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Higher priority relative to the last minute additions/ characters who were on the brink of nearly being cut. The only characters we know were squeezed in at the last minute were the 6 clones and the only non-clone character we know who was on the brink of nearly being left off was Bowser Jr.
Their Final Smashes can be the end-all versions of the moves.
Donkey Kong's current Final Smash is both uninteresting and terrible. And Strong Kong can be given an extra property or two, like making DK stronger or faster.
Actually, Puff was going to be cut in Melee, as Sakurai considered it a joke in SSB64. Puff was kept due to being popular.
Captain Falcon. How did anything on his moveset happen in the first place? I'm not complaining of course, it's just bizarre to think about.Here's another talking point.
Anyone had a Smash character that you were introduced to through Smash, went to play/complete and love their original games... But you just can't look at them in Smash and put them together with their origin no matter how hard you try?
For my own example,and
Puff was considered to be cut, not planned. There' s a difference, similar to how Takamaru was considered but never planned for Smash 4.
When the **** would it ever come to that point though.
So, she was still lower priority, but higher than a few others? Now that I wouldn't be very surprised by.
That's what I thought.
Usually I would have a screenshot of the results replied to the post of the winner on my page.Is there anywhere you have all the results of your polls easily accessible? You Tweet too much for me to just go hunting!
This would be the single most out of character thing ever.
I'm almost certain Jigglypuff got in as a lower effort Kirby semiclone.
I agree that it seems a bit soon, especially after how long the Smash 4 speculation went on for.
That's true for Smash 64. Do we have any information on her in Melee other than her being kept in due to popularity?
I don't remember seeing anything on the Melee website.
My nibba, Wii Fit ain't going anywhere.
If he did use it by itself, it would stop all his opponents from attacking.
Dude, it was so hard thinking of 10 characters to cut to balance out the 10 additions I was going to talk about. Granted, I probably could've added Roy/Lucas somewhere now that I think about it. *Shrug*
He’s a weird case. If only he had a proper backstory rather than “he’s just standard Mario”...As for the Megavitamins, I meant being able to use them as part of his attacks more instead if being restricted to a B move. Maybe even be able to incorporate the viruses as well.yeah honestly Jigglypuff seems like this deadweight the series carries around for the sake of having her. This is both shown how she's been among the last characters added to Brawl and Smash 4, as well as how her attacks and attributes are generally unchanged
Just to play Devil's Advocate for a bit:
Her time masquerading as “Marth” was short-lived. When Chrom confronts “him”, Chrom instantly recognizes the fighting style to which Chrom asks “him” who taught “him” to fight like that and “he” mentions “my father!”. The cutscene shows them fighting using the same fighting style. In-game Awakening lore Lucina states that she knows next to nothing about Marth. IS screwed up in the in-game battle animations. Well, it was just IS using the same model for Marth and Lucina; just changing their heads. Then we have the whole Viridi thing mentioning that Chrom would be too similar to Ike. At this point, Lucina being a speedy Ike would have been slightly more preferable.
He should have ditched the Silver Arrow and stick with the Dark Pit Staff and the rest of the Uprising weapons to completely represent Uprising.
I think a lot of people would beg to differ, and that's what Sakurai is scared of.
I mean, annoyed initially, yes? Not going to buy the game? Very unlikely. I think there's a handful of characters that he could leave out. People still bought the game when we thought Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, Wolf, Ice Climbers etc. weren't going to be in it.
Just worst case scenario. I exaggerated the number.
Other than the cut of Wii Fit Trainer, everything else seemed reasonable.
But it literally goes against everything Marth is as a character.
My Captain Falcon theory: (I think I read this somewhere but don't have a source so I'm calling it a theory)
First, that doesn't even make sense, you could argue "this can be done by any other character" for most of the roster. Well, any RPG character can also have an out-of-character Final Smash too, like you suggested.
Now that I think about it, Smash 64 Cpt. Falcon started out as a Samus semi-clone.
Yeah, I didn't have much reason beyond "Is Wii Fit even on the Switch?" and the annoyance many had for her when she was revealed. I figured that she was definitely more likely than the others I mentioned though, as it was literally a case of "I have 9/10, who else is there to add?"
I don't think I can disagree more. If he's responding to what people want, that's a good thing. They've already spent time and resources into balancing preexisting characters multiple times. The newer characters are more likely to be polarizing. They fixed Meta Knight, then throughout Smash 4 greatly tweaked Greninja, Rosa, Sheik, and Diddy. Now, everyone is still complaining about Bayonetta and Cloud.
There's something being left unstated here and it confuses me. Do you think Lucina would be better off as a Marth alt? Should Falco have been a Fox alt in Melee? I don't see what that accomplishes other than being a strict subtraction of the game's content with no benefit. As for polish, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean art because, again, that's not relevant. What that leaves is mechanical polish and, in that regard, I don't really understand what you want them to do that clones are preventing them from accomplishing. While a game should be well play-tested and not buggy, Smash is already pretty good about that, it's just that, like all games, eventually it gets broken because no team in the world can test a game as much as it's tested by players in like its first week of release for a game like Smash. Not only that, but skipping ahead, you noted that we are in:
So a game not being perfectly playtested (and even Melee somehow still probably isn't) is even less of a problem because any issues can be fixed after release.
Not important to the argument, but I find this to be a bizarre way of looking at things. It's weird how relativism leads to absolutism...
I don't think that this is exactly accurate, but it's also irrelevant, including for the reason you mention immediately after, so this has no function in proving anything.
And you continue to say things with doing anything to complete an actual argument for them. What's the difference between Falco as a Fox alt and Falco as a clone? The involvement of programmers in changing framedata and so on. Anything that is going towards art is being contributed by other people, so it makes no difference. It's not like those programmers would instead become artists and we'd have 10 new costumes if they didn't need to give Falco's neutral special hitstun.
Here's the difficulty in this being turn-based, I guess, but it can be seen from my previous comments that this is a non-sequitur.
You're just repeating yourself without addressing the point.
If the choice is between costume and clone, how does that even matter? Does Falco being a skin of Fox do something to preserve his integrity that him being in his own slot with his own play style fails to do?
I try to avoid shouting "Fallacy!" but that's a slippery slope argument that doesn't prove anything about the claim that I'm actually making, in part because it makes assumptions that I never did (such as that the same character can be successfully iterated on more than once). If you want to push what I said farther, a much better analogy would be:
That's a more fair representation of my logic, and you know what? I agree with it. If there are enough characters out there that could justifiably be interpreted as clones and would otherwise be alts for those characters, I'd be all for it. There's no benefit to, for example, keeping Alph as a costume as opposed to letting him be his own character who uses the new Pikmin types while Olimar goes back to using the ones from 1 and 2. There's the same amount of art work being done, but also more gameplay potential added. It seems like a win-win.
You personally might react that way, and other people undoubtedly would, but a lot of those other people are the sort of idiots who think clones take up slots that could have been occupied by a completely original character, which is just false.
If anything, he should be using the completed Shield of Seals instead.
Okay, that's fair enough. It seems strange to me that people wouldn't buy a game with a roster of over 50 characters because one is missing but that's your call, not mine.
I can kinda agree with this, I know I'd be pretty livid if Mewtwo was cut after we JUST got him back, and after I finally chose him as a main too. I'd hate for the 2 or so years that I mained him to have gone to waste, plus the time I spent with Lucina prior, it'd all feel like a waste of time. I feel Lucina is on the chopping block for the new game already, so if I end up losing Mewtwo as well, I don't know if I'd be willing to even bother with the new game, especially at a competitive level.
You mean flat as in "Mr. Game & Watch" flat? Paper Mario would be the most obvious option if you ask me.
A simple FS like Critical Hit fits a classic character such as Marth.
