Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Noipoi]

I think we'll 8 DLC fighters. 6 brand new, 2 echo. 1 or 2 every two or so months.


November-Gen 8 pokemon. Update will come with new pokeball pokemon.

Fixed that for you .

 

[Deleted member]

Hey papagenos , Billybae10K i found this with you 2 in it.

And so it begins.....

 

[Jakenimbus]

Here is a new approach to the grinch leak. What if Inceniror is not a playable character because of the release of sun and moon. Sun and moon got released on November 2016. The smash 4 got released in November/Decmber of 2014. Sakuri usually has the roster planned way before the game is released because fighters take longer to develope. What is Inceniror missed the cut off to becoming a new fighter but Sakuri thought he was super cool so he added him in another way? Or maybe Sakuri just though Inceniror wasn’t a good fighter to add in the game since he is pretty similar to other existing fighters. I don’t think we should be trashing the grinch theory because of Inceniror.

 

[Untouch]

Alright I really hope something new comes forward soon because the amount of straw grasping from both sides right is actually starting to give me a headache.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think we'll 8 DLC fighters. 6 brand new, 2 echo. 1 or 2 every two or so months.

My guesses (more so wishes)
January- Sora to coincide with KH3 and the release of Final remix on switch, which is announced with his reveal.
March-Springman, Ribbon girl echo. Announced with a huge Arms update and/or DLC package
May- New fire emblem rep to promote Three Houses
July- Monster Hunter.
September-Octoling Echo, announced with Splatoon 2 update
November-Gen 9 pokemon. Update will come with new pokeball pokemon.
December- Andy with a new Advance Wars title for both Switch and mobile.

I kinda feel Dixie and Bandana Dee will be DLC if the banner leak is true. Other then that, pretty legit prediction I could almost see it happening.

 

[KingBroly]

The thought that GameXPlain might have insider information which causes them to not talk about the Grinch leak is like having the matrix within The Matrix. This is a theory within a theory of a leak.

It's not just them, though. But their attitude of it is what is giving people pause.

 

[NabiscoFelt]

What was GameExplain's response to the Ken Leak? As in, did they talk about it much outside their initial video? Because they might just not like talking about leaks. I'm pretty they've never or rarely mentioned text leaks like Vergeben's.

 

[Spinzilla]

Fixed that for you .

Lmao. Whoops. Too many pokemon and generations to keep up with now.

 

[NotLiquid]

This guy is close to the most obscure person on the planet. You'd have a better team fake theory if it was someone who hated ol' Eric and made up a leak to get him fired, not someone going through every company, settling on a French one, and picking a company with no obvious Nintendo ties

If you're lucky enough to find a printing company with visible ties to either Bandai Namco or Nintendo, working backwards from there wouldn't be all too crazy once you can find out a name that works there. One of the biggest things that supported this rumor at one point was there being a visible "connection" between one of the companies and Bandai Namco, despite them not handling marketing. Of course a lot of this also supposes that the LinkedIn profiles were legitimate to begin with, seeing how those were deleted. Conveniently; wasn't he the only name listed for one of those companies?

 

[Pyra]

It's definitely this specific MS paint brush. But what I've found is it takes only three passes to render the text entirely illegible, and the brush isn't even at the largest setting in the leaked image.

I'd also argue it's unlikely he was rushed, given he took the time cut the three images together, after the name was "scrubbed."

Perhaps I probably shouldn't have said "rushed". While I was thinking that it became a bit apparent that it seemed more intentional than anything.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Except zero manipulation is required. The name is visible to the naked eye.

with that specific brush it's very easy to mistake it being fully solid, i would not be surprised if the bad cover upping of his name was an oversight by whoever Eric sent the snap to

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What was GameExplain's response to the Ken Leak? As in, did they talk about it much outside their initial video? Because they might just not like talking about leaks. I'm pretty they've never or rarely mentioned text leaks like Vergeben's.

They talked about it in their weekly update...
It makes this situation even more suspicious

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I apologize if this has been brought to attention already (as this thread is just too fast to keep up with now) but I saw this interesting post in a comment chain on /v/.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/436661559/#436662751
Make of it what you will of course.

 

[Deathcarter]

Team Fake theory here:
They covered the name but left it visible so that people would easily find it.
They wanted people to find the name, because it's the name of a person who works with promotional stuff etc.
It was only to make the leak more credible and the actual person is not connected with the leak in any way, they just found that name and decided to use it.
The fake leaker will never come out because he could get into legal troubles for what he did: we'll never know anything about all this, it will fade into obscurity.

This is what I don't get about this argument: How would linking a fake leak to Eric Bricard and his company make the leak stronger given that the likely conclusion to that plan would have been that he and the company would have denied any association with Smash Nintendo like Marina? How would the leaker know that the company wouldn't have put out any sort of statement killing the fake leak on the spot?

 

[Spinzilla]

I kinda feel Dixie and Bandana Dee will be DLC if the banner leak is true. Other then that, pretty legit prediction I could almost see it happening.

You're probably right. I'd probably take out Ribbon Girl for Dixie and Bandana Dee for Andy or Monster Hunter.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Except zero manipulation is required. The name is visible to the naked eye.

And yet we can only see the name on 1 of the 2 snaps. It's a botched job.

Like, seriously... to assume the leaker left a name on purpose by only "slightly" scrubbing it out is to assume the leaker meant for the internet to find a name, search for it on LinkedIn, connect it to 2 different French printing companies, and have 4 days worth of arguments on backgrounds and a Grinch movie.

Does anyone have any idea who ludicrous that sounds?

 

[Mc.Rad]

Im still confused on why people really think that Banjo can happen only because of a statement. I mean... nobody is considering really how HUGE this would be if it actually happens. This is an iconic 90’s Video Game character being a playable character in one of the BIGGEST Nintendo game of all time. Not only that, but Banjo still belongs to Microsoft and has not been sold over to Nintendo or has there ever been any deal between the two besides RARE being bought. This is a major, GAINT, tech corporation allowing Nintendo to use a specific character from their list of 2nd parties, no deals or anything, no acquisitions... and even no real benefit to Microsoft? Again these are the people who thought they owned Donkey Kong after they bought Rare...

I think the only thing that could Dissuade me is if anybody can tell me about a 2nd party or 1st party of a company crossing over to a rival company’s game. Not something where they were already working at a lower level or the rights were sold off or something... an ACTIVE 2nd or 1st party crossing over into a rival company’s game...

I do hate saying this, but I think that a discussion on how Banjo could be in and maybe even some searching for clues that lead to this other than social media statements could lead to something...

 

[Untouch]

Like I said, I'd wager they pulled it up in paint.

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They were probably rushing or something, and the "watercolor brush" is just larger than the solid brushes.

Otherwise, they probably did it on purpose to lead people on a goose chase.

EDIT: I realized I'm not the only person who's said this. Neat. Haha

This has been my theory the whole time, covering the name makes it look like there's something to hide that he doesn't want people to see.
Where was the name anyways, I noticed he crossed something out on what looks like a receipt but people are saying the best evidence is from the Snapchat name?

 

[ShadowGamer193]

If you're lucky enough to find a printing company with visible ties to either Bandai Namco or Nintendo, working backwards from there wouldn't be all too crazy once you can find out a name that works there. One of the biggest things that supported this rumor at one point was there being a visible "connection" between one of the companies and Bandai Namco, despite them not handling marketing. Of course a lot of this also supposes that the LinkedIn profiles were legitimate to begin with, seeing how those were deleted. Conveniently; wasn't he the only name listed for those companies?

The LinkedIn profiles were made a long time ago. His second one citing him working at the new company for 1y and 8m, supporting the fact he hadn’t worked at Marina since 2016. Also, I think they were set to private, not deleted.

 

[TheBazry64]

Now Rogersbase who often does things with GameXplain also states he does not believe the leak.
I wonder what that could mean....

On a serious note, the amount of "insiders" against the leak is so high that it is suspicious to me, that normally doesn't happen as insiders want to stand out with their information. And then of all things, Smash, the game that most likely is the most secured game by Nintendo, all of them agree?

This is totally leak bait. Call me a conspiracy theorist but conspiracys happen in Smash just look at the ballot.

 

[Heartz♥]

Are you kidding

If this isn't K. Rool's death-knell when he dies falling to the bottom blastzone I'll be hella disappointed. It'd be ALMOST as bad as Pac-Man not getting this for his Star KO noise:

Smooth Criminal

Pac not having that was a crime.

 

[The_Intruder]

This is what I don't get about this argument: How would linking a fake leak to Eric Bricard and his company make the leak stronger given that the likely conclusion to that plan would have been that he and the company would have denied any association with Smash Nintendo like Marina? How would the leaker know that the company wouldn't have put out any sort of statement killing the fake leak on the spot?

It's like the perfect murder hidden as an accident lol.

 

[Jetsurge]

NOW WAIT JUST ONE DANG MINUTE

If Banjo gets in, would he keep his iconic goofy voice or will Sakurai pull the ol’ realistic animal noises trick.

You would think he would respect them as third parties but Bowser, all the DK reps, two of which being created by Rare were made animalistic over their goofy voices.

I doubt he would use animal noises for Banjo, they are such an iconic part of his character and D.K used animal voices in the original DKC games.

 

[KMDP]

I think we'll 8 DLC fighters. 6 brand new, 2 echo. 1 or 2 every two or so months.

My guesses (more so wishes)
January- Sora to coincide with KH3 and the release of Final remix on switch, which is announced with his reveal.
March-Springman, Ribbon girl echo. Announced with a huge Arms update and/or DLC package
May- New fire emblem rep to promote Three Houses
July- Monster Hunter.
September-Octoling Echo, announced with Splatoon 2 update
November-Gen 9 pokemon. Update will come with new pokeball pokemon.
December- Andy with a new Advance Wars title for both Switch and mobile.

February or April - Incineroar, to coincide with the the evolution of Ash's Torracat into an Incineroar.

Except zero manipulation is required. The name is visible to the naked eye.

It is?

I can't see it in the image you posted (well, I do see letters, but not "Eric Bricard")
It might be because I'm mildly visually impaired (a minor case of keratoconus, if you're wondering), things "ghost" in my vision (like so, though it's not that bad) and it makes stuff like that difficult to see.

It might also be that you're attuned to it?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I apologize if this has been brought to attention already (as this thread is just too fast to keep up with now) but I saw this interesting post in a comment chain on /v/.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/436661559/#436662751
Make of it what you will of course.

What the hell does this even have to do with Trump? Like that's the big what of it all.

 

[SushiRoll]

This is what I don't get about this argument: How would linking a fake leak to Eric Bricard and his company make the leak stronger given that the likely conclusion to that plan would have been that he and the company would have denied any association with Smash Nintendo like Marina? How would the leaker know that the company wouldn't have put out any sort of statement killing the fake leak on the spot?

No.

It doesn't matter that they deny it. If you assume it's real, they still don't confirm it, because then they're breaking trust of a customer, and potentially setting themselves up for a lawsuit. If it's fake they ignore it or deny it. If it's real they ignore it or deny it. It does not matter what they say.

 

[Whia]

Also here is a intresting Gamefaqs thread

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77139606

I had this same thought.

In order for the leak to be fake, it would mean this guy was using ACP property/equipment to do it. Which while not impossible, it feels unlikely that they would let an employee waste company time and resources on some random personal pet project.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I apologize if this has been brought to attention already (as this thread is just too fast to keep up with now) but I saw this interesting post in a comment chain on /v/.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/436661559/#436662751
Make of it what you will of course.

It's 4chan. I've seen so many of those kinds of posts that they are worthless.

 

[Pyra]

For no reason in particular, I'm treating the leak banner as a coloring book and I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out what Ken is supposed to be doing. At first glance to me, it kinda looks like he should be going to a chiropractor, but maybe I'm thinking about it wrong.

Definitely a lot harder to me to play coloring-book with than Banjo

Greninja's tongue is unforunately placed, though.


I'm not trying to make any claims with this, by the way. Just doing for fun and out of curiosity. Not submitting this as any sort of argument.

 

[Jetsurge]

Moreover, you'd have to ask yourself what 50+ year old is using snapchat, let alone with memey stickers and language worthy of a teenager.

This is why -

 

[T3Z3R1]

The thought that GameXPlain might have insider information which causes them to not talk about the Grinch leak is like having the matrix within The Matrix. This is a theory within a theory of a leak.

Yeah, you're right. Referring to their ESRB discussion with Derrick calling it fake, and now it looks like reasons about why grinch leak was just calling it fake and then move on.

However, I noticed some thing that are difference with their two videos.

Their video on ESRB was 20 mins

Their video on Grinch leak was Just.. ****ING. TWO. MINUTES.

In other words, it looks like they want to call it fake quickly and then move on. 20 minutes dicussion didn't cause nintendo to be angry at them for discussing the leak, but now for some reason, I'm willing to believe that gamexplain don't want to ruin nintendo's sponsorship.

 

[NabiscoFelt]

I apologize if this has been brought to attention already (as this thread is just too fast to keep up with now) but I saw this interesting post in a comment chain on /v/.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/436661559/#436662751
Make of it what you will of course.

The text leaks have evolved...

 

[Jakenimbus]

Im still confused on why people really think that Banjo can happen only because of a statement. I mean... nobody is considering really how HUGE this would be if it actually happens. This is an iconic 90’s Video Game character being a playable character in one of the BIGGEST Nintendo game of all time. Not only that, but Banjo still belongs to Microsoft and has not been sold over to Nintendo or has there ever been any deal between the two besides RARE being bought. This is a major, GAINT, tech corporation allowing Nintendo to use a specific character from their list of 2nd parties, no deals or anything, no acquisitions... and even no real benefit to Microsoft? Again these are the people who thought they owned Donkey Kong after they bought Rare...

I think the only thing that could Dissuade me is if anybody can tell me about a 2nd party or 1st party of a company crossing over to a rival company’s game. Not something where they were already working at a lower level or the rights were sold off or something... an ACTIVE 2nd or 1st party crossing over into a rival company’s game...

I honestly could see why Microsoft would make a deal with Nintendo about adding in Banjo. What if Nintendo has some arrangement with Microsoft that Microsoft gets a cut of the money from smash bros ultimate in exchange for representation? I have friends buying a switch just so they can play smash so Microsoft obviously assumes that the profit is gonna be significant so it is a good deal for them. Besides, Microsoft seems to like the idea of having some of their reps in smash because smash has become such a huge game. Smash single handily features several of video game’s iconic legends and in addition, it also can convince people to buy the game that the character is from. Overall, I think Microsoft would not mind at all reaching a deal with Nintendo.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I apologize if this has been brought to attention already (as this thread is just too fast to keep up with now) but I saw this interesting post in a comment chain on /v/.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/436661559/#436662751
Make of it what you will of course.

Thats... an... interesting post...
Anyways, I feel this could very well possible... Even if the "Isaac was meant for the Direct, but was delayed due to the earthquake" thing makes no sense to me...

 

[TheCJBrine]

I'm not seeing how the name is "visible?"

I mean, if you look closely, you can kinda make out the letters that are supposedly blacked out, but to me it looks entirely like what a normal person would think is enough...

 

[Untouch]

Wait, I see it now, they're right in the corner.
Of course I'm just making an assumption here, but if he knew how to edit the picture in paint, wouldn't cropping the name out completely work better?
He used the last brush available in Windows 10 paint, which is the least opaque it seems.

Notably, it also says that the snapchat was taken 11 seconds ago in the picture, it's really evident, am I supposed to believe his friends got this picture right away and took a screenshot right away?

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

For no reason in particular, I'm treating the leak banner as a coloring book and I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out what Ken is supposed to be doing. At first glance to me, it kinda looks like he should be going to a chiropractor, but maybe I'm thinking about it wrong.

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Maybe there's one of those little puffs of whatever that kinda floats on the wind that everybody tries to grab out of the air when they fly by, and he's reaching up to grab it? I bet Ken has a soft side.

 

[Jetsurge]

In other words, it looks like they want to call it fake quickly and then move on. 20 minutes dicussion didn't cause nintendo to be angry at them for discussing the leak, but now for some reason, I'm willing to believe that gamexplain don't want to ruin nintendo's sponsorship.

They've grown a lot bigger since then. They have over a million subs now.

 

[Weeman]

For no reason in particular, I'm treating the leak banner as a coloring book and I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out what Ken is supposed to be doing. At first glance to me, it kinda looks like he should be going to a chiropractor, but maybe I'm thinking about it wrong.

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Definitely a lot harder to me to play coloring-book with than Banjo
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Greninja's tongue is unforunately placed, though.


I'm not trying to make any claims with this, by the way. Just doing for fun and out of curiosity. Not submitting this as any sort of argument.

Ken's is definitely a fire shoryuken, both the right arm and right leg are raised, his left leg seems blocked by whover is below him.

 

[Chandeelure]

We will probably know the truth in like 2 weeks.