Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Potato_]

New leak not showing off a character, but a trophy from the game: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434898047

Is that a ****ing Tails Doll? As a trophy?

Either the Smash team is acknowledging the whole story/meme behind that thing or this is fake. Weirdest thing to choose for a trophy I've seen.

I'm leaning towards fake, something about the model looks off.

 

[Idon]

The one thing I'd want from a Smash reboot are moveset revamps.

Sakurai has this extreme fear of not alienating the current fans of the character no matter how many people dislike the current incarnation, so having more varied movesets that are more true to the character are something I'd gladly sacrifice things for.

 

[Deleted member]

That's victim blaming though.

How? Did you not read my comparison with this and the Smash 4 Grand Finals situation? It's literally cause and effect.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Theorizing about cuts in the next smash game seems a bit too hasty, this one isnt even out yet.

also its like theorizing your own death, you know its inevitable but its not exactly sunshines and rainbows to think about..

 

[Idon]

Pikachu's been the mascot of the series since the very first game.

Isabelle's only been in one main game and 2-3 spinoffs. Isabelle's currently an icon of AC, yes, but I doubt they'd add her over the main character. Otherwise they would've added her in Smash 4 over Villager.

That's not entirely true.
4 only came out 2 years after New Leaf which was probably past the point Isabelle could realistically be considered for a character.

 

[Radical Bones]

For those who are too lazy to see the image or don't know how to:

I think it's fake. It looks less like a render or 3D model and more like really well done fanart.

At least Google Tails Doll first before posting a fake leak:

https://www.deviantart.com/nibroc-rock/art/Legacy-Tails-Doll-Render-624965300

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Since that rather rude Vergeben comment got brought up, I have a question for people here.

Would you say that vergeben leaking content has made this Smash cycle better or worse?

I know for me sometimes I feel ok about knowing and not getting overhyped and then disappointed. But other times I can't help but think about how much excitement dies down and how some surprises just won't exist anymore.
Like, I remember how huge a deal it was when Mewtwo was expect, and instead it was Greninja. That was such a golden moment in the Smash 4 hype train, especially since we eventually still got Mewtwo. Now Incineroar doesn't quite get that because Vergeben decided to procedurally shoot down Decidueye, Lycanroc and Mimikyu and then pulled the trigger on Incineroar happening. Now his trailer is going to be just a "oh, it's incineroar" situation.

Any leaks at all make the cycle worse. No exceptions.

 

[Arcanir]

When it comes to the idea of a reboot, my thought process is the same as Sakurai: Lets not worry about it.

It is true that the roster is growing, and that may lead to greater diminishing returns that may have to be addressed, but that's not what's in the cards right now. Right now we have a game that's working to put in everything it can from the past rosters as well as some beloved new characters that have been wanted/added along the way, and that's incredible. Even Sakurai himself said it's a miracle that this game managed to exist and I think for now we should appreciate that. We'll cross that bridge when we get there, lets put aside those worries for when the last DLC is out and the next console is on the horizon.

So if each series got a boss in Spirits mode, who do you want to/think we'll see?

Here are a few of my predictions:
Mario: King Boo
Legend of Zelda: Ganon or Zant
Yoshi: Kamek
Metroid: Kraid
Kirby: Marx or 02
Fire Emblem: Black Knight
Star Fox: Andross
Kid Icarus: Hades
Mother: Porky or Giygas
Punch Out: King Hippo
Pikmin: Emperor Bulbax
Sonic: Eggman
Metal Gear: Rex or Ray
Mega Man: Dr. Wily
Street Fighter: M. Bison

Zelda: Gohma
DK: Bashmaster
Pokémon: (Mega) Rayquaza
Kirby: Nightmare
Metroid: Queen Metroid
Earthbound: Mother 3 Porky
Fire Emblem: Grima or Medeus
Kid Icarus: Hades
Sonic: Death Egg Robot

 

[Zinith]

Don't kill me for this but there's really none I really want from the Yoshi series. *Runs*

So you don't want Naval Piranha, or Raphael?

What about Tap-Tap, who could be more of a "stage-related" boss who could only be beaten by pushing him into the blast zone?

 

[ZephyrZ]

Anyway, unrelated to the topic at hand, who else here is really hoping that Mii Fighters being usable online will finally mean that people will play them?

I always see it get asked, "why would you play a character you have no attachment to", but that's silly since you can base miis off of characters you're attached to. Sure they aren't always perfect, but I've got a pretty decent Grunkle Stan mii that I can't wait to use alongside to recreate this iconic scene.

And aside from that Mii Gunner and Mii Brawler I just plain fun to play as. Too bad Swordsman is so generic though. Ike does simple swordsman better.

 

[Deleted member]

It’s because that if there is a new Smash game, there’ll be cuts, and that people seem to legitimately think a reboot is the only logical direction for the series to go. Nobody WANTS that to happen, but they think it will.
You of all people should know this, seeing as how much you talk about the box theory. It’s the same thing as that, simply a way to temper people’s expectations. Just that this is doing that way, way ahead of time.

Talking about a Smash reboot before Ultimate is even out is just unnecessarily pessimistic. It doesn't bring anything to the discussion except "who would be cut" which is a boring, and inherently negative topic that always ends in arguments of "deserving" or whatever.

Also, no, this is in no way related to the box theory because there are no expectations to be lowered in this scenario. Box is realistic, smash reboot is pessimistic. Stop comparing the two and acting like I should see them as one and the same.

 

[Robertman2]

I think he talked about how doesn’t visit GameFAQs anymore because they keep throwing stuff at him recently.

But I think the thing that got people angry was when he said that the Smash community is a denial driven community and that people who do think that Incineroar is in are in denial.

I mean A) It’s GameFAQs lol. And B) It came off to some people thinking that he was angry for people not believing in him.

That’s basically the gist of it. That’s all Vergeben said recently.

It was people who think Incin isn't gonna be in the game

 

[LetterO]

That's not entirely true.
4 only came out 2 years after New Leaf which was probably past the point Isabelle could realistically be considered for a character.

New Leaf came out a few months after Awakening. Isabelle could definitely have been considered just like Chrom was.

 

[Opossum]

Pikachu's been the mascot of the series since the very first game.

Isabelle's only been in one main game and 2-3 spinoffs. Isabelle's currently an icon of AC, yes, but I doubt they'd add her over the main character. Otherwise they would've added her in Smash 4 over Villager.

She literally didn't exist when 4's roster was chosen.

How? Did you not read my comparison with this and the Smash 4 Grand Finals situation? It's literally cause and effect.

My point is that it sounds more like you're justifying peoples' reactions, which I doubt was your intention. My point is that nobody should live in, well, not fear, but anticipation of people acting like a bunch of manchildren because he leaked something they didn't like, while making up reasons for why he isn't credible. It's on GameFaqs to act more like functional adults than it is on Vergeben to change his actions to suit their whims, basically.

 

[Deleted member]

So you don't want Naval Piranha, or Raphael?

What about Tap-Tap, who could be more of a "stage-related" boss who could only be beaten by pushing him into the blast zone?

Poochie would be kinda cool. Yoshi really does need more memorable characters lmao

 

[DerpingPikachu]

Well the post was indeed Greninja, though I still think the leak is fake af. 8 characters (including echoes) left? Not counting DLC? Yeah no. I kinda wish it was real but guessing Greninja was the most obvious guess in the world for anyone who did even a scintilla of homework.

I didn’t see the leak can you send a link?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So you don't want Naval Piranha, or Raphael?

What about Tap-Tap, who could be more of a "stage-related" boss who could only be beaten by pushing him into the blast zone?

Those are some pretty good ones I must say. I only recently gotten back into Nintendo my knowledge about the Yoshi series kind of diminished. I'll have to catch up on that.

In that case I'd go for Raphael he's probably one of the more recognizable Yoshi bosses.

 

[SonicMario]

For those who are too lazy to see the image or don't know how to:

I think it's fake. It looks less like a render or 3D model and more like really well done fanart.

If it was real, I'd kind of hope it's used as a tease in the direct like the pseudo Palutena trophy in Smash 4 that hinted at Palutena being in later but for Tails in this case lol

 

[NineS]

Since that rather rude Vergeben comment got brought up, I have a question for people here.

Would you say that vergeben leaking content has made this Smash cycle better or worse?

I know for me sometimes I feel ok about knowing and not getting overhyped and then disappointed. But other times I can't help but think about how much excitement dies down and how some surprises just won't exist anymore.
Like, I remember how huge a deal it was when Mewtwo was expect, and instead it was Greninja. That was such a golden moment in the Smash 4 hype train, especially since we eventually still got Mewtwo. Now Incineroar doesn't quite get that because Vergeben decided to procedurally shoot down Decidueye, Lycanroc and Mimikyu and then pulled the trigger on Incineroar happening. Now his trailer is going to be just a "oh, it's incineroar" situation.

I think Vergeben has helped this smash cycle, for those who don't mind leaks. He himself has helped shoot down leaks, and can help us set up realistic expectations.
However, I know people that despise leaks simply because they don't like spoilers. That isn't necessarily the leakers faults though, and more of the people who spread the leaks, real or false.
Leaks can still cause hype or catch you off guard even if you know they are real. For example, hearing Vergeben confirming that your most wanted character will be confirmed for smash is hype inducing. It can kill hype as well, but in the end it wouldn't matter since it would not change the outcome considering the leak would be real.

As for the Mewtwo thing... People were split about that, weren't they? The only time I can really remember almost everyone thinking Mewtwo was going to be revealed for Smash was in Greninja's own trailer, only to be faked-out in said trailer and shown to be Greninja in the end.

 

[Glaciacott]

That's victim blaming though.

Uh, I mean, I understand the sentiment of victim blaming is that people being ****ty don't get an excuse from being ****ty because of the victim. It only works for some contexts though.

In this case we're talking about a leaker. The reason gaming companies control the flow of information and the pacing of reveal is to mitigate for this sort of stuff and keep spirits as high as possible. If Vergeben decides to be that person that goes in and tells people out of turn, then yes, he should expect this.
This isn't a service anyone asked him to do either, nor is it something anyone is forcing on him. He is consciously deciding to be this person, and it's not a systemic problem that fans have different perceptions, desires and defense mechanisms... it's an outright reality and we cannot blame the fans for being disappointed and wanting to NOT believe a random guy on the internet.

It's like if the government hides that the world ends tomorrow, and some person decides to leak ahead of time that the world will end and mass chaos ensues. If that person gets torn apart by rage and anger from people, that's on the person, and saying "victim-blaming" doesn't excuse the fact they should have expected this.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Poochie would be kinda cool. Yoshi really does need more memorable characters lmao

Poochie a boss? Last I checked isn't he an ally. He'd make more sense as an assist.

 

[Dcas]

Since that rather rude Vergeben comment got brought up, I have a question for people here.

Would you say that vergeben leaking content has made this Smash cycle better or worse?

I know for me sometimes I feel ok about knowing and not getting overhyped and then disappointed. But other times I can't help but think about how much excitement dies down and how some surprises just won't exist anymore.
Like, I remember how huge a deal it was when Mewtwo was expect, and instead it was Greninja. That was such a golden moment in the Smash 4 hype train, especially since we eventually still got Mewtwo. Now Incineroar doesn't quite get that because Vergeben decided to procedurally shoot down Decidueye, Lycanroc and Mimikyu and then pulled the trigger on Incineroar happening. Now his trailer is going to be just a "oh, it's incineroar" situation.

Personally i love this approach, but im well aware is my personal opinion. Im not a fan of hyper huge super secrets, i get more hyped just waiting for what i want than for something unnanouced, i like expecting realistic stuff.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Isabelle's only been in one main game vs Villager being the character you play as

Also Greninja was obvious due to today being the anniversary of X and Y.

Does Villager have as much character and adorableness as Isabelle...is he a dog...does he actually love life...the answer is no to all of these (well that and she’s slowly becoming the face of Animal Crossing)

 

[Schnee117]

No-one should be harassing Verge at all. There's no excuse for it and it's not his fault that the community is garbage.
Verge shouldn't have reacted the way he did though. He just outed himself as an ablist piece of ****. Still doesn't mean he should be harassed either way.

 

[Deleted member]

Why not just continuously update Ultimate after it come out? Every year, there are new characters, stages, and whatnot to download to add more content to Ultimate until it's time for the next Smash game?

 

[Robertman2]

Only complaint I have about Verge is that the tism comment was p ****ty, and I wanna know who the SE character is

 

[NineS]

At least Google Tails Doll first before posting a fake leak:

https://www.deviantart.com/nibroc-rock/art/Legacy-Tails-Doll-Render-624965300

I wasn't necessarily the one posting it. That was Yellow.

On another note, now I feel bad for saying it looked more like good fanart than a render.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Why not just continuously update Ultimate after it come out? Every year, there are new characters, stages, and whatnot to download to add more content to Ultimate until it's time for the next Smash game?

That's the approach they should take. Much better then rebooting the series.

 

[Zinith]

Those are some pretty good ones I must say. I only recently gotten back into Nintendo my knowledge about the Yoshi series kind of diminished. I'll have to catch up on that.

In that case I'd go for Raphael he's probably one of the more recognizable Yoshi bosses.

This is why I am here...

 

[amazonevan19]

I didn’t see the leak can you send a link?

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434867625

 

[Opossum]

Uh, I mean, I understand the sentiment of victim blaming is that people being ****ty don't get an excuse from being ****ty because of the victim. It only works for some contexts though.

In this case we're talking about a leaker. The reason gaming companies control the flow of information and the pacing of reveal is to mitigate for this sort of stuff and keep spirits as high as possible. If Vergeben decides to be that person that goes in and tells people out of turn, then yes, he should expect this.
This isn't a service anyone asked him to do either, nor is it something anyone is forcing on him. He is consciously deciding to be this person, and it's not a systemic problem that fans have different perceptions, desires and defense mechanisms... it's an outright reality and we cannot blame the fans for being disappointed and wanting to NOT believe a random guy on the internet.

It's like if the government hides that the world ends tomorrow, and some person decides to leak ahead of time that the world will end and mass chaos ensues. If that person gets torn apart by rage and anger from people, that's on the person, and saying "victim-blaming" doesn't excuse the fact they should have expected this.

The guy's been getting literal death threats and the worst insults imaginable thrown at him. It's absolutely victim blaming to think he deserves it.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Poochie would be kinda cool. Yoshi really does need more memorable characters lmao

The boss no one expected:

Does that look like the face of mercy?

 

[Dee Dude]

My ideal Smash reboot roster?











:ultrobin







I’m iffy if 3rd parties will return in a hypothetical reboot, and newcomers will be another story.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

This is why I am here...

Well I'll give you this. They probably don't call you the Yoshi expert for nothing.

 

[Shroob]

I think people need to remember: It's a goddamn video game.


The "It's HIS fault" is true, to an extent, of course, but again.... it's a video game.


No one deserves getting THIS MUCH **** thrown at them over a game.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Why not just continuously update Ultimate after it come out? Every year, there are new characters, stages, and whatnot to download to add more content to Ultimate until it's time for the next Smash game?

Make Smash Ultimate the Team Fortress 2 of Nintendo games.
Granted one could make the argument Splatoon 2 is that already, but still.

 

[NineS]

The boss no one expected:

Does that look like the face of mercy?

Anything partnered up with Yoshi or willing to devour it's offspring is immediately merciless.
It's the guard dog of Mario's underworld.

 

[Pazzo.]

Please don't degrade people who have actually been blamed for terrible things happening to them with a guy who leaked confidential information about a video game.

I'm sure he received hate, maybe justly and maybe unjustly, but don't bring the real victims down by trying to equate the same language.

 

[Schnee117]

Why not just continuously update Ultimate after it come out? Every year, there are new characters, stages, and whatnot to download to add more content to Ultimate until it's time for the next Smash game?

Yeah the Game as a Service approach would work well here, especially with the base game actually being substantial.

 

[Deleted member]

People coming here for and analyzing leaks but then demonizing leakers as evil is hypocrisy at its finest.