Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[CosmicQuark]

Nothing, sadly. I'm hoping for an announcement sometime next week.
Come to think of it, what do people think we might get the next announcement? I'm expecting a newcomer and an echo fighter at the very least, likely some more assist trophies, and details on Spirits.

Of course, there's those that think the next announcement may be the final announcement as well.

I have absolutely no clue at this point--my powers of speculation are failing me.

If all the characters Verge said are what's left: One final Direct, with Incineroar, Ken, and the SE rep. If these are the characters, I'm betting on no more new stages. We delve into the single player mode (not called Spirits), we have a section on new modes, trophies, and Pokemon/items/assists, where a Creeper assist pops up. And--that's all I can think of.

My dream final direct:
Begins with Banjo & Kazooie, talks about their moves, stage with Gruntilda boss (her rhymes would be the codec replacements) and Mumbo Jumbo assist, all mirroring Simon's reveal. Echo fighters Ken and Shadow (okay, in my dream it would be Dixie and Shadow). Followed by the single player mode, that includes new stages, and this is where Minecraft pops up. We finally get a reveal of all 108 stages. Alt costumes are shown off, and there's a lot more than we expect, perhaps some bragging as to how many different combinations there are. New Pokemon/items/assists, and Incineroar pops up (okay in my dream along with Sceptile). Sakurai reveals the plans for DLC, and then has one more thing: Geno ends the Direct (I'll add in Boshi for Zinith). Seems so perfect, which is why it's not gonna happen.

 

[NineS]

As long as it still plays like a character action game and not a JRPG, I'll continue to have no interest.

That's kind of why they want it to be different. They know they can't really live up to the expectations of faithfully recreating the experience of playing FFVII, so they're looking to create a different experience that is grand in it's own way.

I have absolutely no clue at this point--my powers of speculation are failing me.

If all the characters Verge said are what's left: One final Direct, with Incineroar, Ken, and the SE rep. If these are the characters, I'm betting on no more new stages. We delve into the single player mode (not called Spirits), we have a section on new modes, trophies, and Pokemon/items/assists, where a Creeper assist pops up. And--that's all I can think of.

My dream final direct:
Begins with Banjo & Kazooie, talks about their moves, stage with Gruntilda boss (her rhymes would be the codec replacements) and Mumbo Jumbo assist, all mirroring Simon's reveal. Echo fighters Ken and Shadow (okay, in my dream it would be Dixie and Shadow). Followed by the single player mode, that includes new stages, and this is where Minecraft pops up. We finally get a reveal of all 108 stages. Alt costumes are shown off, and there's a lot more than we expect, perhaps some bragging as to how many different combinations there are. New Pokemon/items/assists, and Incineroar pops up (okay in my dream along with Sceptile). Sakurai reveals the plans for DLC, and then has one more thing: Geno ends the Direct (I'll add in Boshi for Zinith). Seems so perfect, which is why it's not gonna happen.

I still don't believe the next direct, or the characters Vergeben has revealed, are going to be our only characters. I'm not sure why, I'd say it's blind faith but it's almost never that for me in any situation. There's always a sense of doubt in me somewhere, but I strongly believe we'll at the very least get two more Nintendo Directs, with at the bare minimum, one more character that Vergeben hasn't revealed. Granted, if it's not that, then I could be considered a blind optimist in this situation.

Also, Boshi.

 

[Robertman2]

Remember when Verge endorsed the leak with a playable Steve? Because I do

 

[NineS]

Remember when Verge endorsed the leak with a playable Steve? Because I do

He himself didn't necessarily say Steve was playable.
It was another leaker who said Steve would be playable, a leaker that Vergeben said is usually reliable. Of course, he didn't confirm or deny what the leaker said, only that it's possible and this person has a good history.

 

[DarthEnderX]

That's kind of why they want it to be different. They know they can't really live up to the expectations of faithfully recreating the experience of playing FFVII, so they're looking to create a different experience that is grand in it's own way..

If they're okay with me not buying it, then more power to them.

Because there's no way I'm spending money on "FF7, only its FF15".

 

[Jetsurge]

If they're okay with me not buying it, then more power to them.

Because there's no way I'm spending money on "FF7, only its FF15".

Your opinion might be different by the time the game releases in 2025.

 

[NineS]

If they're okay with me not buying it, then more power to them.

Because there's no way I'm spending money on "FF7, only its FF15".

I feel a more accurate description of it is more "FF7, if it came after FF15". Both games have incredibly different stories, overall themes and messages, etc, with FF7R likely surpassing whatever FF15 has to offer (Subjective, I know.), at least in terms of pure overall content. Of course, I don't blame you for preferring the classic JRPG style, but I think you may be overstating what FF7R overall has in common with FF15.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Remember when Verge endorsed the leak with a playable Steve? Because I do

Verge confirmed that his sources tend to line up with Hitagi's (and let's not forget how sketchy Hitagi is in the first place--also he's now saying Steve's probably DLC). Verge clarified that his *non-Smash* sources heard murmurs (from other people) that Steve might be playable. So that's he said, they said, they said. Or... if Verge is multiple people, now they said, they said, they said. Which is why Verge is only confirming Minecraft *content*. It's possible, but the evidence so far is not as adequate as the ones he's actually confirmed.

 

[Iridium]

What talk are we at now?

Anyway, because I want to keep people's starter choices (barring potential Amiibo), does anybody here want to vote in my poll? Ends December 7th, so I want to get as many results as possible. I'm at 73 (74?) votes right now.

Here it is.

Choose a starter character, and this is if you had to start off with them only.

 

[KMDP]

I feel a more accurate description of it is more "FF7, if it came after FF15". Both games have incredibly different stories, overall themes and messages, etc, with FF7R likely surpassing whatever FF15 has to offer (Subjective, I know.), at least in terms of pure overall content. Of course, I don't blame you for preferring the classic JRPG style, but I think you may be overstating what FF7R overall has in common with FF15.

When people said they wanted a "Final Fantasy VII Remake", what they meant was "Final Fantasy VII with superior graphics, bug fixes, translation fixes (and voice acting), and maybe some (canon) story extensions and references to other Compilation of FF7 entries", not "Final Fantasy VII as an Action RPG (with all that stuff)".

What Square Enix is trying to do with FF7R is a critical misunderstanding of what the fans actually want.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

As long as it still plays like a character action game and not a JRPG, I'll continue to have no interest.

I've seen how combat goes in FFXV. That's an insult to character action games and I will not stand for it

For those that don't know you just need to hold the attack button down and Noctis automatically runs to the enemy, attacks them and after killing them, moves on to the next. A single button hold can do that

 

[Jetsurge]

What talk are we at now?

Anyway, because I want to keep people's starter choices (barring potential Amiibo), does anybody here want to vote in my poll? Ends December 7th, so I want to get as many results as possible. I'm at 73 (74?) votes right now.

Here it is.

Choose a starter character, and this is if you had to start off with them only.

Voted for DK because playing him probably unlocks K. Rool.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

He himself didn't necessarily say Steve was playable.
It was another leaker who said Steve would be playable, a leaker that Vergeben said is usually reliable. Of course, he didn't confirm or deny what the leaker said, only that it's possible and this person has a good history.

Didn't the leaker that leaked Steve mention the new switch Model?
He might have some legit information...

 

[Nekoo]

I've seen how combat goes in FFXV. That's an insult to character action games and I will not stand for it

For those that don't know you just need to hold the attack button down and Noctis automatically runs to the enemy, attacks them and after killing them, moves on to the next. A single button hold can do that

Not to defend the turd that was this game but you die in the first 10minute by doing that lmao-

When people said they wanted a "Final Fantasy VII Remake", what they meant was "Final Fantasy VII with superior graphics, bug fixes, translation fixes (and voice acting), and maybe some (canon) story extensions and references to other Compilation of FF7 entries", not "Final Fantasy VII as an Action RPG (with all that stuff)".

What Square Enix is trying to do with FF7R is a critical misunderstanding of what the fans actually want.

I'm maybe wrong, but wasn't it confirmed that FF7R had an ATB/Characters switch and that it was just the "visual presentation" that made it look like an ARPG?

Like, you still have the menu/ATB but visually it look like an Action RPG instead of just two people waiting?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not to defend the turd that was this game but you die in the first 10minute by doing that lmao-



I'm maybe wrong, but wasn't it confirmed that FF7R had an ATB/Characters switch and that it was just the "visual presentation" that made it look like an ARPG?

Like, you still have the menu/ATB but visually it look like an Action RPG instead of just two people waiting?

For everything that doesn't work for, just use potions and pheonix downs and you're unstoppable

I have no ****ing clue and considering how development's gone, I don't think SE does either

 

[KMDP]

I'm maybe wrong, but wasn't it confirmed that FF7R had an ATB/Characters switch and that it was just the "visual presentation" that made it look like an ARPG?

Like, you still have the menu/ATB but visually it look like an Action RPG instead of just two people waiting?

I have no idea.

If that's actually the case, I'd have no problem.

I have no ****ing clue and considering how development's gone, I don't think SE does either

*laughs*

 

[NineS]

When people said they wanted a "Final Fantasy VII Remake", what they meant was "Final Fantasy VII with superior graphics, bug fixes, translation fixes (and voice acting), and maybe some (canon) story extensions and references to other Compilation of FF7 entries", not "Final Fantasy VII as an Action RPG (with all that stuff)".

What Square Enix is trying to do with FF7R is a critical misunderstanding of what the fans actually want.

As with all remakes, there's bound to be some sort of misunderstanding, or people upset with the changes. What you said what people wanted is more of a remaster of a game with far more content, than it is a remake. A remake is recreating something from scratch, but with a different and obviously more modern/advanced outcome.

Which would not look nearly as good as what we already have seen so far.
Along with all that they ended up scrapping, it's safe to say what we saw in that trailer and what we're going to get are two extremely different beasts now. We're also likely getting far more story than the last game, and it is safe to assume that canon story extensions and references to the other games or canon events are a guarantee. Likely not of anything that comes after FF7 in in-game lore, but likely some foreshadowing. Of course, the transition from JRPG to ARPG is something that will no doubt upset many fans of the original, as no one likes seeing their nostalgia messed with, but in the end it's a transition most will be willing to make. Not to mention, they will likely bring back old fans who left the franchise, and bring in new. Regardless, FFVIIR is a game that will probably end up making Square Enix plenty of money just because it has FFVII in the title, and Cloud's face stamped onto it. It's one of the most iconic entries to the franchise. Calling it anything like XV, aside from potentially combat-wise, is definitely overstating it though considering just how much we actually know and how much of what we know will change.

But yeah, we're definitely not getting the game any time soon seeing how far back they had to restart, and how much they're going to pack into those 3 discs.

Didn't the leaker that leaked Steve mention the new switch Model?
He might have some legit information...

I don't really recall if he said something about the new switch model. I think he might have. I'll need to check.

 

[Robertman2]

If FFVIIR is an ARPG, hope it's more Kingdom Hearts II than FFXV. KHII feels SO damn good to play.

He himself didn't necessarily say Steve was playable.
It was another leaker who said Steve would be playable, a leaker that Vergeben said is usually reliable. Of course, he didn't confirm or deny what the leaker said, only that it's possible and this person has a good history.

He's gotten a few things right, like SNK waifu fighter DLCs, the new Sam Sho, and the Switch Pro. He's definitely worth keeping an eye on, at the very least

 

[Jeck]

So who else is excited for Gooigi? Let's see some hands.

 

[CosmicQuark]

As with all remakes, there's bound to be some sort of misunderstanding, or people upset with the changes. What you said what people wanted is more of a remaster of a game with far more content than a remake. A remake is recreating something from scratch, but with a different and obviously more modern/advanced outcome.

Which would not look nearly as good as what we already have seen so far.
Along with all that they ended up scrapping, it's safe to say what we saw in that trailer and what we're going to get are two extremely different beasts now. We're also likely getting far more story than the last game, and it is safe to assume that canon story extensions and references to the other games or canon events are a guarantee. Likely not of anything that comes after FF7 in in-game lore, but likely some foreshadowing. Of course, the transition from JRPG to ARPG is something that will no doubt upset many fans of the original, as no one likes seeing their nostalgia messed with, but in the end it's a transition most will be willing to make. Not to mention, they will likely bring back old fans who left the franchise, and bring in new. Regardless, FFVIIR is a game that will probably end up making Square Enix plenty of money just because it has FFVII in the title, and Cloud's face stamped onto it. It's one of the most iconic entries to the franchise. Calling it anything like XV, aside from potentially combat-wise, is definitely overstating it though considering just how much we actually know and how much will change.

But yeah, we're definitely not getting the game any time soon seeing how far back they had to restart, and how much they're going to pack into those 3 discs.


I don't really recall if he said something about the new switch model. I think he might have. I'll need to check.

He said a Switch pro--which we do not know what configuration the rumored Switch model will be. In all likelihood, it's a cheaper model as a 3DS replacement in time for Gen 8, in which case Hitagi would have been wrong. But at this point, we don't know. What we do know is many of the stuff he rumored--Verge rumored beforehand. Which makes sense, if they have many of the same sources.

 

[Robertman2]

As with all remakes, there's bound to be some sort of misunderstanding, or people upset with the changes. What you said what people wanted is more of a remaster of a game with far more content than a remake. A remake is recreating something from scratch, but with a different and obviously more modern/advanced outcome.

Which would not look nearly as good as what we already have seen so far.
Along with all that they ended up scrapping, it's safe to say what we saw in that trailer and what we're going to get are two extremely different beasts now. We're also likely getting far more story than the last game, and it is safe to assume that canon story extensions and references to the other games or canon events are a guarantee. Likely not of anything that comes after FF7 in in-game lore, but likely some foreshadowing. Of course, the transition from JRPG to ARPG is something that will no doubt upset many fans of the original, as no one likes seeing their nostalgia messed with, but in the end it's a transition most will be willing to make. Not to mention, they will likely bring back old fans who left the franchise, and bring in new. Regardless, FFVIIR is a game that will probably end up making Square Enix plenty of money just because it has FFVII in the title, and Cloud's face stamped onto it. It's one of the most iconic entries to the franchise.

But yeah, we're definitely not getting the game any time soon seeing how far back they had to restart, and how much they're going to pack into those 3 discs.


I don't really recall if he said something about the new switch model. I think he might have. I'll need to check.

He definitely did some stuff about a bew Seitch model. Even chatted with him in DMs a bit about it.

He said a Switch pro--which we do not know what configuration the rumored Switch model will be. In all likelihood, it's a cheaper model as a 3DS replacement in time for Gen 8, in which case Hitagi would have been wrong. But at this point, we don't know. What we do know is many of the stuff he rumored--Verge rumored beforehand. Which makes sense, if they have many of the same sources.

They could just slash the price of the current model, while making a Switch Pro.

Especially considering the fact the Switch is the 3DS replacement

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

could it be we're gonna have only one direct for smash ultimate? because with that pace it seems so

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

I heard we were discussing an old Geno leak, im assuming it was this one?
https://i.imgtc.com/7WAJlti.jpg

 

[osby]

could it be we're gonna have only one direct for smash ultimate? because with that pace it seems so

That's the impression I get, too. Considering we only have a few fighters left, it makes sense not distributing them to more than one direct.

 

[Jetsurge]

So who else is excited for Gooigi? Let's see some hands.

Luigi's version of Pink Gold Peach finally came to fruition.

 

[NineS]

I heard we were discussing an old Geno leak, im assuming it was this one?
https://i.imgtc.com/7WAJlti.jpg

That's the one.
It was never debunked, and there isn't a model out there like this one as far as people are concerned.

 

[CosmicQuark]

That's the one.
It was never debunked, and there isn't a model out there like this one as far as people are concerned.

It's difficult as Geno's relatively easy to fake, and like any leak that's cropped to bits the question is why not show the whole thing?

That being said, I do think Geno's most likely in. But given Square's knack for secrecy, we might not get anything real beforehand.

 

[NineS]

It's difficult as Geno's relatively easy to fake, and like any leak that's cropped to bits the question is why not show the whole thing?

That being said, I do think Geno's most likely in. But given Square's knack for secrecy, we might not get anything real beforehand.

I still find it interesting that it hasn't been debunked yet, even after all this time. And no one came out and claimed the model as their own work. I'm not saying it is a real leak, but these things are to take into consideration, including the things against it.
Also, praises to the person who made the gif.

 

[Untouch]

I remember another Geno fake leak from a while ago.
It had Silvally (the pokemon) as well.
While people found the Geno render, no one has found the Silvally picture yet.
People can just go really obscure and deep with what they take from.

 

[NineS]

I remember another Geno fake leak from a while ago.
It had Silvally (the pokemon) as well.
While people found the Geno render, no one has found the Silvally picture yet.
People can just go really obscure and deep with what they take from.

Can you try to find the silvally image and post a link here?

 

[FalconFire93]

could it be we're gonna have only one direct for smash ultimate? because with that pace it seems so

At this point, it seems likely, unless they were to announce something soon.

 

[Untouch]

Can you try to find the silvally image and post a link here?

https://imgur.com/qQgVdfZ
The Geno has been found.
Silvally still looks really fake here, but it hasn't been found yet.
(I don't think this is a real leak btw)

 

[CosmicQuark]

At this point, it seems likely, unless they were to announce something soon.

I felt like this was the last week they could have had a non-Direct reveal. As any Direct would be spaced out accordingly, but it now runs the risk of coming up too close to Let's Go. And while I feel like after Let's Go's release would be the ideal way to give Let's Go the room it needs and then focus can shift to Ultimate, at that point leaks would be a dime a dozen.

Which in some ways is disappointing, if true--on the bright side it means we're getting close to the final unveiling and we can shift our focus without the anxiety of not knowing. Though, given my expectations have now sufficiently lowered, my hope is we get something like the August Direct where despite feeling like we knew everything--Sakurai knocks it out of the park and surprises us yet again.

EDIT:

https://imgur.com/qQgVdfZ
The Geno has been found.
Silvally still looks really fake here, but it hasn't been found yet.
(I don't think this is a real leak btw)

lol wut. Did anybody think that was real? Man, fake leaks have seriously been worse this time around, compared to Smash 4.

 

[NineS]

https://imgur.com/qQgVdfZ
The Geno has been found.
Silvally still looks really fake here, but it hasn't been found yet.
(I don't think this is a real leak btw)

... There is a lot wrong with that Geno, and while the Silvally seems mostly fine, it strikes me as two-dimensional for some reason.
It's safe to say these two are fake for many reasons, but the one that stands out, Geno especially, is that it seems like whoever did this might not have too much experience in rendering/modelling/etc.

There's just so much wrong with the Geno image.

 

[Untouch]

https://www.deviantart.com/claypita/art/Geno-Sculpture-Collage-266213174
Here's the geno source by the way.

 

[NineS]

https://www.deviantart.com/claypita/art/Geno-Sculpture-Collage-266213174
Here's the geno source by the way.

No wonder Geno didn't look right at all.
It's not a model.

It's a sculpture.
I actually thought it was going to be some sort of plastic figure instead.

Looks like whoever tried to make a leak out of these just tried working some photoshop magic. I'm guessing Silvally's comes from a 2D image photoshopped to look more 3D?

 

[CosmicQuark]

https://www.deviantart.com/claypita/art/Geno-Sculpture-Collage-266213174
Here's the geno source by the way.

Who woulda thunk a clay sculpture would look better than a leaked Smash image (the leaker really tried their best at making the image look more ****ty).

 

[NineS]

Who woulda thunk a clay sculpture would look better than a leaked Smash image (the leaker really tried their best at making the image look more ****ty).

Funnily enough, the Clay Sculpture before the leaker photoshopped it actually looks pretty good and true to Geno.

... Unlike the end result, ironically.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Since we still don't know what Robin's Final Smash is, I've been giving it some thought. I think it will still be Pair Up, but instead of Chrom it will either be Tharja, Cordelia, Frederick, or Morgan.

Although they would make the most canonical sense, Tharja and Morgan seem less likely though, considering their moves would be mostly too similar to Robin's moves. Personally, Cordelia would be my choice.

 

[NineS]

Since we still don't know what Robin's Final Smash is, I've been giving it some thought. I think it will still be Pair Up, but instead of Chrom it will either be Tharja, Cordelia, Frederick, or Morgan.

Although they would make the most canonical sense, Tharja and Morgan seem less likely though, considering their moves would be mostly too similar to Robin's moves. Personally, Cordelia would be my choice.

That's definitely the most likely option aside from it being another critical hit, but I'd love for Grima to be involved in some way for Robin's final smash.