Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zinith]

Yus my pipedream roster is coming true!!!

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plus a load of other characters I couldn't fit.

I can't help but you had me in mind. Just a hunch...

 

[Noipoi]

Grima coming in and destroying the only decent "theory" out there. sigh



Xenoblade still has no song so it gave me a glimpse of hope in a verg + box theory world

There's still a chance for a Xenoblade character. Box theory isn't confirmed and verg doesn't claim to know all the characters. All this does is open the floodgates for characters, that's a good thing isn't it?

It gave people hope that Incineroar could be deconfirmed.

But they should know better that some music could stop my Boi.

He's unstoppable!

 

[Kuon]

WiiCube64 representation has been lacking, so that makes sense.

Sakurai won't let us down. Mario Jr will make it in, along with Luigi and Daisy's daughter: Jeff

 

[Luigi The President]

What interests me on the box theory is that I can't envision there being more than 3 uniques and 3 Echoes.
Makes me wonder what they'll do in that case.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

This might be my lack of Fire Emblem knowledge showing but... is the Id (Purpose) on the blog any different than the version that was in Smash 4? It honestly doesn't sound new to me. Again, I don't know my FE stuff at all. Don't @ me

 

[FirestormNeos]

Current Mood:

Anyway, here's a minigame: pick three newcomers you want in and try to fit all three into around a lyrical song that isn't from a video game.

Examples:

Geno+Skull Kid+Shadow = "Shooting Stars" Bag Raiders
Shantae+Waluigi+Chorus Kids = "Just Dance" David Bowie
Incineroar+Ken+Venom Snake = "Disco Inferno" The Trammps

 

[Potato_]

Music theory was anything but unpopular. And considering some people thought the Steven remix put doubt into Verg, that should say enough

Pre Steven I'd argue there were as many people for it as there were against it. It wasn't widely accepted, especially after they had to include the "no echoes" rule after Dark Samus.

Post Steven? I'd say the vast majority of people in this thread began at least doubting it, if not outright dumping it. Sure there were people saying that Verg is probably wrong and that music theory was still alive until a reveal, but those were definitely in the minority. Vergeben has his doubters still but most people tend to at least heed his words from what I've seen.

 

[Arcad5]

Back from a long work day, did I miss any news?

 

[Kuon]

What interests me on the box theory is that I can't envision there being more than 3 uniques and 3 Echoes.
Makes me wonder what they'll do in that case.

I don't believe in the box theory, personally. Actually, I don't believe in any of the theories

 

[CannonStreak]

Back from a long work day, did I miss any news?

Music theory being deconfirmed thanks to another Fire Emblem track.

 

[Luigi The President]

Back from a long work day, did I miss any news?

Fire Emblem music uploaded as the music of the day

 

[Deleted member]

This might be my lack of Fire Emblem knowledge showing but... is the Id (Purpose) on the blog any different than the version that was in Smash 4? It honestly doesn't sound new to me. Again, I don't know my FE stuff at all. Don't @ me

It's close to the original, but it is a new arrangement.

 

[Schnee117]

Oh, I do. I just find it interesting one would hope for less content for the sake of bragging rights. I personally don't get it, but hey, to each their own. I just wish box theory people were at least willing to entertain the arguments made against it, as there are plenty that have just as much validity as the arguments made for it.

Yeah you really don't get it.
No one's hoping for less content, some people just see the writing on the wall.

This might be my lack of Fire Emblem knowledge showing but... is the Id (Purpose) on the blog any different than the version that was in Smash 4? It honestly doesn't sound new to me. Again, I don't know my FE stuff at all. Don't @ me

Refer to this post from Opossum

The instrumentation, particularly all the woodwind flourishes, is completely different, the choir is notably different, it has a new triumphant intro flourish, and the percussion is markedly stronger.

That and when they inevitably don't put the second half of the song like the botched Smash 4 rip of the song, it'll be justified since it's a remix.

 

[Noipoi]

Back from a long work day, did I miss any news?

Did you ever.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, I do. I just find it interesting one would hope for less content for the sake of bragging rights. I personally don't get it, but hey, to each their own. I just wish box theory people were at least willing to entertain the arguments made against it, as there are plenty that have just as much validity as the arguments made for it.

Literally no one hopes it's right. Nothing would make me happier than to see it fall apart but all the counteraguments against it fail to explain why a placeholder has character placement that takes into consideration unrevealed newcomers.
Hope is literally useless if all it does is cause false expectations.

 

[Zinith]

Back from a long work day, did I miss any news?

Fire Emblem music update. Music Theory dead. London's burning

 

[Shroob]

I find it humorous how "Music theory helps!"


Yeah, cutting entire franchises with highly requested newcomers out of the running just because they put a song up on the website sure doesn't stifle speculation arguably as much as box theory.


I'll say it.


Music theory stifles speculation more so than Box theory.


Because at least with box theory, even if Ken is a lock, that last newcomer can be anyone.



The longer Music theory was allowed to live, the more and more franchises that would have been cut out of speculation because "Uhhh, the music."

 

[lightdrago]

Back from a long work day, did I miss any news?

Music Theory had its swan song Fire Emblem Style.

 

[Dcas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=206XFPy8XuM

Well music of the day is FE? Alright then guys, lets calm down and assume october will be dry AF.

 

[Deleted member]

What interests me on the box theory is that I can't envision there being more than 3 uniques and 3 Echoes.
Makes me wonder what they'll do in that case.

I personally don't think there will be more than that (most I'm willing to speculate on is 2 more uniques and 2 or 3 Echos on the high end), but editing the box to account for new information being made public is not the Herculean feat it is made out to be, IMO.

If a design needs to be changed, it'll be changed. Unless someone personally knows the artist(s) who designed the box and get confirmation from them that it is impossible, then I will entertain that being one of many possibilities.

 

[AugustusB]

Well in light of this news...I'll just leave this here.

Spoiler: Everybody Rejoice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-NiH1kH3-E

 

[Luigi The President]

I find it humorous how "Music theory helps!"


Yeah, cutting entire franchises with highly requested newcomers out of the running just because they put a song up on the website sure doesn't stifle speculation arguably as much as box theory.


I'll say it.


Music theory stifles speculation more so than Box theory.


Because at least with box theory, even if Ken is a lock, that last newcomer can be anyone.



The longer Music theory was allowed to live, the more and more franchises that would have been cut out of speculation because "Uhhh, the music."

If Ken is a lock than that last newcomer is Incineroar and there's no real reason to doubt that.

"The box" stifles, "the music" stifles, just about every theory here stifles. Perhaps that's for the better. Up to the viewer.

 

[Chrono.]

Yus my pipedream roster is coming true!!!

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plus a load of other characters I couldn't fit.

I realize this is a meme roster... But even among the non video game characters..

I come back to questioning Wood Man the most.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Back from a long work day, did I miss any news?

Music Theory got debunked by another Fire Emblem track
Incineroar seems way more likely now

 

[SimonferSmash]

This is just me, but not really a fan of this since I liked each universe getting separate treatment as far as new arrangements go...

Not to mention there's still like 8-10 character based franchise we still don't know about in regards to a remix.

 

[92MilesPrower]

And here I am still waiting for a Sonic track. Is a Metal Sonic battle remix too much to ask for?!

 

[SAMation]

I feel like the box theory is just from the human need to make something look complete. Smash 4's roster screen once looked like this, and to make more space for more characters they just resized the boxes. I feel like that's whats gonna happen here too.

 

[Idon]

If you wanna talk about stifling speculation, vergeben + box tag team combo have effectively KOed the competition.

 

[CannonStreak]

Fire Emblem music update. Music Theory dead. London's burning

Yeah, London's burning; all because Zinith decided to join Yoshi and not pay his taxes.

 

[Untouch]

Intern-kun pressed the "update the music page" button then went to bed.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I realize this is a meme roster... But even among the non video game characters..

I come back to questioning Wood Man the most.

I like Wood Man.

I may have only played Mega Man 2, and may like the memes and his music, but Wood Man is best robot master or whatever they're called.

 

[Pakky]

And here I am still waiting for a Sonic track. Is a Metal Sonic battle remix too much to ask for?!

Hmmm, a person of culture?

 

[Zinith]

Yeah, London's burning; all because Zinith decided to join Yoshi and not pay his taxes.

Jeez, how rich is my boi for that to happen?

 

[Shroob]

Intern-kun pressed the "update the music page" button then went to bed.

We'll get another post later tonight of a stage. We always get a music+stage on Wednesday blog.

 

[CannonStreak]

And here I am still waiting for a Sonic track. Is a Metal Sonic battle remix too much to ask for?!

If it's a remix of Never Let It Go from Sonic the Fighters, I'm in!

 

[Shroob]

If you wanna talk about stifling speculation, vergeben + box tag team combo have effectively KOed the competition.

I personally disagree to a point.

The only thing that Verg has more or less solidified in Speculation is "Ken, Incineroar and a 2nd SE rep."


Considering his track record with Echos and K.Rool, people are more than free to continue speculating on other characters, he doesn't know everything.

 

[Noipoi]

Jeez, how rich is my boi for that to happen?

Mario's got a zillion extra coins after all his adventures, so he helps some of his friends out financially. Yoshi included.
Where do you think he got that cookie factory?

 

[KingofKoopas]

Fire Emblem music update. Music Theory dead. London's burning

Stand
And Fight
The city is Burning...

God i love me some Sabaton

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah you really don't get it.
No one's hoping for less content, some people just see the writing on the wall.

Literally no one hopes it's right. Nothing would make me happier than to see it fall apart but all the counteraguments against it fail to explain why a placeholder has character placement that takes into consideration unrevealed newcomers.
Hope is literally useless if all it does is cause false expectations.

Please, point me to the factual evidence that inarguably proved that these things are fact and cannot be argued with.

I believe the box is one of many outcomes. However, like most theories without any actual evidence, they are supported by nothing other than personal belief. It could prove true...just like Music Theory could have. Wasn't the argument for Music Theory that "Of course the songs were designed that way", and, "There was an obvious pattern", and so on? We cannot say arguments against it cause false expectations when there is no evidence for either side right now.

I have no problem with someone believing the box, I just think it's a shame that some feel the need to shove it in people's faces. There is no current fact to support it, so I see no need to treat it as truth right now, only one of possible theories.

 

[Enchess]

Oh? So Music Theory is actually dead this time. I said it before and I'll say it again - I think it's sloppy of them to put repeats on there when there's literally no reason to. But this is finally the (first but) final strike against the Music Theory.

I'm definitely not expecting this to help speculation honestly. Music Theory was the only reason rosters without Incineroar were still alive and kicking. I'm expecting speculation to become even more uniform now.