Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh well...huh I thought this could happen.

With regards to the Monolithsoft project, I'll share some quotes from the Elma thread:

To further cement it being a Xenoblade game the source code of the website confirms it:

Aaaaand I'm pretty sure this effectively confirms that this project is Xenoblade-related! pic.twitter.com/Ol6dcMwFpa

— Brian (@Luxin_Xeno) October 4, 2018

Whatever it is, it definitely won't be XC3. Takahashi has said that he gets bored of whatever he last worked on.

And in a recent interview he said that the next project could be a game like X (Which would likely be X2) But he also said a third option isn't entirely out of the question. Whether that means another entry in the Xenoblade multiverse, or an entirely new game, is anybody's guess, but it is at least possible that X2 could be this new project, and I'm gonna stay optimistic for that.

There's also this.

So...I think it may very well be Xenoblade Chronicles X part 2.

and with this Elma is no longer base or bust...hopefully

 

[amazonevan19]

Oh well...huh I thought this could happen.

Port 'em all while they're at it pretty please??

This makes Sora more likely imo though I'm sure SE is fine with any potential rep from their franchises to signify the deepening Nintendo/SE relationship. Maybe Geno AND Sora could both make it?

 

[dezeray112]

How likely do you all think Ken is? Do you think he'll be a semiclone like Isabelle or an echo?
Also do you guys think the leak is real or not(that pic of him)

1. Ken is most likely as he is one of the iconic characters within the Street Fighter series.
2. I'd imagine that he would work more as a clone but he will possibly have a different Final Smash in contrast to Ryu's.
3. I'm leaning on it to be real.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I also was a huge advocate for Tingle, but his active role on Great Bay makes me think he's not all that likely.

At this point, he's Zelda's Waluigi in Smash, but arguably has it even worse, since at least Waluigi never got demoted into being a stage element. I wonder how his fans feel about that...

 

[Buzzwole]

How likely do you all think Ken is? Do you think he'll be a semiclone like Isabelle or an echo?
Also do you guys think the leak is real or not(that pic of him)

Even before that leak (which I don't even believe is real), I thought Ken was tied for most likely echo with Shadow.
Ken being a unique character like Isabelle would sort of go against his whole character. He sort of HAS to be an echo.
I think he's pretty much guaranteed along with Shadow. They're the two I'm most sure about.

 

[amazonevan19]

At this point, he's Zelda's Waluigi in Smash, but arguably has it even worse, since at least Waluigi never got demoted into being a stage element. I wonder how his fans feel about that...

At least Tingle got his own game...something Waluigi can't say

 

[TheCJBrine]

Mother? The franchise is basically dead at this point. Same with F-Zero. And I ****ing love F-Zero, I just don't see them adding a new rep when we haven't had a new game in so long.

It's less that it's dead and more that Itoi feels that he has completed it.

F-Zero, however, for whatever reason they have to figure out something new for it in order to revive it...? I haven't played any F-Zero except a small bit of the SNES one but

 

[Moon Monkey]

So a mid October Direct revealing all of (however many you believe are left) the remaining characters? Hmm... We'd know the full roster almost 2 months before release. I don't know. It's not unreasonable...

Again games typically goes gold around 4-5weeks out from release. If Smash is in fact dropping Dec 7th. A rough estimate of when the game will go gold is about early Nov. So having a blow out Direct a week out from completion doesn't sound too crazy to me.

 

[Buzzwole]

At least Tingle got his own game...something Waluigi can't say

Tingle has SEVERAL of his own games.

People usually never take Tingle seriously as a Smash candidate, but as far as Zelda characters go, he's a pretty important one.
He's one of the few recurring characters in the mainline series, has his own spinoff games, and has a ton of personality.

Smash needs more silly characters and I genuinely would love to see Tingle added. His Hyrule Warriors abilities show how crazy they could get with his Smash moveset.

 

[amazonevan19]

It's less that it's dead and more that Itoi feels that he has completed it.

F-Zero, however, for whatever reason they have to figure out something new for it in order to revive it...? I haven't played any F-Zero except a small bit of the SNES one but

I haven't played much F-Zero either except a smidgen of one Gamecube title, but from what I've read, it seems they didn't know what to do with the series, especially after Mario Kart became Nintendo's only real racing game. It didn't help that one Gamecube title in particular was released around the same time as Kirby Air Ride and Double Dash...

It'd be cool to have a new F-Zero game that focuses on Captain Falcon being a bounty hunter. That's in his job description and yet to my knowledge, you don't really hear or see much about that aspect of him at all.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It's less that it's dead and more that Itoi feels that he has completed it.

F-Zero, however, for whatever reason they have to figure out something new for it in order to revive it...? I haven't played any F-Zero except a small bit of the SNES one but

Nintendo is well aware of the demand for a new F-Zero. They tried contacting Criterion, the Burnout devs, in 2013 for a Wii U installment but nothing came of it.

Also, GX/AX is generally considered the pinnacle of the series.

PS. re: dead Dormant series - Golden Sun says hi. Although the trademark renewal may hint at something...

just be glad neither are in Custom Robo's shoes (RIP)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

At least Tingle got his own game...something Waluigi can't say

Two of them as a matter of fact. Granted, the other one is basically a Balloon Fight mod.

Nintendo is well aware of the demand for a new F-Zero. They tried contacting Criterion, the Burnout devs, in 2013 for a Wii U installment but nothing came of it.

Also, GX/AX is generally considered the pinnacle of the series.

PS. re: dead Dormant series - Golden Sun says hi. Although the trademark renewal may hint at something...

just be glad neither are in Custom Robo's shoes (RIP)

Also, Miyamoto can't come up with a gimmick to justify making a new entry. Seeing how he's influencing Paper Mario lately, it's wise of them to not let him do anything with F-Zero.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Two of them as a matter of fact. Granted, the other one is basically a Balloon Fight mod.



Also, Miyamoto can't come up with a gimmick to justify making a new entry. Seeing how he's influencing Paper Mario lately, it's wise of them to not let him do anything with F-Zero.

F-Zero doesn't even need a new gimmick, just the same gameplay as it's always had, plus online.

 

[AugustusB]

All this F-Zero talk got me thinking. What publisher could bring F-Zero back to life?

My answer would be Platinum. Think about it.
-They love throwing in different game styles in games.
-Imagine controlling Captain Falcon via Dante/Bayonetta style with unique driving mechanics mixed in.

MAKE IT HAPPEN PLEASE!

 

[TheCJBrine]

I really don't get why Miyamoto is against Mario having story like the earlier Mario RPGs and Super Mario Galaxy.

He doesn't seem to be this way with Pikmin thank goodness.

edit: I do remember reading that he sees the Mario characters as an acting troupe or something, but they could just be creating a movie series if that's the case...

 

[Deleted member]

Again games go gold around 4-5weeks out from release. If Smash is in fact dropping Dec 7th. A rough estimate of when the game will gold is about early Nov. So having a blow out Direct a week out from it going gold doesn't sound too crazy to me.

Honestly, the timing on the final Direct depends on a lot of things, and what happens next week. If things follow the trends they have previously, we should theoretically hear something by next week. If we do, that in my mind cements the idea that what we'll be getting is a standalone reveal for a single character, with a date at the end teasing us for the final info dump ala Smash Wii U's 50-fact Extravaganza.

However...assuming next week stays quiet, then I do believe the final Direct will be around Halloween, which would explain the occurrences on the website and Youtube playlist, as it could be preparation for that. Now, I think the next few weeks will be interesting, as depending on what happens, a certain theory will either get a boatload of credence, or may potentially get some damaging hoops to jump through. It really depends on how the next reveal goes, who it is, how many are shown, and most importantly, the timing of it all.

 

[Xgears]

Thanks for the response! I hope I didn't sound rude in my original post, I was legitimately curious about the reasoning.

Dante is something I could see happening if Smash was a general video game crossover. However, that is simply not the case, as every 3rd party character featured does have ties to Nintendo (yes, even Cloud).

Cloud barely has relation to Nintendo and is mostly seen as a PlayStation character along with Snake.

I think it would be a good chance Add Dante to hype up the New DMC game like they did with Snake and Cloud, it's a character that can bring new fans to Smash and comes from a critically acclaimed series that help redifine action games. Heck without DMC Bayonetta and many other games wouldn't exist, plus he's better than most people are suggesting for newcomers.

 

[Buzzwole]

All this F-Zero talk got me thinking. What publisher could bring F-Zero back to life?

My answer would be Platinum. Think about it.
-They love throwing in different game styles in games.
-Imagine controlling Captain Falcon via Dante/Bayonetta style with unique driving mechanics mixed in.

MAKE IT HAPPEN PLEASE!

This has been my thoughts about F-Zero for a while.
Because of Smash Bros, Captain Falcon has eclipsed the popularity of his own series... if that makes any sense.
People love Captain Falcon. The F-Zero games actually have never sold all that well historically, but because of Smash, Captain Falcon himself is an icon.

If they want to revitalize F-Zero, there needs to be way more focus on Captain Falcon as a character. He needs to be able to get out of the Blue Falcon and beat up thugs on the street. A Bayonetta styled game with traditional races and stuff like that would be amazing.

There's a TON of potential outside of racing for the F-Zero world. There are so many weird characters and locations. It could be something really special if Nintendo ever wanted to make that sort of game.

Honestly, a better fit than Bayonetta could even be Yakuza. I could totally see captain Falcon in a Yakuza type game.

I think the whole series needs to be reworked from the ground up. Not that the old games are bad, but because I think it could be something so much more.

 

[Deleted member]

Cloud barely has relation to Nintendo and is mostly seen as a PlayStation character along with Snake.

I think it would be a good chance Add Dante to hype up the New DMC game like they did with Snake and Cloud, it's a character that can bring new fans to Smash and comes from a critically acclaimed series that help redifine action games. Heck without DMC Bayonetta and many other games wouldn't exist, plus he's better than most people are suggesting for newcomers.

Snake has had multiple games on Nintendo hardware that were mainline games and not spin-offs, and Cloud is the face of a franchise that helped define a major genre that started on Nintendo's first major home console. That's plenty of Nintendo ties, not to mention Cloud has been on Nintendo hardware dozens of times in spin-offs and his own game is now coming to Switch.

Putting Dante in to promote the new DMC makes no sense, as it isn't coming to Nintendo's hardware. Why would you market a game that only your competition is receiving? That would be like if Sony added Super Mario Odyssey and BotW adds on the PS4 home menu.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I really don't get why Miyamoto is against Mario having story like the earlier Mario RPGs and Super Mario Galaxy.

He doesn't seem to be this way with Pikmin thank goodness.

edit: I do remember reading that he sees the Mario characters as an acting troupe or something, but they could just be creating a movie series if that's the case...

My hunch is that he's such a traditionalist in regards to Mario that he'd rather not see any innovation for it, story-wise. The New SMB series has proved how people get tired of the usual "save " formula quite quickly, so it's best that he doesn't have much say on a grander scale.

This has been my thoughts about F-Zero for a while.
Because of Smash Bros, Captain Falcon has eclipsed the popularity of his own series... if that makes any sense.
People love Captain Falcon. The F-Zero games actually have never sold all that well historically, but because of Smash, Captain Falcon himself is an icon.

If they want to revitalize F-Zero, there needs to be way more focus on Captain Falcon as a character. He needs to be able to get out of the Blue Falcon and beat up thugs on the street. A Bayonetta styled game with traditional races and stuff like that would be amazing.

There's a TON of potential outside of racing for the F-Zero world. There are so many weird characters and locations. It could be something really special if Nintendo ever wanted to make that sort of game.

I think the whole series needs to be reworked from the ground up. Not that the old games are bad, but because I think it could be something so much more.

I'd be all for Rules of Nature 2: Electric Boogaloo. We just need Miyamoto to stay far away from Platinum, seeing as he ended up ruining Star Fox Zero.

Also, Smash has done a curious thing by mixing up game and anime elements in regards to some F-Zero trophy descriptions in Smash, so they might very well do such a reboot.

 

[Pakky]

Tingle has SEVERAL of his own games.

People usually never take Tingle seriously as a Smash candidate, but as far as Zelda characters go, he's a pretty important one.
He's one of the few recurring characters in the mainline series, has his own spinoff games, and has a ton of personality.

Smash needs more silly characters and I genuinely would love to see Tingle added. His Hyrule Warriors abilities show how crazy they could get with his Smash moveset.

Gotta agree Tingle and Impa are pretty prevalent throughout.

Though I'm not really against popular one-offs either.

Skull Kid is great and I have a uncomfortable fondness for Midna.

Man, exploring a developed twilight realm would be great.

 

[Xgears]

Snake has had multiple games on Nintendo hardware that were mainline games and not spin-offs, and Cloud is the face of a franchise that helped define a major genre that started on Nintendo's first major home console. That's plenty of Nintendo ties, not to mention Cloud has been on Nintendo hardware dozens of times in spin-offs and his own game is now coming to Switch.

Putting Dante in to promote the new DMC makes no sense, as it isn't coming to Nintendo's hardware. Why would you market a game that only your competition is receiving? That would be like if Sony added Super Mario Odyssey and BotW adds on the PS4 home menu.

That's a terrible comparison with Sony.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Honestly, the timing on the final Direct depends on a lot of things, and what happens next week. If things follow the trends they have previously, we should theoretically hear something by next week. If we do, that in my mind cements the idea that what we'll be getting is a standalone reveal for a single character, with a date at the end teasing us for the final info dump ala Smash Wii U's 50-fact Extravaganza.

However...assuming next week stays quiet, then I do believe the final Direct will be around Halloween, which would explain the occurrences on the website and Youtube playlist, as it could be preparation for that. Now, I think the next few weeks will be interesting, as depending on what happens, a certain theory will either get a boatload of credence, or may potentially get some damaging hoops to jump through. It really depends on how the next reveal goes, who it is, how many are shown, and most importantly, the timing of it all.

I Agree that next week will determine a lot but I'm not sure if we'll get another direct down the line for smash if we get one now.

You can imagine during the month of November review copies, ESRB ratings, Store stock copies will all be sent out. Going off of all the cautionary measures Sakurai seems to be taking to prevent leaks, I dont think they wait too long before people in the public knows.

But yes I do agree around Halloween sounds ideal to me. Almost wish they saved the Belmonts to be revealed for then too lol

 

[Deleted member]

That's a terrible comparison with Sony.

How so? Your point was that Dante would be an add for the new DMC, which is not currently coming to Nintendo hardware. Nintendo would be marketing a game not coming to their system, meaning their audience would not be able to play it. Why would you market something your console can't offer to it's players?

 

[Pakky]

All this F-Zero talk got me thinking. What publisher could bring F-Zero back to life?

My answer would be Platinum. Think about it.
-They love throwing in different game styles in games.
-Imagine controlling Captain Falcon via Dante/Bayonetta style with unique driving mechanics mixed in.

MAKE IT HAPPEN PLEASE!

I've had this thought for a while, I would love a Bayo/GTA-like F-Zero.


The super sentai fun drooping from needs to be addressed in a fast pace game.

I don't even think the racing needs to leave but from what I've seen in the anime aren't the races just a huge spectator sport? I mean why not explore the dark underbelly of that?

 

[amazonevan19]

That's a terrible comparison with Sony.

It's more akin to "if sony put Mario in Playstation All-Stars 2: Electric Boogaloo" but the underlying argument still holds, imo. Unless DMC is coming to Switch in any meaningful way, Sakurai has no reason to put him in despite all Dante has done for action games.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Sakurai sees being on a Nintendo platform as a "common courtesy," so he may not see it as a requirement, but as something that's still important. Cloud has been on Nintendo systems, even if his own game wasn't (but it's going to be next year). He did say he would have probably had misgivings if he never appeared on a Nintendo system, though. He's never mentioned Nintendo history, however, just gaming history.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Gotta agree Tingle and Impa are pretty prevalent throughout.

Though I'm not really against popular one-offs either.

Skull Kid is great and I have a uncomfortable fondness for Midna.

Man exploring the a developed twilight realm would be great.

Real talk, I’d absolutely love a TP sequel. Maybe one that sees a future incarnation of Link reuniting with Midna in the Twilight Realm. Bring Zant back as a proper lead villain.

Maybe set the game not in Hyrule, like LA or MM

 

[Xgears]

How so? Your point was that Dante would be an add for the new DMC, which is not currently coming to Nintendo hardware. Nintendo would be marketing a game not coming to their system, meaning their audience would not be able to play it. Why would you market something your console can't offer to it's players?

Because they can just port over the older games. I don't se the FFVII remake coming to Switch or any new MGS game in the Switch.

 

[Xgears]

It's more akin to "if sony put Mario in Playstation All-Stars 2: Electric Boogaloo" but the underlying argument still holds, imo. Unless DMC is coming to Switch in any meaningful way, Sakurai has no reason to put him in despite all Dante has done for action games.

Excepy Sony isn't a 3rd party company that already has several IPs in smash.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I've had this thought for a while, I would love a Bayo/GTA-like F-Zero.


The super sentai fun drooping from needs to be addressed in a fast pace game.

I don't even think the racing needs to leave but from what I've seen in the anime aren't the races just a huge spectator sport? I mean why not explore the dark underbelly of that?

I figure that people wouldn't be too keen on it in Japan, since such a big departure from what the series usually does would be a lot to take in.

The best thing to do is have it marketed as a spin-off sort of thing, like "F-Zero Chronicles: Captain Falcon".

 

[Rie Sonomura]

X Xgears please don't double post, use the edit or multi quote functions instead.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Man, I cant wait for directional air dodges to come back in Ultimate. Last night I was playing Smash 4 and I kept trying to do them over and over, and it cost me a lot, especially since my brother likes to main Ike, get me in the air and repeatedly use his Up B and regular B to rack up damage on my way down over and over again inb4 "git gud"

 

[Pakky]

Real talk, I’d absolutely love a TP sequel. Maybe one that sees a future incarnation of Link reuniting with Midna in the Twilight Realm. Bring Zant back as a proper lead villain.

Maybe set the game not in Hyrule, like LA or MM

Yes, I agree because taking a keen eye to TP, Zant as a weird bumbling chicken man clashes super hard wit his first appearance and the tone of the game.

I guess being quirky isn't bad because it can be intimating (ie look at many other evil 'clown' characters in media) but what we got is odd.

 

[Deleted member]

Because they can just port over the older games. I don't se the FFVII remake coming to Switch or any new MGS game in the Switch.

Here's the thing though, they're not doing that right now. Also, not every 3rd party is added to Smash as an add. In fact, I don't believe any of them are. Them getting new games doesn't matter, what matters is they have been on Nintendo hardware before in some major capacity, or at the very least are a part of a franchise that has ties to Nintendo and can be recognizable by a Nintendo audience.

DMC has none of those things. He appeared in Project X zone along with hundreds of other characters, and his games as a whole are a part of a niche genre. Bayo gets in thanks to her Nintendo ties. I 100% guarantee if Bayo 2 wasn't on the Wii U, she wouldn't be anywhere near Smash Bros. right now.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Dante is owned by a 3rd party company.

Comparing him to Master Chief and Kratos is absurd.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Oh well...huh I thought this could happen.

While I'd love Sora to be in base, Sora based off of his KH3 incarnation would be absolutely crazy, especially if they incorporate Keyblade Transformations and swapping Keyblades alongside the Command Gauge into his moveset. Like, he's based off of combos, and if he pulls enough off he can use strong magic finishers, or enter into a Keyblade Transformation (give him Kingdom Key, Star Seeker, and Master Keeper(?)/another original Keyblade to avoid copyright ****). I could see him being released alongside KH3 Switch, and maybe there'd be some cross promotion where if you register KH3 on MyNintendo you get Sora for free or something.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I have a feeling if they do Sora, it'll be after KH3 releases but is planned for a release on the Switch with the other KH games, especially because I feel like hed play more like his KH3 incarnation

 

[P.Kat]

I'd love it if Tetra made it to Smash as our new Zelda newcomer, give her, her flintlock pistol with water bullets, a cutlass for swashbuckling close combat, cannon, and bombs for long range attacks, and have her use her ship's catapult for her throws. She'd make a wonderful semi clone.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Yes, I agree because taking a keen eye to TP, Zant as a weird bumbling chicken man clashes super hard wit his first appearance and the tone of the game.

I guess being quirky isn't bad because it can be intimating (ie look at many other evil 'clown' characters in media) but what we got is odd.

I kinda like that Zant started off calm and calculating and then went crazy after Link kept ruining his plans. I just wish Ganondorf wasn’t involved. If Zant got more screen time he could’ve been a great villain.

His boss fight is still my favorite in the series