Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Imadethistoseealeak]

First, we need to stop putting Isabelle into semi-clone status. Aside from aesthetics, she shares very little in common with Villager. Same dash attack, same neutralB, similar upB. Are Lucario and Mewtwo semi-clones too?

Second, even though Snake, Y. Link, Pichu, Wolf and Ice Climbers aren't newcomers because we've seen them before, they needed to be recreated from the ground up in the Smash Ultimate engine, with brand new textures, 3D models, animations, etc. Nothing can just be ported from Melee/Brawl. They have direct references to use, so the characters kind of skip the concept phase, but past that, they take substantially more work than echoes and more closely resemble newcomers in terms of work load.

With that in mind:

Brawl: |

For: |

Ultimate: |

Ultimate's total final roster hasn't been announced yet, but from what we have so far, it's looking right on par with what we should expect.

And Sakurai even said that because the priority was bringing everyone back there weren't going to be as many newcomers , so this works out perfectly. Also helps appreciate what we have

also if we are going to use this logic we should consider Dr. Mario a newcomer for 4 too....it's not a big deal just saying...

 

[Wintermelon43]

Honestly, I'm not surprised to hear that stuff about Crunchii. Something about him always felt a bit odd/bad to me, with stuff like the weird codes he did to get attention and stuff...

Though this does make me curious if he stole the ultimate menu rip from somebody too.

 

[staindgrey]

also if we are going to use this logic we should consider Dr. Mario a newcomer for 4 too....it's not a big deal just saying...

You're right. I completely forgot that he wasn't in Brawl.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

 

[Nekoo]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

Lmao no.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

We all need to seriously consider the possibility that Shrek could be the surprise character for Ultimate.

• A moveset for Shrek can be easily created, given the four movies and several smaller animations he's appeared in
• Shrek's Final Smash practically writes itself
• Partnering with DreamWorks is much more possible considering they have had video game representation for Shrek before
• Shrek has appeared on a Nintendo console many times
• Shrek has been in a fighting game (Shrek Super Slam)
• There are entire worlds of stages that could be created for Shrek (I'm partial to Lord Farquaad's castle, and The Swamp)
• Shrek could even arrive with his own echo fighter (Fiona)
• With Shrek 5 on the horizon, he's easily billable as a Shrek 5 promotion
• There is a disturbing lack of light green in the roster
• Masahiro Shrekurai rolls off the tongue

I know it's a little bit less likely than Ken, but we should prepare ourselves for the inevitable.

 

[Ura]

First, we need to stop putting Isabelle into semi-clone status. Aside from aesthetics, she shares very little in common with Villager. Same dash attack, same neutralB, similar upB. Are Lucario and Mewtwo semi-clones too?

Second, even though Snake, Y. Link, Pichu, Wolf and Ice Climbers aren't newcomers because we've seen them before, they needed to be recreated from the ground up in the Smash Ultimate engine, with brand new textures, 3D models, animations, etc. Nothing can just be ported from Melee/Brawl. They have direct references to use, so the characters kind of skip the concept phase, but past that, they take substantially more work than echoes and more closely resemble newcomers in terms of work load.

With that in mind:

Brawl: |

For: |

Ultimate: |

Ultimate's total final roster hasn't been announced yet, but from what we have so far, it's looking right on par with what we should expect.

I was speaking in regards to newcomers strictly. Obviously, the reason we're seeing less newcomers was because development was focused on veterans rather than newcomers. Otherwise "I hope you're not expecting too many new challengers" wouldn't exist.

 

[osby]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

RD what?

 

[Wintermelon43]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

I don't know what that is so no

 

[Deleted member]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

They're both released more then a month apart from each other, plus they also have different target audiences so it's extremely unlikely.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

Nah... That thing's coming out in October... Smash is coming out in December (in fact, I'm pretty sure that Smash is the biggest release of December)

But if you mean in terms of awards, of course... Smash 4 didn't even get nominated for game of the year at the 2014 game awards

 

[Androobie]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

You can’t be serious.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

>Japanese name of Forest Maze


*Intrigueness Intesifies*

 

[Deleted member]

We all need to seriously consider the possibility that Shrek could be the surprise character for Ultimate.

• A moveset for Shrek can be easily created, given the four movies and several smaller animations he's appeared in
• Shrek's Final Smash practically writes itself
• Partnering with DreamWorks is much more possible considering they have had video game representation for Shrek before
• Shrek has appeared on a Nintendo console many times
• Shrek has been in a fighting game (Shrek Super Slam)
• There are entire worlds of stages that could be created for Shrek (I'm partial to Lord Farquaad's castle, and The Swamp)
• Shrek could even arrive with his own echo fighter (Fiona)
• With Shrek 5 on the horizon, he's easily billable as a Shrek 5 promotion
• There is a disturbing lack of light green in the roster
• Masahiro Shrekurai rolls off the tongue

I know it's a little bit less likely than Ken, but we should prepare ourselves for the inevitable.

Don't forget that Illumination is making the Mario movie, and Illumination is owned by Comcast Universal, which also owns Dreamworks Animation.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

RD what?

I don't know what that is so no

Red Dead Redemption 2

You can’t be serious.

It's ****ING Rockstar Games, they revolutionized the videogame industry with their games

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

First, we need to stop putting Isabelle into semi-clone status. Aside from aesthetics, she shares very little in common with Villager. Same dash attack, same neutralB, similar upB. Are Lucario and Mewtwo semi-clones too?

Second, even though Snake, Y. Link, Pichu, Wolf and Ice Climbers aren't newcomers because we've seen them before, they needed to be recreated from the ground up in the Smash Ultimate engine, with brand new textures, 3D models, animations, etc. Nothing can just be ported from Melee/Brawl. They have direct references to use, so the characters kind of skip the concept phase, but past that, they take substantially more work than echoes and more closely resemble newcomers in terms of work load.

With that in mind:

Brawl: |

For: |

Ultimate: |

Ultimate's total final roster hasn't been announced yet, but from what we have so far, it's looking right on par with what we should expect.

Is Lucas really so forgettable?

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

Don't forget that Illumination is making the Mario movie, and Illumination is owned by Comcast Universal, who also owns Dreamworks Animation.

Minions Assist Trophy?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

We all need to seriously consider the possibility that Shrek could be the surprise character for Ultimate.

• A moveset for Shrek can be easily created, given the four movies and several smaller animations he's appeared in
• Shrek's Final Smash practically writes itself
• Partnering with DreamWorks is much more possible considering they have had video game representation for Shrek before
• Shrek has appeared on a Nintendo console many times
• Shrek has been in a fighting game (Shrek Super Slam)
• There are entire worlds of stages that could be created for Shrek (I'm partial to Lord Farquaad's castle, and The Swamp)
• Shrek could even arrive with his own echo fighter (Fiona)
• With Shrek 5 on the horizon, he's easily billable as a Shrek 5 promotion
• There is a disturbing lack of light green in the roster
• Masahiro Shrekurai rolls off the tongue

You forgot the most important point...
I've heard that Sakurai is secretly a fan of Smash Mouth and took Smash from their name as a little homage /s
Please don't take this post serriously

 

[Deleted member]

Minions Assist Trophy?

Nah, Minions are going to be an Ice Climbers echo. It's Gru that gets to be the Assist Trophy.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Could you imagine if we got Doc Louis as a DLC character?

He's actually my 4th most wanted Echo fighter. (3rd is Roll to Megaman, 2nd is Sonic Character to Sonic, and 1st is Crono to Cloud... yes, it could work).

Like, I get it... different sizes. Wish they could just expand the character, and switch a few stats around.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Nah, Minions are going to be an Ice Climbers echo. It's Gru that gets to be the Assist Trophy.

The assist trophy is gonna be the 3 girls
Pretty sure Gru is gonna be Bayonetta's Echo

 

[Robertman2]

RDR2 and Smash can coexist. Nothing even comes out the week of Smash outside of Katamari Reroll on Steam, and the flops known as the Persona Dancing games

 

[Michael the Spikester]

>Minions and Gru.

You guys have officially scraped to the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

>Minions and Gru.

You guys have officially scraped to the bottom of the barrel.

Nonsense! I went straight for the bottom of the barrel and ignored everything on top.

 

[PsySmasher]

Do you people think that RDR2 might overshadow Smash Ultimate?

They're two separate genres coming out on separate consoles more than a month apart from each other.

i don't think Red Dead Redemption 2 would impact Smash sales.

 

[Deleted member]

>Minions and Gru.

You guys have officially scraped to the bottom of the barrel.

We've been doing that since 2014.

 

[Door Key Pig]

I actually want Glass Joe as a joke character but yeah Doc Louis would be a good Echo.

Doc would be great but he's sadly different proportioned than Mac, so he could fall under semiclone the same way Isabelle did.

 

[Nekoo]

You know what I realized. Ever since "Sassy Geno" was brought back up alongside Vergeben and Tansut claim about Square-Enix the fake leaks around Geno keep multiplying in an alarming level...

Like, at this point you see more fake leaks about Geno than about smash.

It's very sad to see.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

RDR2 along with God of War and Spider-Man are surely guarantees for GotY. As some folks said fighting games usually don't win GotY.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Minions Assist Trophy?

Could somebody please banish this post to the deepest, darkest crevices underneath hell itself?

 

[PsySmasher]

RDR2 along with God of War and Spider-Man are surely guarantees for GotY. As some folks said fighting games usually don't win GotY.

Would Smash even qualify for GOTY? Doesn't it come out the day before the Game Awards?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

RDR2 along with God of War and Spider-Man are surely guarantees for GotY. As some folks said fighting games usually don't win GotY.

Ummm... Soul Caliber was the GotY of 1999 was it not?

>Minions and Gru.

You guys have officially scraped to the bottom of the barrel.

We haven't truly scrapped the bottom of the barrel until we mention the Emoji Movie by name....
Umm... Oops... I'm sorry

 

[Wiziliz]

>Japanese name of Forest Maze


*Intrigueness Intesifies*

That actually has me worried that Geno isn't in the game. If the game has gone gold, and this person has it, hence has knowledge of the songs, I'm sure they'd get in trouble for leaking Geno, so maybe they're lying, meaning he isn't here? I'm going to hope this isn't the case...

 

[Deleted member]

We're far past the point of scratching the bottom of the barrel, we're eating the whole barrel itself already.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ummm... Soul Caliber was the winner of 1999 was it not?

That's why I said "usually".

My gut is telling me Red Dead Redemption 2 is gonna win.

 

[amazonevan19]

We haven't truly scrapped the bottom of the barrel until we mention the Emoji Movie by name....
Umm... Oops... I'm sorry

Geneo Soulessly Cashes Into Battle!

if Gene got in over Geno...oh man

 

[Deleted member]

That actually has me worried that Geno isn't in the game. If the game has gone gold, and this person has it, hence has knowledge of the songs, I'm sure they'd get in trouble for leaking Geno, so maybe they're lying, meaning he isn't here? I'm going to hope this isn't the case...

There's a pretty good chance they're lying.

Ummm... Soul Caliber was the GotY of 1999 was it not?

We haven't truly scrapped the bottom of the barrel until we mention the Emoji Movie by name....
Umm... Oops... I'm sorry

Can't wait for the Emoji Movie 2: Ralph Breaks the Internet

 

[alemerltoucanet]

>Minions and Gru.

You guys have officially scraped to the bottom of the barrel.

Well I want Edward Scissorhands.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Watch that rather then Sora we get Wreck-It Ralph as a character in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Watch that rather then Sora we get Wreck-It Ralph as a character in Smash.

If Wreck-It-Ralph 2 didn't exist, I'd be okay with this.