Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

That's SEGA for you. Always with the crazy plots.
It's surprisingly better than the anime's still.

Oh the anime is absolutely bonkers. which reminds me....

This should be Captain Falcon's new final smash! (not really but its a humorous scene)

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[Shroob]

if Kencineroar is revealed together next week, the box theory is pretty much dead, unless for some insane reason Sakurai is deciding to release the last two roster members TWO MONTHS in advance.

If there's one reveal then box theory could still be correct, but won't be 100% confirmed because they could reveal 3 or more fighters later on.

I mean, if we get the last Smash Direct this coming week, then no, not really.


I really think we need to stop considering December in calculations here. The game comes out the first week of December, and theoretically, everything SHOULD be known long before then.


Both October and November are fine times to dump the last reveals.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

So will this newcomer reveal finally decide the fate of Music Theory?

More importantly, it will decide if Box/Card theory are all that's left of the remaining roster. Only way Box/Card theory live on without the final roster being revealed is if they just casually drop Ken on the blog or something. Otherwise we're getting Kencineroar being revealed and a statement of them being the final base newcomers or not, or we get a completely different newcomer revealed instead, showing there's more beyond those two.

 

[ZephyrZ]

As much as I do actually like Incineroar and want him in the game, I would also like any old random Pokemon newcomer just to see everyone flip the crap out.

I know that a lot of Sceptile's support was based off of the flawed logic of rounding out the starter types, but man, I'd really love it if ballot support managed to get him into the game anyway. At this point chances don't look so great for him, but a tiny part of me is still hoping he'll get in as DLC.

And I won't lie, Steven's Theme gave me a little bit of irrational hope.

 

[Zinith]

ZINITH NO.
NOT THE CHILDREN!
YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO LUIGI!!

Finding Odyssey Yoshi to be "boring" is a disease that must be eradicated

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Nintendo needs time to actually advertise the finished product.

If you’re aiming to reveal every fighter prior to release, you won’t wait until December first. Despite the way we talk about the Smash, the average person who will buy it doesn’t visit forums and doesn’t follow news or keep up to date on it.

They need at least half a month to do that, if not longer. I’d guesstimate a Direct coming starting next week-mid November at the latest.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Didn't he just say in his column that they're going to be a little more conservative on character reveals? There's no way, if we get a direct sometime shortly, that'd it be the last character reveals.

 

[Shroob]

Really, I've never understood' why' a Direct in October was such an odd thing to people.

By next week, we'll be under 60 days until launch, quite possibly under 50 by the time we get a Direct announced.


When people say "There's still two months left!".... really, no.


Are you counting December, where Smash comes out the very first week of it?



The game NEEDS to have its entire roster known before December comes out to avoid any leaks, and the Prima guide, NA SE Box, and the EU SE Box will most assuredly go to printing soon.


The sooner the final reveals get, well, revealed, the less likely they are to 'leak'.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Yoshi in odyssey was cool and all, but being unable to ground pound with him due to the controls just felt unnatural to me. I kept accidentally trying to do it only to just jump out.

They should fix that if they make an Odyssey 2. Maybe even make Yoshi into a mount instead of a capture again if that's what it takes. Or maybe even his own separate character.

 

[Jigglymaster]

I'd like to also imagine that if this next announcement is the end of the new characters, he'll come out and say so by stating the final number or something, or not just fading out on the "Everyone is Here" poster, like he did in the August Direct. If he shows off any DLC, then we also know the roster is finished.

I think if it's left ambiguous as to whether or not the roster is finished, then there is still probably more. But I feel like Sakurai would let us know when he's done revealing characters.

 

[Dan]

I'm still here, but am I the only person getting sick to my stomach of speculation? It wasn't this rampant during Wii U, and I feel like Vergeben ruined a lot; I'll puke if I hear Ken, Incineroar and box one more time, and those reveals are going to be more mundane than Isabelle's at this point.

 

[Shroob]

Didn't he just say in his column that they're going to be a little more conservative on character reveals? There's no way, if we get a direct sometime shortly, that'd it be the last character reveals.

Reminder, that article was written about two weeks in advance from when it came out, so by next week, Isabelle will have been out an entire MONTH, and if she had been revealed when she was supposed to be, it would have been a month and a week.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Didn't he just say in his column that they're going to be a little more conservative on character reveals? There's no way, if we get a direct sometime shortly, that'd it be the last character reveals.

"We're slowing down on reveals."

two (or four?) weeks later

So...if we get Kencineroar, is the box debunked?

 

[Shroob]

"We're slowing down on reveals."

two (or four?) weeks later

So...if we get Kencineroar, is the box debunked?

Depends if it's the final Smash Direct or not.

Or if he himself says it is.


We don't know. It all depends on if this is the last Smash Direct.

 

[Zinith]

Yoshi in odyssey was cool and all, but being unable to ground pound with him due to the controls just felt unnatural to me. I kept accidentally trying to do it only to just jump out.

They should fix that if they make an Odyssey 2. Maybe even make Yoshi into a mount instead of a capture again if that's what it takes. Or maybe even his own separate character.

Eh, kind of a nitpick, but yes I'd like to see Yoshi utilized more in an Odyssey sequel...

 

[Icedragonadam]

Nah I don't think it'll be the final direct too early for that. It's likely a random livestream instead.

 

[perfectchaos83]

When people say "There's still two months left!".... really, no.


Are you counting December, where Smash comes out the very first week of it?

We are two months from release. You don't have to count December to reach that. Any reveal will likely happen next week, making it just under 2 month prior to launch.

The game NEEDS to have its entire roster known before December comes out to avoid any leaks, and the Prima guide, NA SE Box, and the EU SE Box will most assuredly go to printing soon.


The sooner the final reveals get, well, revealed, the less likely they are to 'leak'.

This is assuming the full roster IS on the box. It's possible that it won't. The Switch Bundle with the Mural sure as hell won't. and The Download Card from today didn't either. It's not particularly out of the ordinary to assume the full roster won't be on the boxes. As long as the full roster is revealed by mid-November, it should stay relatively leak free.

 

[Shroob]

Y'all also need to remember that the Sakurai article wasn't written literally a day before it came out. The thing was from two weeks before the magazine even came out.


So when he says "Slow down the reveals", it'll have been a month since Isabelle dropped by next week, even longer if she had come out when she was meant to.

 

[amazonevan19]

"We're slowing down on reveals."

two (or four?) weeks later

So...if we get Kencineroar, is the box debunked?

If this is the final character reveal then obviously the box theory is correct.

I feel this isn't though and we'll get a November direct with one last character reveal of maybe 2-3. (Assuming Kencineroar is revealed next week).

 

[ZephyrZ]

Eh, kind of a nitpick, but yes I'd like to see Yoshi utilized more in an Odyssey sequel...

I think what did it in for me was that unlike a lot of captures, he actually borrowed a lot of Mario's moves, so it ended up feeling like he should have the full arsenal. He even did that little thing where he stuck out his hands when he ran.

If I played that game more I probably would have gotten used to it but collecting Moons started to feel like a chore to me so I didn't.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Literally the only thing that debunks the box is characters beyond a total of 2. That’s literally it.

I’d like to see it happen, but we won’t know it until we see it happen in base roster.

In other news, something to keep in mind is that news has come to us in spans of usually 2 months...we’ll Smash Directs anyway.

June—> August —> October —> December

December wouldn’t be needed because the game would be out by the 7th. October being the last reveal with nothing in November wouldn’t necessarily be out of the question, in my opinion. It may sound weird that nothing else would be revealed, but if the roster is known and there’s only 2 months until we have the literal game in our hands, then that should be more hype than anything else.

Unless, of course, you’re not excited for the game itself.

 

[Shroob]

We are two months from release. You don't have to count December to reach that. Any reveal will likely happen next week, making it just under 2 month prior to launch.



This is assuming the full roster IS on the box. It's possible that it won't. The Switch Bundle with the Mural sure as hell won't. and The Download Card from today didn't either. It's not particularly out of the ordinary to assume the full roster won't be on the boxes. As long as the full roster is revealed by mid-November, it should stay relatively leak free.

I'm not talking about the Switch bundle.

The European bundle has the full mural on it, up to K.Rool since we last saw it.


So yes, I fully expect the European box art to have the full mural image when it comes out.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I'd like to also imagine that if this next announcement is the end of the new characters, he'll come out and say so by stating the final number or something, or not just fading out on the "Everyone is Here" poster, like he did in the August Direct. If he shows off any DLC, then we also know the roster is finished.

I think if it's left ambiguous as to whether or not the roster is finished, then there is still probably more. But I feel like Sakurai would let us know when he's done revealing characters.

Yes if Kencineroar are all that's left, prior to their reveal Sakurai is going to say something to the effect of "here are your final new challengers" (just like prior to Bayonetta's reveal in Smash 4) or afterward something to the effect of "that is the entire roster". If they get revealed and no such statement is made, then there's going to be at least one more non-Echo newcomer.

 

[LetterO]

Has this been posted yet or am I late to the party?

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[Zinith]

I think what did it in for me was that unlike a lot of captures, he actually borrowed a lot of Mario's moves, so it ended up feeling like he should have the full arsenal. He even did that little thing where he stuck out his hands when he ran.

If I played that game more I probably would have gotten used to it but collecting Moons started to feel like a chore to me so I didn't.

He seemed like the good old Yoshi I know, but also had that impressive wall latch move. He had the flutter and his eating abilities (which holy **** it got an upgrade). The only thing he DIDN'T have was the eggs (which is a reasonable thing to leave out considering the limited time you have my boi) and the ground pound...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Literally the only thing that debunks the box is characters beyond a total of 2. That’s literally it.

It could also be one character if anyone other than Paly-Cloud gets an echo.

——

I’m intrigued. It’s been a month, so I’m not too interested in the ‘New’ tag disappearing, but them changing the video list is interesting. I’m not expecting anything, but let’s see...

I am hoping for a 50-facts closer to release, so I don’t know if a random drop and that are gonna happen, but we never know...

 

[Paperchampion23]

Basically I see a few outcomes happening:

1. Character Trailer next week: 1 Unique or a Unique and Echo fighter. Thats it. Leaves space for a final direct in November and likely satisfies us for the month. It could hurt the box theory's claim of only 2 more characters for base, simply because the previous Smash directs usually have 2 unique character reveals, however that trend may not continue, who knows.

2. Final Smash Direct next week: Sakurai tells us this is it, reveals everything. Boom, speculation is done until DLC or some sort of miraculous surprise that he never told us about anyway. Will kill or confirm the box theory.

3. Smash Direct next week, but it announces something else in November: Reveals a few characters, possibly saving another for later. Would probably kill the box theory, as 1 character each direct (1 being an echo) makes little sense, imo.



I'm inclined to think its not 2, only because Sakurai's comments last week specify that the "rate" will slow, meaning that you have to have more than 1 event to reveal characters and "slow down the rate significantly". If the final direct is next week, there's no reason to make that comment. At least 1 and 3 allow for more information.

 

[Shroob]

Basically I see a few outcomes happening:

1. Character Trailer next week: 1 Unique or a Unique and Echo fighter. Thats it. Leaves space for a final direct in November and likely satisfies us for the month. It could hurt the box theory's claim of only 2 more characters for base, simply because the previous Smash directs usually have 2 unique character reveals, however that trend may not continue, who knows.

2. Final Smash Direct next week: Sakurai tells us this is it, reveals everything. Boom, speculation is done until DLC or some sort of miraculous surprise that he never told us about anyway. Will kill or confirm the box theory.

3. Smash Direct next week, but it announces something else in November: Reveals a few characters, possibly saving another for later. Would probably kill the box theory, as 1 character each direct (1 being an echo) makes little sense, imo.



I'm inclined to think its not 2, only because Sakurai's comments last week specify that the "rate" will slow, meaning that you have to have more than 1 event to reveal characters and "slow down the rate significantly". If the final direct is next week, there's no reason to make that comment. At least 1 and 3 allow for more information.

You gotta remember that Sakurai's statement will have been made, by next week, an entire month ago at this point; the Famitsu column wasn't written an entire day beforehand.


I legit could see us get 1 character, 1 echo, and them announcing the first batch of DLC characters, showing off the progress on one ala Mewtwo.


Mind you, we ONLY got two characters in 50 facts, not counting Mewtwo, so "Two reveals+DLC" is not that absurd when the biggest Smash Direct ever only had two characters.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Has this been posted yet or am I late to the party?

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We know but its very good that Sourcegaming and other news outlets are starting to pick up on this.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Having a Pokémon character be the 69th character will be a waste of such a sacred number

I don’t know man. If it’s Incineroar making a really smug face I wouldn’t even mind.

 

[Will]

I don’t know man. If it’s Incineroar making a really smug face I wouldn’t even mind.

He obviously means that it's a wasted slot used for nothing more than all the 69ing porn Incineroar will get made out of him.

 

[Shroob]

I also think we need to keep in mind that we may not even get the Direct next week.

The last time NEW disappeared, it took two weeks until we got the September Direct announced, and even then it got delayed.


The only reason we could expect it to come next week is due to the playlist being updated recently, which means they probably have videos ready to go.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I also think we need to keep in mind that we may not even get the Direct next week.

The last time NEW disappeared, it took two weeks until we got the September Direct announced, and even then it got delayed.


The only reason we could expect it to come next week is due to the playlist being updated recently, which means they probably have videos ready to go.

Last time it was removed about 10 days before the intended air date for the Direct. It wasn't two weeks.

 

[Shroob]

Last time it was removed about 10 days before the intended air date for the Direct. It wasn't two weeks.

It was removed August 24th. The Direct was set to reveal on September 6th.

That's like 13 days, close enough.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

It could also be one character if anyone other than Paly-Cloud gets an echo.

——

I’m intrigued. It’s been a month, so I’m not too interested in the ‘New’ tag disappearing, but them changing the video list is interesting. I’m not expecting anything, but let’s see...

I am hoping for a 50-facts closer to release, so I don’t know if a random drop and that are gonna happen, but we never know...

It would also be debunked by only one character being revealed if it's anyone but Ken, as the final reveal is going to be a non-Echo newcomer with a full trailer, so there would have to be at least one more non-Echo newcomer left in that scenario. So really the next reveal is going to make or break the box, unless they just casually drop Ken somewhere.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

It really depresses me that there’s a whole bunch of people who aren’t aware of any of the theories or leaks and still think their wanted characters are possible.

 

[FalconFire93]

Yoshi in odyssey was cool and all, but being unable to ground pound with him due to the controls just felt unnatural to me. I kept accidentally trying to do it only to just jump out.

They should fix that if they make an Odyssey 2. Maybe even make Yoshi into a mount instead of a capture again if that's what it takes. Or maybe even his own separate character.

Definitely make Yoshi a separate character, I’d love to see that.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Watch PapaGenos latest video. He says the box theory could still be credible only that it WON'T be the final roster similarly to the cards. It will only be up to date with the latest reveal and get printed still leaving out characters.

Box theory people are looking at it as if there's only one outcome and that outcome alone.

 

[Big-Cat]

Hey, wouldn't it be crazy if it's not Ken but rather Chun-Li that's added? Or better yet, both are added.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Watch PapaGenos latest video. He says the box theory could still be credible only that it WON'T be the final roster similarly to the cards. It will only be up to date with the latest reveal and get printed still leaving out characters.

Box theory people are looking at it as if there's only one outcome and that outcome alone.

We have reached peak mental gymnastics. Holy ****.