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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Garteam

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Adding to this "another echo" thing...

I might get some **** for this but I actually think it's definitely Black Knight if there is gonna be another one.

Now now, calm your pitchforks and torches. There's a few reasons why I believe this.

1- Black Knight got a Mii Costume.
2- Chrom is the closest he can be to an Ike echo... without being an Ike echo.
3- Fire Emblem, despite having seven characters, has no villain.
4- He's not present in the Castle Siege stage unlike in SSB4.
5- It's Fire Emblem. Last Smash we learned that Sakurai will add way more FE characters than we "personally" think there should be.

Trust me, i'd take Ninten or Black Shadow a million times over another FE character, but this is Sakurai we're talking about.
The main problem with the Black Knight is the logistics of his movement. In the Tellius games, the Black Knight always had a lot of weight to his movement in on the map screen, in cutscenes, and in his battles. You could see his strength when walked or swung his sword, as his armour slowly rose up and fell down quickly with gravity. It would be weird to see him doing stuff like backflipping and dashing around like Ike does.
 

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There are 3 characters right now that starred in Western developed games.
The only thing that hurts western third parties is the communication barrier, its stupid and ignorant to think Nintendo is that xenophobic about characters in their game.
Liam is a fool.
Also worth mentioning Little Mac and Donkey Kong have designs from Western developed games.
 

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I do keep forgetting to mention this, but Spawn really does want Banjo-Kazooie in Smash, leak aside. Like, out of all the characters in the Grinch Banner, Banjo is the one he wants the most.
Yeah, I remember him mentioning that in his video. It does concern me the way he's pushing hard against Banjo and Geno--when watching his initial video, he sounded like he was trying to get the point across they weren't in while not outright saying it. I really, really hope if they're not in the base, that they're already being planned for DLC (usually I wouldn't make such a big statement on DLC, except it seems like a lot of insiders are talking about it being this big plan).

I read all of your wonderfully crafted bullet points and the main thing that seems to prevent them from believing the leak is real is “No Incineroar”.

The Chad Ganondorf leak doesn’t help #TeamFake or Spawn Wave. If anything it helps the leak considering a lot of people now believe that is the leak that “ruffled Nintendo’s feathers” that was mentioned a few weeks ago.

I think PapaGenos mentioned his source believed that was the very same leak.
I dunno, as much as I want to believe this leak is true, the 4chan leak is one point I find against the banner. It's one of those 4chan posts I would have never gave the time of day, not only angsty and profanity-laden, but mentions characters not in (how would they know) and just gives the vibe of fake text leak.

That being said, ESRB leak involved Mother****ing Leaker. So, anything's possible at this point. :chuckle:
 
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Liam: "**** all you Smash idiots, I don't see why you're taking my opinion so seriously."
Spawn: "Man, these Red Dead 2 images look amazing..."

If we all were like Spawn lmao
 

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There are 3 characters right now that starred in Western developed games.
The only thing that hurts western third parties is the communication barrier, its stupid and ignorant to think Nintendo is that xenophobic about characters in their game.
Liam is a fool.
To be fair, there are zero characters OWNED by a western company playable in Smash yet.
 

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So summary of today: There are a lot of things for Team Real but Insiders are still denying the leak and claiming Incineroar is in(possibly for Damage control). Hopefully we get at least something else to talk about by tomorrow.
I'll be honest, most of these people are several times removed from Nintendo. Damage Control makes no sense. These people want to be trusted. Being wrong on this is counter productive to the nature of being an insider.
 

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Hi I haven't posted in several years but I've been lurking for most of this hype cycle. I have to ask, could it be possible this banner is an early mockup being used as reference for the printing company? That could explain the descrepencies behind characters on the empty battlefield background. Perhaps they were added later? More interestingly this theory flips the entire thing on its head. Rather than Incineroar being possibly outdated, what if the banner itself is outdated and thus is missing Incineroar and whoever else insiders are sure are in the game. Maybe they were decided on later? Maybe a character or two on the banner is outdated as well on this line of reasoning and really not in the game any longer?
I actually had this same theory but most people I talk to (not in here) say I’m wrong
 

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It’s just hard not to believe the banner and all the crazy coincidences surrounding it when the big counterpoints other leakers make are “no Incineroar” and “no way a Western character gets in”.

Like come on. Change my mind, crush my hopes and dreams
 
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I feel like that could get him banned from here tbh.

And it should.
Then even less reason to trust, this guy's probably trying to be really edgy and create the exact situation you just fell into
Making screenshots with questionable things in one or more of the tabs is a long time 4chan meme. It's probably nothing to worry about. And really who the **** googles "child porn"?
 

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Where is Incineroar then? Shouldn't he be in the banner if this is DLC + Base?
Then why isn't Incineroar on the leaked banner?
If the leak is legit (big if), then it could be that Incineroar was kept off because the Pokemon Company ordered not to have him on any materials before his official unveil. Sakurai has personally said that the Pokemon Company keeps a close eye on Smash Bros.'s Pokemon content and that they are difficult to work with. It could be that Incineroar was ordered to be kept off any merchandise until he was confirmed.
 
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Liam: "**** all you Smash idiots, I don't see why you're taking my opinion so seriously."
Spawn: "Man, these Red Dead 2 images look amazing..."

If we all were like Spawn lmao
tbf Red Dead 2 does look pretty stunning, especially on a PS4 Pro. **** doesn't come with an install disc for nothing.
That isn't a joke for the people here without an Xbox One or PS4, it really has one.
 

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I work at Nintendo. People are going wild right now. Reggie said he was going to give everyone free tickets to go see The Grinch but he bailed out. Everyone got mad and started a riot.

im joking obviously
 

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So summary of today: There are a lot of things for Team Real but Insiders are still denying the leak and claiming Incineroar is in(possibly for Damage control). Hopefully we get at least something else to talk about by tomorrow.
It's very simple to think of the logic behind this too: DLC. It's what stopped a lot of insiders from believing ESRB specifically when they knew about Mewtwo and Lucas
 

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Talking about Sonic music earlier got me in the mood to talk about the music I want to see in Smash again:

Honestly just add all of Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity's OST and I'll never ask for anything ever again.
Here's a link to the OST if you're interested
 

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Liam: "**** all you Smash idiots, I don't see why you're taking my opinion so seriously."
Spawn: "Man, these Red Dead 2 images look amazing..."

If we all were like Spawn lmao
Isn’t the Liam person the same guy that just tweeted that if you’re a $5 Patreon subscriber of his you can hear his opinions?
 

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this isn't good.
How so, friendo?
It’s just hard not to believe the banner and all the crazy coincidences surrounding it when the big counterpoints other leakers make are “no Incineroar” and “no way a Western character gets in”.

Like come on. Change my mind, crush my hopes and dreams
"No way a western character gets in"
*cough*
:ultdiddy::ultkrool::ultdarksamus:, Shovel Knight.

Yeah, no way at all.
 

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It’s just hard not to believe the banner and all the crazy coincidences surrounding it when the big counterpoints other leakers make are “no Incineroar” and “no way a Western character gets in”.

Like come on. Change my mind, crush my hopes and dreams
I'd rather my dreams get crushed now than weeks from now. I really want these insiders to convince me, but they've been doing a terrible job of it every time I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
 

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It’s just hard not to believe the banner and all the crazy coincidences surrounding it when the big counterpoints other leakers make are “no Incineroar” and “no way a Western character gets in”.

Like come on. Change my mind, crush my hopes and dreams
Santa claus isn't real, The Easter Bunny isn't real, Mario and Kirby aren't real, Samus isn't real and wouldn't date you even if she was, and most importantly...you aren't real
 

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Liam: "**** all you Smash idiots, I don't see why you're taking my opinion so seriously."
Spawn: "Man, these Red Dead 2 images look amazing..."

If we all were like Spawn lmao
This is now a Red Dead 2 thread.

So uh... cowboys...

Doesn't the Sheriff assist trophy really ruffle people's feathers? I mean, I get that Marth got shot with what is supposed to be a real gun, but he just got hit by a futuristic vehicle going 3900 KPH and a piece of fast metal is what does his stock in.
 

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I'm still waiting for official confirmation to gloat. But yes yes it is. And any discussion on it is shot down.
Need I also remind you that you're probably the only person who whenever box theory was brought up how many hissy fits you threw, between outright attacking/threatening other users, to spamming up the thread with spam and have been banned.... what, twice now?



Sure, Box theory may be dead, I hope it is, but if anyone's allowed to celebrate, it's not you, who flew into an ungodly rage whenever someone mentioned cardboard.
 

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tbf Red Dead 2 does look pretty stunning, especially on a PS4 Pro. **** doesn't come with an install disc for nothing.
That isn't a joke for the people here without an Xbox One or PS4, it really has one.
Can't wait to delete half my hard drive for cowboys.
 

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Alright y'all, watch Incineroar become a Poké Ball Pokémon.

I'd be sad for his fans, but would laugh because the "insiders" were so sure of him.
 
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