Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TheLastJinjo]

And Sakurai would still be working on characters. And he also has the ability to contact the other teams of Nintendo so he would likely know about stuff coming out. He works in the same company after all.

And with Smash 5 still in the works and Fire Emblem 16 practically out by the end of the year, same as Smash, and Pokemon Switch/Gen 8 on its ways to at least be revealed at E3, chances are very high for both.

I didn't say it can't happen. You're acting like this is the equivalent of Roy appearing in Melee.

This would be the equivalent of Blaziken appearing in Melee.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I didn't say it can't happen. You're acting like this is the equivalent of Roy appearing in Melee.

This would be the equivalent of Blaziken appearing in Melee.

Well an FE16 character would be like Roy. A Gen 8 Pokemon would be similar to Blaziken but not entirely, depending on when they were decided upon adding the character during development.

 

[Chron]

FELICIA VICTORY THEME SMASH SWITCH

Spoiler

 

[Rockaphin]

I just want Squirtle and Ivysaur back. But I wouldn't mind a newer gen Pokemon newcomer. Decidueye or Mimikyu would be pretty cool. There's others I'd like to see more, but they're more of my personal favorites(Feraligatr, Scizor, Flygon).

Also, cutting Pikachu, Charizard, or Jigglypuff just because they're from a specific gen is somewhat pointless IMO. If Jigglypuff wasn't one of the original 12 (which I believe should stay), I would be all for cutting her, but at this point.... It's a little late.

 

[blackghost]

I really am confused about why people want ledge hogging to return. To me its not a skill based edge guard or read its exploitation. Ledge hoggong means a large portion of the cast is helpless offstage.
Nerfing recoveries or increasing gravity undwr the current system seems like a much better (and simpler ) solution.

Also i need to addtess something said like 200 pages ago ( this thread pace scares me)
Origin game mechnics do not neccessarily end up in smash. For example bayonetta can block in smash she cannot in her original games. If captain toad is in he will be able to jump to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

If the Inklings weren't chosen because of the ballot, could we see a ballot runner-up at E3?

 

[Chron]

I really am confused about why people want ledge hogging to return. To me its not a skill based edge guard or read its exploitation. Ledge hoggong means a large portion of the cast is helpless offstage.
Nerfing recoveries or increasing gravity undwr the current system seems like a much better (and simpler ) solution.

Also i need to addtess something said like 200 pages ago ( this thread pace scares me)
Origin game mechnics do not neccessarily end up in smash. For example bayonetta can block in smash she cannot in her original games. If captain toad is in he will be able to jump to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Edge hogging, when paired with wavedashing is skill-based, however, and a missed WD to the ledge can sometimes end in a lost stock, so even edge hogging is risky. Some characters would need buffed recoveries(in comparison to Melee) to compensate for hogging or a slightly reworked system.

Toad is in a slightly different situation, because Bayonetta may not block, but if I remember correctly it is explicitly stated that Captain Toad CANNOT jump because of his backpack. It's not really accurate to compare someone who doesn't do something to someone who can't, but if he gets in the game, I think he's gonna be able to jump either way.

 

[SlickWylde]

Edge hogging, when paired with wavedashing is skill-based, however, and a missed WD to the ledge can sometimes end in a lost stock, so even edge hogging is risky. Some characters would need buffed recoveries to compensate for hogging or a slightly reworked system.

Toad is in a slightly different situation, because Bayonetta may not block, but if I remember correctly it is explicitly stated that Captain Toad CANNOT jump because of his backpack. It's not really accurate to compare someone who doesn't do something to someone who can't, but if he gets in the game, I think he's gonna be able to jump either way.

Agreed. If a developer specifically says a character can't do something, I think Sackpotato would take that into account when considering addition. Toad has a way to bounce off springs or something though, right? Sakurai could just add an animation to his jump.

 

[Jak_spoon]

So with Hyrule warriors doing pretty well and their work on Fire emblem warriors do you guys think that Team Ninja will have a shot getting Ninja Gaiden on smash?

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of Fox and Falco, I really hope their voices are better this time. Especially Fox's.

I'm pretty sure their voice actors remained the same going from Star Fox 64 3D to Smash 4 to Star Fox: Zero, though they sound a lot better in the latter since they aren't straining their voices as hard. Hopefully Sakurai lets them go with Zero's voices.

I actually like Brawl Fox and Falco's voices the best though. Zero's Fox and Falco voices are fine too. Smash 4's Fox voice just sounds like he is in pain. I have gotten used to the Fox and Falco 64 voice, but the Brawl voice was so much better.

If the Inklings weren't chosen because of the ballot, could we see a ballot runner-up at E3?

There is no way a ballot is taking place. I think they have chosen their characters already.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So with Hyrule warriors doing pretty well and their work on Fire emblem warriors do you guys think that Team Ninja will have a shot getting Ninja Gaiden on smash?

No.

But Hyrule / Fire Emblem Warriors content would be amazing. Especially Ganondorf and Impa.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Agreed. If a developer specifically says a character can't do something, I think Sackpotato would take that into account when considering addition. Toad has a way to bounce off springs or something though, right? Sakurai could just add an animation to his jump.

You can recover without jumping. Captain Toad's jumping animation could be him holding on to a power star being carried by Wingo or a flaptor.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

There is no way a ballot is taking place. I think they have chosen their characters already.

By ballot runner-up, I was referring to the characters that scored the best in the Smash Ballot after Bayonetta.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Goku probably scored quite high on the ballot, but I don't expect him in Smash.

King K.Rool does have quite some chance cause of the ballot however, same with Isaac.

But I won't hold TOO MUCH hope in this regard...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Goku probably scored quite high on the ballot, but I don't expect him in Smash.

King K.Rool does have quite some chance cause of the ballot however, same with Isaac.

But I won't hold TOO MUCH hope in this regard...

I doubt Isaac is very requested outside the hardcore smash fanbase.

 

[Substitution]

Or you know, he could just jump.
It's not like the entire character of Captain Toad breaks because he can jump in a game all about platforming.
Nor would this be the first time Sakurai has taken liberties with a character, or the second, or the twentieth really.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

If Sakurai really didn't like Captain Toad being able to jump I could easily see him just making him into a regular Toad, but still with Captain Toad stuff incorporated into his moveset, I don't think that'd be farfetched. If they really want to include Toad in some form then I don't think Captain Toad's heavy backpack is going to stop them.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Goku probably scored quite high on the ballot, but I don't expect him in Smash.

King K.Rool does have quite some chance cause of the ballot however, same with Isaac.

But I won't hold TOO MUCH hope in this regard...

Given that one of the rules of the ballot was that the character had to be a video game character in order to be considered as well as Sakurai's own thoughts on manga characters, I'm pretty sure any votes for Goku was thrown away after a good laugh.

 

[FutureSky]

i hate to say it, but spring man has 0% chance, its too recent

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

i hate to say it, but spring man has 0% chance, its too recent

Uh...I mean.

Roy and Greninja were added and picked prior to their debut.

I’m pretty sure too recent isn’t a thing.

 

[Deleted member]

i hate to say it, but spring man has 0% chance, its too recent

I don't think Spring Man is as likely as he's made out to be either, but I wouldn't give him an absolute zero.

 

[Radical Bones]

Even the non-Captain Toad in SMB2 and the Blue Toad in SM3DW were poor jumpers with high strength or speed. Toad being a poor jumper isn't new canon.

Plenty of characters in Smash aren't supposed to jump based off their game but do anyway.

The backpack is a mechanic that Sakurai is probably really excited to utilise in some way.

 

[Chron]

i hate to say it, but spring man has 0% chance, its too recent

Not really. Just because it was just released doesn't mean Sakurai hasn't known about it for a year or two.
If you mean "to new" as in we don't know whether it's a successful IP yet, I think it's definitely fills that criteria as well(even if it hasn't sold as well as Splatoon 1 did).

 

[Diddy Kong]

Captain Toad should be able to jump, if he sheds the giant backpack. Which one would do on a battlefield.

I see no problem here.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Here's my POV on what kinds of character are coming and when

Hypothetical pre-E3 direct: Most Veterans, Inklings in detail and one more newcomer
E3: Additonal Nintendo Newcomer & new 3rd party rep
Autumn Direct: Newcomer and 3rd party vets.

about a week before release: Actual leak that gets lost in pile of fakes.

 

[Retroend]

I doubt Isaac is very requested outside the hardcore smash fanbase.

man you just had to be a killjoy.

 

[N3ON]

i hate to say it, but spring man has 0% chance, its too recent

Oh ok thanks, good to know

 

[StrangeMann]

I feel like Captain toad would likely have no jumps, but would have a really WHACK move set to compensate. Imagine if he just had the ability to randomly summon any smash bros item from his bag? Would compensate the lack of aerials with solid rng. Or for his recovery he just had a bridge/platform spawn under him off stage which automatically connects to the nearest ledge?

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Yknow, if they REALLY needed an explanation for Captain Toad jumping, they could always just say "he packed lighter for battle" in his trophy description.

It's not like Captain Toad's character is 100% reliant on his inability to jump either. That's just how Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker functioned. Stuff like picking up turnips, the Super Pickax, the, yknow, treasure tracking, THAT'S what makes Captain Toad who he is.

 

[Nauzgo]

I doubt Isaac is very requested outside the hardcore smash fanbase.

I think same goes for the ballot. I doubt that the ballot was used that much by many non-hardcore Smash fans and since Isaac is from one of the few bigger franchises which are still left out in Smash, I believe he did pretty well in the ballot. But these are just presumptions.

But it's pretty likely that we'll see one or two of the most requested characters from the last years. With the ballot, they can't just simply ignore all of the "frontrunners" we had like K.Rool, Ridley, Dixie, Krystal or whoever.

 

[Fenriraga]

I mean, Captain Toad doesn't HAVE to be... Captain Toad.

I mean, have you seen some of the places that little bugger managed to get to in Odyssey? Either he's bluffing about not being able to jump, or he used a Scuttle Bug after building up speed for 12 hours to reach a parallel universe.

I'd imagine he'd just be more like Regular Toad. Fast on his feet, and still capable of jumping, it's just not his strong suit.

 

[DGAMER]

Captain Toad can be interesting, but due to Nintendo establishing his no jump thing, it already kinda takes a bit away from the character. They could do some things with turnips, the pixaxe, minecarts ect.

If Captain Toad (or any toad for that matter) arrives at the scene, at least, Peach's Neutral Special would have to be changed in some way.

Being honest, I don't want a core Mario character in the next Smash iteration. Our current Mainline Mario Representatives are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Rosalina and Luma, and Bowser JR. To me, this is just fine for core Mario characters. The next smash should probably focus on reworking some of the older characters in this lineup. (IE, Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser). Give them Updated specials, make changes to the way they play. Adding a mainline Mario character to this lineup without reworking the current reps isn't something I would support.

Unless Captain Toad turns into a spinoff franchise like DK/Wario, I still won't support the character. (They should have made a full sequel instead of porting the game to switch.)

 

[MasterOfKnees]

But it's pretty likely that we'll see one or two of the most requested characters from the last years. With the ballot, they can't just simply ignore all of the "frontrunners" we had like K.Rool, Ridley, Dixie, Krystal or whoever.

They still can if they so desire, there's no rule anywhere that says that they have to include the top 5 or whatever picks from the ballot, it's just something they can use as reference in whatever way they like. It's not like it changes much for the usual frontrunners either, I can guarantee you they still did their research when picking the previous rosters, they know all about the demand for the likes of K. Rool and Ridley.

I'm sure they're going to use the ballot to some extend, but if someone like Ridley scored high I don't think it'd impact Sakurai's decision much one way or the other, I think it mostly helps the casual crowd's choices as we saw with Cloud and Bayo who's fanbases aren't as vocal.

 

[Wyoming]

64 speculation would have been fun. People would try to debunk Link, Fox and Falcon's chances of being in the game due to boundaries easily broken with creativity (Fox, Falcon) or ignoring limitations (Link)

Captain Toad, if he's in, will jump. Little Mac never jumped, Link never jumped prior to 64. Jumping is literally the easiest thing to imagine someone doing in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

-sees Captain Toad discussion-

Not this bull**** again.....

-leaves-

 

[T-Hell]

The fact that some people even consider Goku an actual possibility makes me sick. Please just stop, it's not even funny anymore. Super Smash Bros is all about Nintendo and a few third-party guests from VIDEOGAMING HISTORY. Anime and manga can have it's own Smash counterpart.
Sorry if it seems like I'm overreacting but it literally makes me sick. Let the meme die already.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Do you think, in the case we get some last-minute clones, that Octolings could get in, sorta like how Marth and Roy got in for Melee, but without the recency factor playing in as much? I am starting to think of that for the next last-minute clone I add to my prediction roster.

 

[Bowserlick]

If Captain Toad jumps, his backpack falls off.

The backpack reappears in several seconds.

During that time the Captain cannot use specials.

 

[Chandeelure]

Stop saying things like Link never jumped or stuff like that, he didn't jump but that doesn't mean he couldn't.
It was only because it wasn't necessary.

Captain Toad's no jump mechanic is part of his character, it literally has a reason and it is his heavy backpack.

A better example would be how Sonic can swim in Smash.

 

[Chron]

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