besides that, i am fine with these two skins, but they don’t justify a spot for a newcomer.
A newcomer needs to attract for stuff that isn’t a bikini skin, because then anything could literally join just by that alone.

A newcomer needs appeal, cool movesets with a balanced use of it and also any relation with Nintendo.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Game :
Predictions / Dreams for 3 DLC slots

1 - Bandai Namco : Heihachi / Klonoa
2 - Square Enix : Erdrick / Crono
3 - Microsoft : Steve / Steve

Steve is so likely, that you put him down twice...

 

[Pakky]

Game :
Predictions / Dreams for 3 DLC slots

1 - Bandai Namco : AGUMON
2 - Square Enix : Erdrick / Crono
3 - Microsoft : Steve / Steve

You missspelled it Keep the faith buddy if not now then Someday