Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TheCJBrine]

Err, no.
There's going to be one echo of a character in the last row and there's going to be at least one more newcomer. That seems pretty unbreakable.
The introduction of a new convincing leak doesn't refute the presence of a previous one.

Box Theory will be dead or confirmed at the exact time this leak is fake or true. There's no way to call it now.

I dunno, Spawn Wave seems to have a perfect track record this year.

The Box is also similar to the Grinch leak in one way: both sides are based on assumptions; while the Theory also takes an obvious pattern into account, it could very well not have every character, or they just decided to leave spots without a character.

It wouldn't be their only box with an odd design choice; the back of the Smash Bros. box that was being sold for over 1k had a blank spot on the bottom-left of two rows of characters on the back, having the Switch logo and name.

I know just because Spawn Wave has been spot-on that doesn't mean they won't miss, but I'm just sayin'.

 

[StrawHatX]

I've practically made a 15-point list, I'm sure you can find it. Please don't be like some of these people that just look at one point and just forget all the evidence that was laid out, I beg of you.

I read all of your wonderfully crafted bullet points and the main thing that seems to prevent them from believing the leak is real is “No Incineroar”.

The Chad Ganondorf leak doesn’t help #TeamFake or Spawn Wave. If anything it helps the leak considering a lot of people now believe that is the leak that “ruffled Nintendo’s feathers” that was mentioned a few weeks ago.

I think PapaGenos mentioned his source believed that was the very same leak.

 

[Chrollo.]

I don’t think either of those 4chan posts were real. Especially the one of Andre’s “texts”, that just reeks of being fake lol. However, the notes on Spawn Wave podcast is interesting. He went from being 50/50 to being totally down on it to being 50/50 again to back to being down on it. If I had to guess the supposed real characters of that leak are definitely Ken, Shadow, and the Chorus Kids. Maybe Mach Rider. From the looks of it they all seem certain Isaac, Banjo, and Geno aren’t in.

edit: plus shadow seems likely to be in anyway with jonneh “predicting” him with some oddly specific moves

 

[Deleted member]

You think that's the only reason, though? They seem to be pushing hard against Banjo (and reading the quote, it's kinda ridiculous so I'm not sure how much stock I should put in it, though trying to give the benefit of the doubt because I know I'm biased in this area).

I do keep forgetting to mention this, but Spawn really does want Banjo-Kazooie in Smash, leak aside. Like, out of all the characters in the Grinch Banner, Banjo is the one he wants the most.

 

[Mutsukki]

I dunno, Spawn Wave seems to have a perfect track record this year.

The Box is also similar to the Grinch leak: both sides are based on assumptions; while the Theory also takes an obvious pattern into account, it could very well not have every character, or they just decided to leave spots without a character.

It wouldn't be their only box with an odd design choice; the back of the Smash Bros. box that was being sold for over 1k had a blank spot on the bottom-left of two rows of characters on the back, having the Switch logo and name.

This is a sincere question and not a passive-aggressive comment I swear:

But who is Spawn Wave and what kind of information has he leaked so far?

 

[Shroob]

I'm still waiting for official confirmation to gloat. But yes yes it is. And any discussion on it is shot down.

"Gloat"


People like this are why I'm taking a break.



Instead of "**** yeah, we get even more!". they want "HAHAHAHA LOOK AT HOW STUPID YOU WERE FOR BELIEVING IN THIS!"



Petty.

 

[Untouch]

There are 3 characters right now that starred in Western developed games.
The only thing that hurts western third parties is the communication barrier, its stupid and ignorant to think Nintendo is that xenophobic about characters in their game.
Liam is a fool.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Yes because Sakurai would never put a Western character in the game

 

[StarLight42]

Yeah, but it's all based on outdated speculation. Unless they know stuff that we don't that they're not talking about, everything seems to line up with Microsoft being involved in some way. Sakurai also mentioned having to take risks by getting Nintendo on board with him. Might be referring to "everyone is here", which was the context of his quote--but it's hard to see how it was "risky" in that regard.

Adding to this "another echo" thing...

I might get some **** for this but I actually think it's definitely Black Knight if there is gonna be another one.

Now now, calm your pitchforks and torches. There's a few reasons why I believe this.

1- Black Knight got a Mii Costume.
2- Chrom is the closest he can be to an Ike echo... without being an Ike echo.
3- Fire Emblem, despite having seven characters, has no villain.
4- He's not present in the Castle Siege stage unlike in SSB4.
5- It's Fire Emblem. Last Smash we learned that Sakurai will add way more FE characters than we "personally" think there should be.

Trust me, i'd take Ninten or Black Shadow a million times over another FE character, but this is Sakurai we're talking about.

 

[ShadowGamer193]

So summary of today: There are a lot of things for Team Real but Insiders are still denying the leak and claiming Incineroar is in(possibly for Damage control). Hopefully we get at least something else to talk about by tomorrow.

 

[Deleted member]

I read all of your wonderfully crafted bullet points and the main thing that seems to prevent them from believing the leak is real is “No Incineroar”.

The Chad Ganondorf leak doesn’t help #TeamFake or Spawn Wave. If anything it helps the leak considering a lot of people now believe that is the leak that “ruffled Nintendo’s feathers” that was mentioned a few weeks ago.

I think PapaGenos mentioned his source believed that was the very same leak.

Spawn in his previous Smash video related to this never had "No Incineroar" as the main crux, just other stuff.

 

[ChronoBound]

What if both the box theory and the Grinch theory are correct? What if Incineroar and Ken are all that is left to the base roster (thus proving Sakurai's previous warnings correct), but the banners that got leaked are actually legit and the other six are DLC? A good way to know would be if Ken ends up having the same pose on the website banner as he does in the Grinch one.

 

[Mutsukki]

"Gloat"


People like this are why I'm taking a break.



Instead of "**** yeah, we get even more!". they want "HAHAHAHA LOOK AT HOW STUPID YOU WERE FOR BELIEVING IN THIS!"



Petty.

Yeah for real. My deepest desire is to bookmark every single one of these posts, take a gamble and if I'm right, come back and post them all again.

I shouldn't, and I won't, but I reeeeaaaally want it.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I think regardless of Grinch Leak being true, I do think Box is dead.

Near perfection to my eyes and ears.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Yes because Sakurai would never put a Western character in the game

Dark Samus too, as well as Shovel Knight assist trophy.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

Adding to this "another echo" thing...

I might get some **** for this but I actually think it's definitely Black Knight if there is gonna be another one.

Now now, calm your pitchforks and torches. There's a few reasons why I believe this.

1- Black Knight got a Mii Costume.
2- Chrom is the closest he can be to an Ike echo... without being an Ike echo.
3- Fire Emblem, despite having seven characters, has no villain.
4- He's not present in the Castle Siege stage unlike in SSB4.
5- It's Fire Emblem. Last Smash we learned that Sakurai will add way more FE characters than we "personally" think there should be.

Trust me, i'd take Ninten or Black Shadow a million times over another FE character, but this is Sakurai we're talking about.

There's gonna be outrage if we get another FE character no matter who it is

 

[Untouch]

Yes because Sakurai would never put a Western character in the game

n-no the united kingdom doesn't count he means american

 

[Sergeant_Snivy]

What if both the box theory and the Grinch theory are correct? What if Incineroar and Ken are all that is left to the base roster (thus proving Sakurai's previous warnings correct), but the banners that got leaked are actually legit and the other six are DLC? A good way to know would be if Ken ends up having the same pose on the website banner as he does in the Grinch one.

Then why isn't Incineroar on the leaked banner?

 

[Nekoo]

the main thing that seems to prevent them from believing the leak is real is “No Incineroar”.

Actually they literally admitted that the leak did touch some truth.
But that even with Incineroar in, it would be fake for Missings Characters and having the wrong Characters.

Incineroar is the only Characters they can talk about because he's basically public knowledge right now

 

[Mutsukki]

There are 3 characters right now that starred in Western developed games.
The only thing that hurts western third parties is the communication barrier, its stupid and ignorant to think Nintendo is that xenophobic about characters in their game.
Liam is a fool.

The only thing I'm glad that GAF went down is that I was finally able to be away from that because no way in hell am I ever opening ResetERA out of my own free will. This kind of attitude is par for the course there and I hate it.

 

[Thunderfang747]

Hi I haven't posted in several years but I've been lurking for most of this hype cycle. I have to ask, could it be possible this banner is an early mockup being used as reference for the printing company? That could explain the descrepencies behind characters on the empty battlefield background. Perhaps they were added later? More interestingly this theory flips the entire thing on its head. Rather than Incineroar being possibly outdated, what if the banner itself is outdated and thus is missing Incineroar and whoever else insiders are sure are in the game. Maybe they were decided on later? Maybe a character or two on the banner is outdated as well on this line of reasoning and really not in the game any longer?

 

[KMDP]

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Luckily archives exist.
This is total bull****.

I can totally see the scenario in these messages playing out exactly as stated.

Of course... where'd this text chain come from? How?

 

[Chrollo.]

There are 3 characters right now that starred in Western developed games.
The only thing that hurts western third parties is the communication barrier, its stupid and ignorant to think Nintendo is that xenophobic about characters in their game.
Liam is a fool.

its even funnier when you realize banjo is one of japan’s most wanted characters and nintendo loves catering to their home country so i doubt they give a **** about “bowing to white men” when it comes to pleasing their home country

 

[SoccerStar9001]

What if both the box theory and the Grinch theory are correct? What if Incineroar and Ken are all that is left to the base roster (thus proving Sakurai's previous warnings correct), but the banners that got leaked are actually legit and the other six are DLC? A good way to know would be if Ken ends up having the same pose on the website banner as he does in the Grinch one.

Where is Incineroar then? Shouldn't he be in the banner if this is DLC + Base?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So summary of today: There are a lot of things for Team Real but Insiders are still denying the leak and claiming Incineroar is in(possibly for Damage control). Hopefully we get at least something else to talk about by tomorrow.

Yes: Sunday night's blog update! That'll be worth slogging through the whole day. Anyway, getting off the looney express, good night folks.

 

[Mutsukki]

Hi I haven't posted in several years but I've been lurking for most of this hype cycle. I have to ask, could it be possible this banner is an early mockup being used as reference for the printing company? That could explain the descrepencies behind characters on the empty battlefield background. Perhaps they were added later? More interestingly this theory flips the entire thing on its head. Rather than Incineroar being possibly outdated, what if the banner itself is outdated and thus is missing Incineroar and whoever else insiders are sure are in the game. Maybe they were decided on later? Maybe a character or two on the banner is outdated as well on this line of reasoning and really not in the game any longer?

It is possible in a sense that anything is possible, but highly unlikely they started to draw this banner before every character was 100% confirmed. This kind of art takes long but not THAT long. I wouldn't be surprised if it was started a the start of the year or even 2 or 3 months before E3

 

[lightdrago]

Adding to this "another echo" thing...

I might get some **** for this but I actually think it's definitely Black Knight if there is gonna be another one.

Now now, calm your pitchforks and torches. There's a few reasons why I believe this.

1- Black Knight got a Mii Costume.
2- Chrom is the closest he can be to an Ike echo... without being an Ike echo.
3- Fire Emblem, despite having seven characters, has no villain.
4- He's not present in the Castle Siege stage unlike in SSB4.
5- It's Fire Emblem. Last Smash we learned that Sakurai will add way more FE characters than we "personally" think there should be.

Trust me, i'd take Ninten or Black Shadow a million times over another FE character, but this is Sakurai we're talking about.

Black Knight’s proportions don’t match up with Ike’s. If Isabelle can’t be a VIllager echo because her proportion don’t match, neither can Black Knight.

And Mii costumes plus being a villain doesn’t neccesarilly guarantee anything.

What if both the box theory and the Grinch theory are correct? What if Incineroar and Ken are all that is left to the base roster (thus proving Sakurai's previous warnings correct), but the banners that got leaked are actually legit and the other six are DLC? A good way to know would be if Ken ends up having the same pose on the website banner as he does in the Grinch one.

Then where’s Incineroar?

 

[Chrono.]

Then why isn't Incineroar on the leaked banner?

Maybe he is and we haven't seen him.

Goku Black 2.0

This is a joke

 

[TheCJBrine]

I have one issue with the Grinch leak being the one to "ruffle their feathers" as in Nintendo's.

Tansut never said it was Nintendo and even pointed that out himself, and he heavily implied it was Square Enix by saying he believed Vergeben's claim of a character from "that company" was legitimate or something, so if this leak is the one that ruffled feathers then it's because it has Geno - which isn't an issue and would make me happy, but I'm just saying it most-likely wouldn't be because of Nintendo.

 

[Union of Darkness]

Also here is a intresting Gamefaqs thread

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77139606

...
this isn't good.

 

[kylexv]

Found this, can't tell if he was telling truth or not.

Literally just another run-of-the-mill text post

I guess we've officially exhausted all the leak had to offer and are now talking about obviously fake text leaks again.

 

[Pyra]

-snip-
Found this, can't tell if he was telling truth or not.

You might want to censor the image.

Though yeah source or worthless

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

Found this, can't tell if he was telling truth or not.

May wanna put that under the spoiler tag with a strong language warning

 

[ShadowGamer193]

Hi I haven't posted in several years but I've been lurking for most of this hype cycle. I have to ask, could it be possible this banner is an early mockup being used as reference for the printing company? That could explain the descrepencies behind characters on the empty battlefield background. Perhaps they were added later? More interestingly this theory flips the entire thing on its head. Rather than Incineroar being possibly outdated, what if the banner itself is outdated and thus is missing Incineroar and whoever else insiders are sure are in the game. Maybe they were decided on later? Maybe a character or two on the banner is outdated as well on this line of reasoning and really not in the game any longer?

I thought about this. They probably sent the first complete version of the Banner to the printing company and when they removed characters for the official reveal at E3, they realized how barren it looked and added more stuff.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Found this, can't tell if he was telling truth or not.

Spoiler the image at least for censoring

 

[Chrollo.]

best timeline would be every rumored character being in the game and nintendo just made multiple incomplete murals for some weird reason

however i still dont know that if by more characters they mean incineroar AND (probably as dlc) sora or more base characters we dont know about

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/436727101 Not sure if this is just two random guys ****ing around or if this is an actual text to GX

the thing is gone what did it say?

 

[SAMation]

Found this, can't tell if he was telling truth or not.

....close your tabs, one of them has me really worried...

 

[Deleted member]

Talking about Sonic music earlier got me in the mood to talk about the music I want to see in Smash again:

Spoiler: Any of these would make me immensely happy

Shooting Starfish - Turquoise October (Singleplayer) - Splatoon 2 (Best Splatoon non-Octo Expansion single player level theme right here)
Tide Goes Out - Splatoon
Nasty Majesty (Off the Hook) - Octo Expansion (If Octolings ever make it in, this better be their reveal theme)
Spicy Calamari Inkantation (Squid Sisters) - Splatoon 2
Ebb & Flow (Off the Hook) - Splatfest Battle Theme - Splatoon 2
Vs. Hyness (Unhooded)
Moonstruck Blossom / Vs. Queen Sectonia 2
Last Fight (First Phase - Mind in a PROGRAM) - Kirby: Planet Robobot
Battle - Guardian - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Music (Preferably as a remix)
Battle Against a Weird Opponent (Preferably as a remix)

 

[SuperSmashLover]

I think it's important to point out that it makes no sense for insiders to lie or obfuscate.

One, they're not getting paid by Nintendo.

Two, if they know they're wrong, it's gonna come back to bite them. Nobody is going to forget it if they lie.

Three, what do they really stand to gain? Feeling superior for a week or two? Seems like a no-win game.

They could still be wrong, but if that's the case it's not intentionally so. Conspiracy theories are baseless and breed hostility, the reality is always far more boring.

Nobody is questioning whether the insiders themselves are pulling strings as far as I am aware. I think everyone is in agreement that they believe one of two things may be going on:

1) Some people are claiming they have a source or sources, but actually have none and are just piggybacking off of what others are saying (while making up an extra detail or two to sound legitimate)

2) Otherwise insiders with a source actually are being fooled by a false source. That is to say, somebody who claims to know information but really has no connections to the Smash Bros project or Nintendo (or any third party who is rumored to be involved with Smash Bros)

Any actual source is giving the best, most correct information as far as they are aware of. If Ninfendo gives out false information to catch leakers, the insiders are not at fault.