Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Dyllybirdy]

You know, still baffled I haven't gotten into an argument about why or why not 2B could be in Smash, even before we found out when DLC would be decided.

Heh, speaking of 2B, I heard someone say that they thought Zelda in the World of Light trailer, was voiced by Kira Buckland, who also voiced 2B.

I dunno.

 

[Condenir]

I’m giggling at the thought of all the DLC being first party. Honestly watch it happen, everywhere on the thread I see people mainly saying it will be exclusively 3rd party...and I feel as tho the smash community is NOTORIOUS for being wrong(grinch leak) so watch Sakurai fool us all once again and just give us 5 1st party newcomers. Giggling

(I obviously understand this is extremely unlikely but I just know there is no way in 1,000,000 years I could guess all 5 newcomers. Just funny)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Let's see...
The chairs obviously meant Skull Kid...
DK is making that pose that Karate Joe did in Rhythm Heaven Fever
The clouds in K.Rool's Trailer are referencing Rayman
Sakurai bought a mech for research, it's gotta be Elma

I'm mocking this and all, but I did believe the latter one for a while

Guile's Theme

He just wanted an excuse to buy it so that his wife doesn't chastise him for spending money on it...

Meanwhile, some stupid journalists actually thought it was newsworthy. There's a reason Sakurai had stopped tweeting about games he likes for a good bit.

You're all pretty argumentative right now, aren't you?

You know, still baffled I haven't gotten into an argument about why or why not 2B could be in Smash, even before we found out when DLC would be decided.

I haven't even had to do something as outrageous as state why Don chan could be a fighter.
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Instead, we've argued about characters that actually make sense and all have high chances, treating them as entirely unlikely or impossible in favor of another character, with all these headcanons about how smash works.

Yeah, there really isn't much to do until the VGA next month. People have completely forgotten about the blog, when it's still being updated.

I’m giggling at the thought of all the DLC being first party. Honestly watch it happen, everywhere on the thread I see people mainly saying it will be exclusively 3rd party...and I feel as tho the smash community is NOTORIOUS for being wrong(grinch leak) so watch Sakurai fool us all once again and just give us 5 1st party newcomers. Giggling

(I obviously understand this is extremely unlikely but I just know there is no way in 1,000,000 years I could guess all 5 newcomers. Just funny)

I can easily see Sakurai logic messing with everyone's expectations yet again. Stranger things have happened though. Arcadenik

Which is good, because I'm not entirely sure I'm mentally ready to see Minecraft stuff in Smash...

 

[Deleted member]

I’m giggling at the thought of all the DLC being first party. Honestly watch it happen, everywhere on the thread I see people mainly saying it will be exclusively 3rd party...and I feel as tho the smash community is NOTORIOUS for being wrong(grinch leak) so watch Sakurai fool us all once again and just give us 5 1st party newcomers. Giggling

(I obviously understand this is extremely unlikely but I just know there is no way I’m 1,000,000 years I could guess all 5 newcomers. Just funny)

The newcomers is they're all 1st party:
Elma
Elma
Elma
Elma
tatsu

 

[Condenir]

The newcomers is they're all 1st party:
Elma
Elma
Elma
Elma
tatsu

A genuine dream come true <3

 

[GoeGoe]

People make it all about repping things, when really this is a video game that needs to play well, and provide a variety of experiences for any one player to enjoy. If it was about representing, and ONLY representing different series, Smash wouldn’t be what it is, plain and simple.

Characters, and the representation of game series and character is absolutely important to Smash. The game is based on using our favorite characters against each other in familiar atmospheres and listening to familiar tunes while doing it. This often gives us a feeling that certain things are added to represent something from the series.

The problem with representing series, ONLY THROUGH CHARACTERS, like Smash character speculation always does, is that it dumbs down characters to only being picked for one reason. Every other reason, like roster diversity in design, ability, and archetype, is that it basically lumps it into, “TRhe Pokémon cast represents Pokémon.” In reality, Pikachu himself doesn’t not represent Mewtwo. Mewtwo represent Mewtwo. Characters are not adding to be a “rep”. They are added because the design team decides, “Hey, a character who does this would be cool”, and they decide on a character.

There’s also added relevance at the time of addition, or popularity, but arguably I would argue the most important factors are what the characters can do and, well, who they are. Just like any single person, it’s not like every character fits any single mold. Everyone is different.

For example, Piranha Plant definitely get in by the standard of, “Series staple, is popular, is a must-add for the Super Mario series”. Piranha Plant very likely was added because it was an oddball addition like Game & Watch and Wii Fit Trainer (oddball as in completely unexpected) but I also provided attributes that allowed it to not only have a unique move-set, but also a unique play style. That’s an important distinction to make.

Basically, I wish the word “rep” would die in a fire. Sure, it’s just a word. But that word just dumbs down what makes some character suggestions/ideas/additions so great. Everyone was just concerned about who would get in for various series, and ignored what certain characters could do. Incineroar, for example, doesn’t even seem like a Pokémon. He’s almost entirely wrestler based, which allows him to show personality and that Heel Wrestler design that is exclusive to Incineroar.

Sure, characters come from series. But characters should be looked at as individuals, rather than just bits of a larger whole.

Keywords: variety, unique move-set, unique play style. Is what I look for. So do you agree that most of Fire Emblem "chars" were a mistake? I honestly do.

 

[NineS]

I think people only argue with "threats". As if they're convincing themselves your character pick has a lower chance than their character pick just as much as they're trying to convince you.

When you ask for 2B or I ask for Hawke, people are just thinking, "Aw, that's adorable. Now back to that Geno discussion."

In the buildup to Smash 4, I remember getting a lot of flack here for daring to ask for Daisy. She's undeserving, just another Peach, just from sports games, isn't Geno, etc. That's because she actually had a tangible chance of "usurping" a more "deserving" character, since she was a well-known Nintendo property.

Man, I can't stand that flawed way of arguments. Convincing yourself and others what you want to believe instead of testing how likely they are yourself by doing all you can to disprove yourself.

Daisy getting in, even if I didn't have a preference, was satisfying. It showed that even the characters people don't want, but still have vocal fans that won't give up can make it in.

 

[Deleted member]

Keywords: variety, unique move-set, unique play style. Is what I look for. So do you agree that most of Fire Emblem "chars" were a mistake? I honestly do.

tbh 4 characters deriving off of ONE moveset bothers me very much
Corrin (although I heard he's an awful character in his game) Robin and Ike are cool though

 

[Idon]

Keywords: variety, unique move-set, unique play style. Is what I look for. So do you agree that most of Fire Emblem "chars" were a mistake? I honestly do.

Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but cutting out words from a person's mouth and reposting without context probably isn't the best way to get that across.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I’m giggling at the thought of all the DLC being first party. Honestly watch it happen, everywhere on the thread I see people mainly saying it will be exclusively 3rd party...and I feel as tho the smash community is NOTORIOUS for being wrong(grinch leak) so watch Sakurai fool us all once again and just give us 5 1st party newcomers. Giggling

(I obviously understand this is extremely unlikely but I just know there is no way in 1,000,000 years I could guess all 5 newcomers. Just funny)

I'm hoping they're all third party not just because muh Dante, but because I know a guy who's an absolute asshole in every way imaginable and he was really upset about third parties still existing so I want to spite him hard. Guy wants me and anyone like me dead so I feel I'm allowed to be spiteful

 

[Deleted member]

unique move-set, unique play style.

This describes every Fire Emblem character except for Lucina and Chrom.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Two things.

1. The only thing I will miss about trophies is that it was pretty cool seeing retro characters in HD.

2. This was my ad last night:

 

[staindgrey]

The newcomers is they're all 1st party:
Elma
Elma
Elma
Elma
tatsu

Get that ****ing Tatsu out of here and you have a deal.

 

[Idon]

Two things.

1. The only thing I will miss about trophies is that it was pretty cool seeing retro characters in HD.

2. This was my ad last night:

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This has been my ad
For every single youtube video
For the past 3 months.

 

[Royalty1702]

I respect your choice but I still don't get why he's high on demand. My only guess is that fans are suggesting to Sakurai the obvious, which he usually don't look at. Like, hey Sakurai, that's your game, that's your charcater.. choose him.

I think a few of the reasons people, like me, want BWD is because he's the fourth most prominent character in Kirby and he has a really simple but good design to distinguish himself from the other Dees. His personality goes against what Waddle Dees are supposed to be. On the Japanese side of things, well, same reasons plus he's a Waddle Dee and Waddle Dees as a species are iconic and marketable as **** in Japan.

That being said, I'm not saying that good design and being prominent is our only reasons, just one of the major one's.

 

[FalcoXP]

Two things.

1. The only thing I will miss about trophies is that it was pretty cool seeing retro characters in HD.

2. This was my ad last night:

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Upvoting you for the cool signature

 

[Deleted member]

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It never crossed my mind until now, but this movie is just called "The Grinch." Even the Jim Carrey version used the full title.

 

[staindgrey]

This has been my ad
For every single youtube video
For the past 3 months.

And those ads are why I have Youtube Red Whatever They Call It Now.

Well that and it's how I get all my music now. Mainly the music. No ads is a nice bonus.

 

[GoeGoe]

1. Rainbow Curse came out two years ago and Battle Royale one year ago.

2. My thing is that I don't know how he would play. Captain Toad mainly relies on Power-Ups while characters like BWD uses his spear and parasol. Even Piranha Plant has shown his own attacks without the use of Power-Ups. Don't get me wrong, using Power-Ups is alright but if that's your only way of attack then I'll just be confused.

Then again, Falcon's moveset came out of thin air, so I guess this point is moot.

I think besides that Captain Toad's alright.

XD You're a smart fella
I meant that it won't be long too before you see Kirby use it again.
Yeah, who has ever worried about moves? That's Sakurai's job. Similarly though (not because the moves), BWD is alright but still confusing.

 

[staindgrey]

It never crossed my mind until now, but this movie is just called "The Grinch." Even the Jim Carrey version used the full title.

Maybe it's because I'm old now, but something about this Grinch remake bothers me.

I don't know if it's his design, his VA, the type of comedy shown in the trailers so far, the almost monochrome coloring style outside of the Grinch's GREEN, the fact that it's basically unneeded or the fact that I'm getting old and grumpy.

Most will say it's the old and grumpy thing.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

The newcomers is they're all 1st party:
Elma
Elma
Elma
Elma
tatsu

(Or woman... I don't want to assume things)
Nice to see support for Elma still going strong

It never crossed my mind until now, but this movie is just called "The Grinch." Even the Jim Carrey version used the full title.

They probably just don't want people to be confused about 4 different things with the title "How the Grinch Stole Christmas"

We've got the original 1957 book
the 1966 Chuck Jones tv Special
The 2000 Live Action Jim Carrey movie
And if they kept the original title, the 2018 animated film

I easily understand why they simplified the title to just "The Grinch"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Does anyone know what time preloaded games tend to get used? I'm hoping it's up right on midnight but idk

 

[Michele]

GameXplain analyzes the new Story Mode. (Before you ask me, I'd rather call it a Story, and not Adventure. It just feels a bit wrong, given that this is a Fighting game.) There are too many things for me to say, so someone can kindly sum it up for me.

 

[Deleted member]

Crash Bandicoot and Spyro have a lot of unique characters. If they were Nintendo franchises, i could see these characters playable in Smash:

-Crash
-Spyro
-Coco
-Cynder
-Neo Cortex
-Ripto
-N.Gin
-Gnasty Gnorc
-Hunter
-Crunch
-The Professor
-N.Trance


And a long etc...

 

[MSmariosonic]

GameXplain analyzes the new Story Mode. (Before you ask me, I'd rather call it a Story, and not Adventure. It just feels a bit wrong, given that this is a Fighting game.) There are too many things for me to say, so someone can kindly sum it up for me.

It feels more like an adventure mode if you ask me

Especially when comparing the amount of cutscenes to Subspace Emissary

 

[Cutie Gwen]

GameXplain analyzes the new Story Mode. (Before you ask me, I'd rather call it a Story, and not Adventure. It just feels a bit wrong, given that this is a Fighting game.) There are too many things for me to say, so someone can kindly sum it up for me.

I'm 35 minutes in and it's mostly looking at details of the maps and puzzles while speculating. Also some explanations for Spirits you fight like Palutena and Ganondorf being a Fire Emblem 3 reference

 

[The_Naraotor]

How? Mage isn't really a fighting game archetype. Three Miis we have are, though: Close, medium, long range combat.

Don't care that's just sounds cool

 

[Cereal Bawks]

You know, still baffled I haven't gotten into an argument about why or why not 2B could be in Smash

Well that's because 2B is a good character and Nier Automata is a good game. Everyone wants 2B in Smash, so no one is gonna argue with you.

 

[Roberto zampari]

Do you think that "World of Light" will surprass the Brawl's "Subspace Emissary"?
The Mario Party theme was a nice touch.

 

[Deleted member]

Seriously, Crash and Spyro have a a diverse cast of characters.

Only a few games like Kirby or Donkey Kong Country can say that too.

 

[Royalty1702]

The JP version of the Direct says it's not a story mode.

 

[Deleted member]

Man I’d love Travis as dlc. I think he could have an interesting moveset, he’s relevant, nintendo considered Travis strikes again important enough to show at the January switch conference, suda and Sakurai are friends. I feel like he’s got a chance.

 

[Deleted member]

Does anyone know what time preloaded games tend to get used? I'm hoping it's up right on midnight but idk

You'll be able to boot it up on midnight launch day.

 

[Deleted member]

The JP version of the Direct says it's not a story mode.

It’s a mode, with a story.

So it kind of is.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Do you think that "World of Light" will surprass the Brawl's "Subspace Emissary"?
The Mario Overworld was a nice touch.

It fixes **** Subspace does wrong but it's lack of platforming and unique enemies to fight while understandable, will be missed

 

[GoeGoe]

tbh 4 characters deriving off of ONE moveset bothers me very much
Corrin (although I heard he's an awful character in his game) Robin and Ike are cool though

You have no idea XD I'd say those are cool too, I didn't bother DLing Corrin though.

Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but cutting out words from a person's mouth and reposting without context probably isn't the best way to get that across.

So I was asking myself, should I reply? Why did he quote a reply that wasn't directed to him? why the defense stance?.. then I looked at your profile. Ok dude, chill. I read the whole thing. Honestly I think you didn't, as I didn't take anything out of context.

This describes every Fire Emblem character except for Lucina and Chrom.

I'm guessing that's a joke, right?

I think a few of the reasons people, like me, want BWD is because he's the fourth most prominent character in Kirby and he has a really simple but good design to distinguish himself from the other Dees. His personality goes against what Waddle Dees are supposed to be. On the Japanese side of things, well, same reasons plus he's a Waddle Dee and Waddle Dees as a species are iconic and marketable as **** in Japan.
That being said, I'm not saying that good design and being prominent is our only reasons, just one of the major one's.

That's my point, he's the 4th. Ok, so may I ask this, if only Kirby was in Smash, who'd you personally want next in Smash form the Kirby series? Meta, DDD or BWD. Also, just poinitng, when you say marketable, you're again, stating the obvious to Sakurai. I'm very sure he's well aware. I'm looking for what you want not Sakurai.

 

[Roberto zampari]

It fixes **** Subspace does wrong but it's lack of platforming and unique enemies to fight while understandable, will be missed

What Subspace Emissary does wrong? Explain me.

 

[Aerospherology]

Make a bet for if your most-wanted character isn't DLC.

I'll delete my account if Steve isn't announced at Minecon 2019 (or earlier).

 

[ZephyrZ]

One of the only reasons the FE roster is so "bloated" is because of "Everyone is Here". If that's the price we have to pay to get Snake back then so be it. Not that I don't enjoy playing as all of them.

And complaining about clones/echoes is so 2016.

 

[Deleted member]

Make a bet for if your most-wanted character isn't DLC.

I'll delete my account if Steve isn't announced at Minecon 2019 (or earlier).

I will 100% Enter The Dragonfly without the use of glitches if i don’t get Sora or Banjo in Smash.
If Crash joins, i want to be mod for a day.