Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Dyllybirdy]

Okay, i'm dropping the whole Game and Watch Side Smash thing....
Sorry about that


So....
If there were a Smash 6, who would be the newcomers?

Um, if recent trends are anything to go by:

A baby Metroid, a Bob-Omb, maybe a Thwomp...

 

[Starbound]

Okay but is that racist or just politically incorrect? They aren't synonyms.

In current year, they might as well be.

I love a good outrage culture ;/

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

So at this point, YouTube on Switch is pretty much confirmed, Spawn's seen a lot of stuff get confirmed on it, especially with it being on Nintendo's site.

Looks like we have a 10-0 streak now.

Your spawn obsession's getting kinda creepy.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

This alongside Magmoor Caverns/Lower Norfair tells me they're adding in overdue songs. Though Dark Samus' battle theme seems to be a new glaring omission

I knew that we were finally getting overdue songs when we got that Guile's Theme remix in the direct....

 

[RyuhoFox]

Germany has banned the Swastika in general.

That being said, getting mad about "Cultural Appropriation" is silly if you aren't actually a member of that culture yourself.

Remember when that girl got flamed for wearing a Qipao to her prom, and there was a big hullabaloo about it? When actual Chinese people were asked about it, none of them seemed to care, the general response being "Oh, that's cute. It's a nice dress."

I remember that one guy that played that eastern flute instrument during the reveal of that SuckerPunch samurai game had people crying about that while not even knowing what the instrument was. Before finding out he is basically one of the best players of that instrument in the world and officially recognized as such by people from that culture at that.
The people decrying it had little to no actual knowledge of the culture they were supposedly defending. :/

But honestly this is probably the last Im saying on this. I came to argue about furry fox girls, potted plants, and mystical key wielding teenagers and that's what Im gonna do

 

[Deleted member]

Well, looks like I missed a stupid conversation about Game and Watch. Good.

Anyways, I am the only one who prefers Spirits to Trophies?

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

...I thought this thread was for talking about Smash.

And I thought this thread was for talking about Box Theory.

 

[ErenJager]

Doesn't that still deconfirm him though?
The only way he still has a chance is if Smash Tag icons for characters don't use their Smash Ultimate renders.

Spirits are essentially trophies. Trophies did not deconfirm characters in Smash 4. Trophies existed of Lucas and Mewtwo before they became playable. Plus all playable characters have multiple trophies usually any way. KKR is a spirit and playable character in ultimate as well.

If anything the Geno image/ icon is a good sign. There is very little square content in smash ultimate.. This at least shows Sakurai still has licensing or rights to Geno or Geno's likeness... Perhaps in a capacity that extends to being playable DLC. Who knows.

DLC characters project plan has been decided. However the renders and models for those characters have not been made yet. Which is why Geno doesnt use a 3D model on his supposed spirit.

 

[Starbound]

So at this point, YouTube on Switch is pretty much confirmed, Spawn's seen a lot of stuff get confirmed on it, especially with it being on Nintendo's site.

Looks like we have a 10-0 streak now.

Are we really counting Youtube for him considering everyone knew it was coming to Switch? It was always a matter of when, not if.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So its inevitable that the game will eventually be hacked and unused content will be discovered? What do you guys think we'll find?

It won't surprise me if Dixie and Isaac were planned but then cut.

 

[Will]

Final comment on the whole fiasco: Seems pretty inflated. I wouldn't consider it racist, just politically incorrect for modern times, maybe even insensitive if you're that offended. Should it be removed? Depends on how Nintendo feels, but I'm pretty confident in a big nah in the mean time.

but that's just me though, i'll gladly be burned at the stake

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Anyways, I am the only one who prefers Spirits to Trophies?

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of them quite a bit, so potentially, but we'll have to wait and see till the game comes out, before I can decide fully.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Getting to see Viridi move and talk on the Reset Bomb Forest stage in full HD is absolutely amazing

 

[CannonStreak]

So its inevitable that the game will eventually be hacked and unused content will be discovered? What do you guys think we'll find?

It won't surprise me if Dixie and Isaac were planned but then cut.

Neither will I be surprised. I can't see many characters being cut, since we have all past veterans and the newcomer roster was not supposed to be that big. But seeing who was cut will be interesting.

 

[Will]

So its inevitable that the game will eventually be hacked and unused content will be discovered? What do you guys think we'll find?

It won't surprise me if Dixie and Isaac were planned but then cut.

I'm waiting for the mods to come out, because this game obviously has a long shelf life ahead of it since it's early in the Switch's reign. Wii U didn't get full character mods, but I wonder if this one can.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So its inevitable that the game will eventually be hacked and unused content will be discovered? What do you guys think we'll find?

It won't surprise me if Dixie and Isaac were planned but then cut.

Chorus kids being planned once again...

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

So its inevitable that the game will eventually be hacked and unused content will be discovered? What do you guys think we'll find?

It won't surprise me if Dixie and Isaac were planned but then cut.

Maybe unused code...some unused textures or even models. I recon that we'll get mods on the first day, like Super Mario Party.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Chorus kids being planned once again...

Ah yes that's another obvious one I can see.

 

[CHAMPIONX9]

What do you think Native Americans were doing before Europeans arrived? They obviously were genociding other cultures and tribes in small scale wars.

I don't think that's true, but whatever.

Starting soon.

What can I expect from this broadcast? Are we getting single player mode, or was that another one?

 

[Starbound]

I mean, yes...

But i'ts kinda like those banned WWII Disney and Looney Tunes cartoons involving Nazis and racist Japanese caricatures...
Sure they're representing an interesting part of history...
But they really shouldn't be brought up nowadays

Yes because we can learn from them.

These are always fantastic talking points for that reason. As a teacher, I always make a point of showing one of these off in my WW2 classes because they show how much we've changed as a society when dealing with racism, how anti-racist efforts have and are making changes, and the work we still have left to do.

Spoiler: potentially uncomfortable Canadian history

I live in Canada where my government killed 40,000 children of my cultural background in a government schooling system after taking them away from their parents at gunpoint over the spam of 150 years so racism is something I understand deeply. This is all part of the reconciliation process because we can't shove the past under a rug anymore and pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Yes because we can learn from them.

These are always fantastic talking points for that reason. As a teacher, I always make a point of showing one of these off in my WW2 classes because they show how much we've changed as a society when dealing with racism, how anti-racist efforts have and are making changes, and the work we still have left to do.

I live in Canada where my government killed 40,000 children of my cultural background in a government schooling system after taking them away from their parents at gunpoint over the spam of 150 years so racism is something I understand deeply. This is all part of the reconciliation process because we can't shove the past under a rug anymore and pretend it doesn't exist.

Can we drop this please? I already apologized and everything...
thanks...

 

[Starbound]

Your spawn obsession's getting kinda creepy.

You should see how he is with Scott the Woz!

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I live in Canada where my government killed 40,000 children of my cultural background in a government schooling system after taking them away from their parents at gunpoint over the spam of 150 years so racism is something I understand deeply. This is all part of the reconciliation process because we can't shove the past under a rug anymore and pretend it doesn't exist.

I have a splendid idea, let's just not talk about that kind of stuff here... like ever.

 

[Starbound]

Can we drop this please? I already apologized and everything...
thanks...

Yeah sorry about that.

This thread is super laggy for me right now and I haven't seen your other post yet.

 

[CallMeKnux]

So its inevitable that the game will eventually be hacked and unused content will be discovered? What do you guys think we'll find?

It won't surprise me if Dixie and Isaac were planned but then cut.

Wouldn't be surprised if some stuff for future DLC gets dug up, like with Roy and Ryu.

 

[ShadowGamer193]

Isaac were planned but then cut.

This would absolutely hurt my soul more than it is now. Knowing how close we were, only to have him ripped away. Also the fact that he would’ve supposedly been such low priority to be cut in the first place when he has so much potential I’m still hoping somehow, someway, Isaac will be the first AT and Playable character

 

[Deleted member]

Yes because we can learn from them.

These are always fantastic talking points for that reason. As a teacher, I always make a point of showing one of these off in my WW2 classes because they show how much we've changed as a society when dealing with racism, how anti-racist efforts have and are making changes, and the work we still have left to do.

Spoiler: potentially uncomfortable Canadian history

I live in Canada where my government killed 40,000 children of my cultural background in a government schooling system after taking them away from their parents at gunpoint over the spam of 150 years so racism is something I understand deeply. This is all part of the reconciliation process because we can't shove the past under a rug anymore and pretend it doesn't exist.

Hey here's an idea! How about you just drop it, alright?

 

[Will]

I don't think that's true, but whatever.

Oh yeah, civil wars were a thing in the native times. Tribes beating other tribes for certain reasons and whatnot, it's pretty interesting.

 

[CannonStreak]

Yes because we can learn from them.

These are always fantastic talking points for that reason. As a teacher, I always make a point of showing one of these off in my WW2 classes because they show how much we've changed as a society when dealing with racism, how anti-racist efforts have and are making changes, and the work we still have left to do.

Spoiler

I live in Canada where my government killed 40,000 children of my cultural background in a government schooling system after taking them away from their parents at gunpoint over the spam of 150 years so racism is something I understand deeply. This is all part of the reconciliation process because we can't shove the past under a rug anymore and pretend it doesn't exist.

Oh my god, that is terrible! Even though you weren't one of them, I am sorry to hear that!

But yeah, some things are too intense to let go, too horrible to just let die. In those cases, sweeping them under the rug like they never happened is not enough. Perhaps some bad things in history will haunt our minds for a long time, maybe forever. Sad, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

 

[KMDP]

The people decrying it had little to no actual knowledge of the culture they were supposedly defending. :/

This about sums up all instances of "Cultural Appropriation".

And that's the end of that discussion.

...I thought this thread was for talking about Smash.

It is.

People are complaining about a feather on Game & Watch's head during his side smash.

Anyways, I am the only one who prefers Spirits to Trophies?

There's good parts about the Trophies (they look nice and are fun to collect), but the Spirits serve an actual game play purpose.

I'd say Spirits are probably better.

 

[TreeBranch]

So its inevitable that the game will eventually be hacked and unused content will be discovered? What do you guys think we'll find?

It won't surprise me if Dixie and Isaac were planned but then cut.

I don't think we'll see any cut characters, as those seem to be DLC. We could maybe see some cut stages though, such as Mute City

 

[Starbound]

I'm waiting for the mods to come out, because this game obviously has a long shelf life ahead of it since it's early in the Switch's reign. Wii U didn't get full character mods, but I wonder if this one can.

If we do get mods for this, I really want a Flowey one for Piranha Plant.

If I can't get Sans this is the next best thing.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Hey here's an idea! Let's never talk about this ever again! How's that?!

Hey, here's an idea!

I have a splendid idea, let's just not talk about that kind of stuff here... like ever.

Don't plagiarise my posts.

 

[CallMeKnux]

Smash Live tournament just started.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

Okay, i'm dropping the whole Game and Watch Side Smash thing....
Sorry about that


So....
If there were a Smash 6, who would be the newcomers?

Feels like Shy Guy will have a good shot for the next Smash game; would finally give the Yoshi series a new rep too!

Well, looks like I missed a stupid conversation about Game and Watch. Good.

Anyways, I am the only one who prefers Spirits to Trophies?

I liked trophies back in Melee the most probably, but over the years, they became less special and more of a checklist, especially with Wii U's nearly 750 count including DLC trophies. Spirits at least have a gameplay purpose, which is something I was hoping we would see with Ultimate's collectibles, and from what I've seen so far, they look really great.

 

[TreeBranch]

If we do get mods for this, I really want a Flowey one for Piranha Plant.

If I can't get Sans this is the next best thing.

The Chorus Kids could've had the perfect Sans mod...

 

[Zinith]

Wii U had a Boshi mod. Hope it comes back

 

[Mrplutoguy112]

once November 11th comes around what do u expect to see in this direct?

-New Characters
-New Stages
-More info on world of Light
-Seeing all the Internet leaks come true
-Sakurai allowing a demo of the game to switch buyers to play for 10 mins or less
-More music tracks
-More Modes

Maybe all seven are litmited to possibilities for this next schedule event direct on Nov 11th.

According to the direct on Thursday there was an announcement of 5 more characters added to the roaster that will be shown off next direct if I’m not mistaken.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't think we'll see any cut characters, as those seem to be DLC. We could maybe see some cut stages though, such as Mute City

Only one that I could see coming to mind is Chorus Kids tho. I'd imagine the reason for them being cut again is due to gaming mechanics on how they play.

 

[vaanrose]

I mean...EVERYONE in the Game and Watch world has big teeth.

Honestly, you can tell a lot of this controversy is contrived because it's the Red G&W sprite that keeps getting shared. That's just disingenuous and trying to make it look more intentionally offensive than it is.

Every single G&W sprite has a giant nose and a big smile. It's unfortunate that this means the sprite highly resembles Chief Wahoo and similar stereotypes, but it's also entirely coincidental.