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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Is there any reason to trust this Imran? Dude seems like a regular person making a guess to me.

Goes to show how desperate we are for something if we're latching on to this.
who is this "we"

I bet it's the vergeben collective you're talking about huh

I know you're part of it
 
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I imagine it would go akin to this:
"WHAT? WHO is this guy? ANOTHER anime character? I'd actually take that one chick that is a sword with boobs than this, GET HIM OUT!"
"Uggghhh! Smash Doesn't need anymore anime characters... Now Sakurai, please add this anime character."
 
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Is there any reason to trust this Imran? Dude seems like a regular person making a guess to me.

Goes to show how desperate we are for something if we're latching on to this.
Hey now, it got me to meme classic Spiderman out of this; that alone gave me faith. :nifty:
 

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Is there any reason to trust this Imran? Dude seems like a regular person making a guess to me.

Goes to show how desperate we are for something if we're latching on to this.
He's had inside info in the past (hinted at Ridley along with a few other ResetEra guys) and has had some interesting comments about Ultimate in the past ("we should take Sakurai's comment about fewer newcomers more seriously", and posed the question if Sakurai even "wanted Geno" at all.)

Ultimately the comment about Vergeben is pretty pointless IMO, won't mean much in the long run even if he is right.

As to him knowing about Ridley, apparently all the ResetEra big names did (remember Jon also made some similar comments about Ridley) so I dunno if he's hugely in the know. Seems like nothing to really concern anyone over tbh.
 
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He's had inside info in the past (hinted at Ridley along with a few other ResetEra guys) and has had some interesting comments about Ultimate in the past ("we should take Sakurai's comment about fewer newcomers more seriously", and posed the question if Sakurai even "wanted Geno" at all.)

Ultimately the comment about Vergeben is pretty pointless IMO, won't mean much in the long run even if he is right.

As to him knowing about Ridley, apparently all the ResetEra big names did (remember Jon also made some similar comments about Ridley) so I dunno if he's hugely in the know.
Credible, and said "if Sakurai even "wanted Geno" at all."

So, just when I thought my night couldn't get worse, it didn't, god damn it I just want this puppet to come home
 

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Crash Bandicoot is a major character in TWEWY.

... I don't know, I just felt like I had to make the title extra clickbaity.
Wow, you're good at that... lol
The only anime characters we need are Team Rocket, Meowth, their 'mons, Ash-Greninja, and Lucario.
The only anime character we need is Cory Baxter
Please, I'm sorry...
 
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Hello I am Vergeben and I have some freshly baked leaks for y'all:

Mario will have an unlockable 7 Grand Dad skin, and Fred Flintstone will be our first cartoon character. We're also getting Wurmple, Waluigi, Tingle, Spider-Man, and Phil Swift.

Sakurai's Cat will be a boss; he's been a bad kitty and needs a spankin'.
Not a stretch. Grand Dad was already playable in Super Mario Odyssey -
 

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Imran questioning Sakurai wanting Geno is what get's me.

As if he'd know Sakurai or what he's thinking; plus, Sakurai has expressed interest in Geno, how he get's a lot of requests, and even went and got a mii costume for him, complete with a nice-looking version of his likeness and out-right slapped his name on a splash screen.

And I doubt he'd know what characters aren't in; play-testers don't get everything, I assume? SE seems very strict on leaks, Nintendo would be too, it seems like he'd have to hear word from a dev.
 
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Credible, and said "if Sakurai even "wanted Geno" at all."

So, just when I thought my night couldn't get worse, it didn't, god damn it I just want this puppet to come home
Eh, I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. For Smash as far as I know Ridley is all he's hinted at, and apparently that was common knowledge amongst the ResetEra mods. The Geno thing could just be his own personal musings/speculation, as it seems he doesn't really have any other info.
 

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Is there any reason to trust this Imran? Dude seems like a regular person making a guess to me.

Goes to show how desperate we are for something if we're latching on to this.
He's had inside info in the past (hinted at Ridley along with a few other ResetEra guys) and has had some interesting comments about Ultimate in the past ("we should take Sakurai's comment about fewer newcomers more seriously", and posed the question if Sakurai even "wanted Geno" at all.)

Ultimately the comment about Vergeben is pretty pointless IMO, won't mean much in the long run even if he is right.

As to him knowing about Ridley, apparently all the ResetEra big names did (remember Jon also made some similar comments about Ridley) so I dunno if he's hugely in the know. Seems like nothing to really concern anyone over tbh.
And to add to that he's the senior editor of GameInformer, so he's not just some dude. Still, I don't think it changes much, since Verge's Smash leaks have been pretty consistent, but it's something interesting to note if true.
 

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Could be possible Sakurai changed his mind about Geno. Wouldn't be the first that he's done that
 

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So what's up with this Imran guy? Is he saying anything that should be taken seriously?
 

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I know you're reading this. Vote 2B.
Hmm, what is the first character he wanted to be in but couldn't??
For melee, these are characters he considered:
  • Takamaru
  • Mach Rider
  • Ayumi Tachibana
  • Banjo and Kazooie
  • James Bond
  • Balloon Fighter
  • Urban Champion
  • Bubbles
  • Excitebike
For Brawl
  • Villager
  • Nintendog
  • Blastoise (Pokemon Trainer)
  • Ridley
  • Pac-Man
  • Mii Fighters
  • Geno (Super Mario RPG)
And SSB4
  • Takamaru
  • Heihachi
  • Geno
Some of these might be wrong. I'm not entirely sure.
This is just looking at the ones considered, but never had content in the game to our knowledge, so technically aren't scrapped.
 
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Could be possible Sakurai changed his mind about Geno. Wouldn't be the first that he's done that
I don't think it means much--could just be his opinion. I also didn't trust his "hints" in August, and he only recently came around to "correcting" that he wasn't referring to a Bandai Namco character in this tweet--which is bizarre. His notoriety should be taken seriously, but not everything he says may be correct/meaningful.

So what's up with this Imran guy? Is he saying anything that should be taken seriously?
Not really. Even if what he says about Verge is true, it doesn't mean much for Smash (it would explain why he's inconsistent in other areas).
 

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who is this "we"

I bet it's the vergeben collective you're talking about huh

I know you're part of it
Caught me red handed. My entire purpose all along has been to make fun of fake leaks and promote Vergeben's leaks as truth.

I'm Vergeben, You're Vergeben, He/She Vergeben, Vergebenology, the study of Vergeben.
 
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Hmm, what is the first character he wanted to be in but couldn't??
If you are talking about just considered characters, too many to mention...

But If you are talking about planned characters, well:
Bowser (Smash 64)
Dedede (Smash 64)
Mewtwo (Smash 64)
Marth (Smash 64)
Lucas (Melee)
Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik (Brawl)
Something called Pra Mai, possibly Plusle and Minun (Brawl)
Dixie Kong (Brawl)
Dr. Mario (Brawl)
Mewtwo (Brawl)
Roy (Brawl)
Alph (Smash 4)
Ice Climbers (Smash 4)
Rhythm Heaven Rep (Smash 4)
 
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I don't think it means much--could just be his opinion. I also didn't trust his "hints" in August, and he only recently came around to "correcting" that he wasn't referring to a Bandai Namco character in this tweet--which is bizarre. His notoriety should be taken seriously, but not everything he says may be correct/meaningful.



Not really. Even if what he says about Verge is true, it doesn't mean much for Smash (it would explain why he's inconsistent in other areas).
What's he saying about Vergeben?
 

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Caught me red handed. My entire purpose all along has been to make fun of fake leaks and promote Vergeben's leaks as truth.

I'm Vergeben, You're Vergeben, He/She Vergeben, Vergebenology, the study of Vergeben.
You forgot one thing...

Vergeben is love, Vergeben is life.
 
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For melee, these are characters he considered:
  • Takamaru
  • Mach Rider
  • Ayumi Tachibana
  • Banjo and Kazooie
  • James Bond
  • Balloon Fighter
  • Urban Champion
  • Bubbles
  • Excitebike
For Brawl
  • Villager
  • Nintendog
  • Blastoise (Pokemon Trainer)
  • Ridley
  • Pac-Man
  • Mii Fighters
  • Geno (Super Mario RPG)
And SSB4
  • Takamaru
  • Heihachi
  • Geno
Some of these might be wrong. I'm not entirely sure.
This is just looking at the ones considered, but never had content in the game to our knowledge, so technically aren't scrapped.
The only one that's worth of loss is James Bond. Y'all know you want to hear the Goldeneye Theme at a Grand Final now, and I do too.
Now I'm sad.

but for real Geno please make it in for god's sake
 

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It would be the first time he's changed his mind in a negative direction that we've known of though.
It's not necessarily a "negative direction," unless you mean he wanted him and now doesn't. If anything it means Geno was considered but didn't make it like all of the characters in NineS NineS post above.
What's he saying about Vergeben?
He's saying that Vergeben is a team of people instead of a single person.
 
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You're missing a few.

Melee:
Lucas
Snake
Sonic
Wario

Brawl:
Dixie Kong
Pulse & Minun
Tetra
Toon Zelda

Sm4sh:
Alph
Chrom
Rhythm Heaven character

You're also forgetting N64

N64:
Bowser
King Dedede
Marth
Mewtwo

I do wonder why Sakurai never planned King Dedede for Melee...
 
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What's he saying about Vergeben?
He said of Vergeben, "That's because 'he' is like six different people pulling rumors from eighteen different sources. " Later he elaborated, "I did some research into it when information that was previously only available in small circles got posted. Then I took note of when some other information that came to me from a source stopped coming from him as well. And then there were some things the account posted that were straight up wrong and I tracked down where they came from and who those people gave that information to."
 

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Geno wasn't considered for Smash4 right?

Didn't Sakurai went ONLY for Cloud as a desperation attempt after supposedly the failed Talk with Square During brawl for Geno?

He probably got the Mii costume as an afterthought
 

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You're missing a few.

Melee:
Lucas
Sonic
Wario

Brawl:
Dixie Kong
Pulse & Minun
Tetra
Toon Zelda

Sm4sh:
Alph
Chrom
Rhythm Heaven character

You're also forgetting N64

N64:
Bowser
King Dedede
Marth
Mewtwo

I do wonder why Sakurai never planned King Dedede for Melee...
Oh yes, Thank you, Completely forgot about Snake and Sonic (BTW Pretty sure Toon Shiek wasn't Tetra, Just Toon Sheik)
 
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Y'know, I seriouslly am wonder how a Smash game made for the GBA or DS would play like now that I thing about it. I'd imagine it be similar to playing 3DS Smash, just with a pixel graphic style.
 
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Geno wasn't considered for Smash4 right?

Didn't Sakurai went ONLY for Cloud as a desperation attempt after supposedly the failed Talk with Square During brawl for Geno?

He probably got the Mii costume as an afterthought
Sounds like he did this so he could add Geno when he could.

Not to mention, the mii costume was after the ballot.
 
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Wasn't Leif also considered for Melee?
I don't think it means much--could just be his opinion. I also didn't trust his "hints" in August, and he only recently came around to "correcting" that he wasn't referring to a Bandai Namco character in this tweet--which is bizarre. His notoriety should be taken seriously, but not everything he says may be correct/meaningful.



Not really. Even if what he says about Verge is true, it doesn't mean much for Smash (it would explain why he's inconsistent in other areas).
I don't really have any opinions on Irman one way or the other, but it is probably his opinion
 
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