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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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vaanrose

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Only Nintendo video game characters can be in Smash.

Snake gets added.

Only third party video game characters with strong connections to Nintendo can be in Smash.

Cloud gets added.

Only third party video game characters who are iconic or mainstream popular can be in Smash.

Richter gets added.

Only video game characters can be in Smash.
 

AzureFlame4

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Ok you tell me, would a dyed in the wool goku fan really want Goku nerfed so that he can be beaten by a Plumber from Brooklyn and a Blue Furry Copycat?
How would the world react if Goku was bottom tier? I want Goku in now just so this can happen.
 

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Nintendo:
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Inkling
Marth
Roy
Lucina
Chrom
Ike
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Shonen Jump:

Goku
Piccolo
Vegeta
Gohan
Krillin
Frieza
Cell
Majin Buu
Naruto
Sasuke
Sakura
Orochimaru
Kakashi
Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Gon
Killua

All I can come up with for the Shonen Jump side...
 
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CosmicQuark

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Oh my, we're talking about Goku. It's that time of the month?

I'm insistent that if we get a non-video game character, it should be Spongebob from Battle for Bikini Bottom. His moves with bubble powers are perfect for Smash (Viking Helmet, Stomp, Torpedoes) and the game has awesome music to boot.

I'm only being half serious.
 

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Only Nintendo video game characters can be in Smash.

Snake gets added.

Only third party video game characters with strong connections to Nintendo can be in Smash.

Cloud gets added.

Only third party video game characters who are iconic or mainstream popular can be in Smash.

Richter gets added.

Only video game characters can be in Smash.
To be fair, Richter is pretty popular in the Castlevania fandom from what I see and was an easy echo either way.
 
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I mean if Smash were to take canon into consideration, Corrin, Ridley, and Charizard would have unwinnable matchups against Marth, Lucina, Roy, and Chrom. :p
Charizard isn't Dragon type, so he's good. :V
 

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Smash ultimate is looking better than smash 4 but they need to put classic ridely in the game. Meta ridley looks more like ridley than normal decaying dead ridley.
 

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Nintendo:
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Inkling
Marth
Roy
Lucina
Chrom
Ike
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Shonen Jump:

Goku
Piccolo
Vegeta
Gohan
Krillin
Frieza
Cell
Majin Buu
Naruto
Sasuke
Sakura
Orochimaru
Kakashi
Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Gon
Killua

All I can come up with for the Shonen Jump side...
YOure missing a few, Jotaro Kujo, Joeseph Joestar, Kenshiro, Yusuke Urameshi, Kazuma Kuwabara, Light Yagami and Ryuk as a final boss. Arale Norimaki. and so on.
 
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Ok you tell me, would a dyed in the wool goku fan really want Goku nerfed so that he can be beaten by a Plumber from Brooklyn and a Blue Furry Copycat?
If it meant they could play as Goku in Smash?

No **** they would be fine with that.
Work on your arguments, man.
 

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Only Nintendo video game characters can be in Smash.

Snake gets added.

Only third party video game characters with strong connections to Nintendo can be in Smash.

Cloud gets added.

Only third party video game characters who are iconic or mainstream popular can be in Smash.

Richter gets added.

Only video game characters can be in Smash.
These were all fan rules.

Sakurai on the other hand has stated being a video game character is required. The Smash Ballot reinfirces this.
 

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YOure missing a few, Jotaro Kujo, Joeseph Joestar, Kenshiro, Yusuke Urameshi, Kazuma Kuwabara, Light Yagami and Ryuk as a final boss. Arale Norimaki. and so on.
There's only a few Shonen Jump animes I've ever watched so I don't exactly know all of them tbh. Thanks though I could get a better idea now for such a roster.
 

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Nintendo:
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Inkling
Marth
Roy
Lucina
Chrom
Ike
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Shonen Jump:

Goku
Piccolo
Vegeta
Gohan
Krillin
Frieza
Cell
Majin Buu
Naruto
Sasuke
Sakura
Orochimaru
Kakashi
Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Gon
Killua

All I can come up with for the Shonen Jump side...
Allen Walker and the Millennium Earl from D. Gray-Man should be in...
 
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Here's a good question: how do you guys feel about either one, multiple, or any of all the franchises involved in Smash and how they're represented going into Smash Ultimate? Do you feel they gave this franchise it's due or perhaps you feel as if there is definitely some work that needs to be done still?

Here are my thoughts for a few franchises, as I feel representing a franchise is what makes their respective series feel right either doing justice, or "what have they done?" I do hope to talk about every IP involved, but I think just stating a few would be a good start. I'll put it in a spoiler tab to prevent this post from looking so long. Keep in mind, though, I'll keep some franchises in two categories.

:ultrob::ultduckhunt::ulticeclimbers::ultgnw: Classic Nintendo - With the return of the Ice Climbers, it feels as if finally the era of "classic Nintendo" has gotten it's fair share of good representation. The thing is that aside from Game & Watch and R.O.B., these are essentially one-off games. BUT, the fact each IP has gotten a stage and some degree of trophy work and music work is very admirable and nice to see. The only "con" I see is R.O.B. still not having a dedicated stage, though, I think due to Brawl's way of unlocking R.O.B., Mario Bros. seems to be "R.O.B.'s stage" given with how it looks like Gyromite to an extent. Maybe they can add even more of their toy line-up, like the Ultra Hand or Hanafuda cards, even. Overall, definitely content with how they've treated their retro properties.

:ultwiifittrainer::ultmiifighters: Modern Nintendo - While there's less IPs than the previous era of Nintendo, no doubt do these two have a bigger impact than it's predecessor. Wii Fit and the Miis have become a staple of not just Nintendo history, but gaming history in general, so I feel that they've done a fairly good job with how they've handled these properties. There's a Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit stage, good amount of music - I feel as if the original Wii Sports could definitely get some love, but overall, just like with Classic Nintendo, very content.

:ultmario::ultdoc::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultrosalina: Super Mario - What else really is there to say? It's Mr. Video Game, the big star. I think they've covered almost every part of Mario's history from his humble beginnings to his most latest blockbuster. I am a bit saddened that the only Paper Mario representation we might have still is the Paper Mario stage where it's practically a Sticker Star stage, and not to mention barely any love for Mario Party at all, where - yes, I understand Mario Kart has definitely sold more - that spin-off is just as iconic as Mario Kart. But, the return of N64's Mushroom Kingdom, a Mario Odyssey stage and alternate costumes are very good additions to the already abundant IP. Once they add in Geno and Super Mario RPG, I feel as if we'll reach the climax of just what can be done for Mario and everything else added is a sweet bonus. Overall, with Mario getting more awesome music and other content we expect, I'm definitely happy with the results.

:ultshulk: Xenoblade Chronicles - Whoo boy. Where do I begin. I'll say that representation for Xenoblade Chronicles has been... Okay, and that's something that needs to be fixed SEVERELY. Shulk as a character is not bad, Gaur Plains... I mean, they nailed down the original design to a tee, but probably shouldn't have, given the platform layout. The trophies are a nice touch, even if one is a gigantic ****ing spoiler that is now a part of Shulk's final smash, thanks Sakurai. :4pacman: Music is where I have a BIG issue with how they treated Xenoblade. There's practically only one "remix" and it's a haphazardly-made medley that only features two songs really being re-arranged and that's about it. We only got straight up rips and that's it. I feel that needs to be changed drastically, and going into Smash Ultimate, I really hope that's the case. Though, at some point down Ultimate's lifecycle, we're no doubt gonna get Rex & Pyra alongside Xenoblade Chronicles 2 content, and when THAT happens, then Xenoblade will get a HUGE boost in god-like content being added for a franchise. I hope that day comes sooner than later, because right now, I feel as if that's what Xenoblade needs at the moment. It looks like they're putting work, at the very least, with redesigning Shulk a tiny bit, so here's to praying we see Monado Boy get his due.

:ultinkling: Splatoon - It was really only a matter of time before this franchise got into Smash, and going into Ultimate, they definitely have been nailing aspects of what makes Splatoon the game we all know and love. The Squid Sisters AT is a great addition, Moray Towers seems to be an alright stage to play on, and the music so far has been a jam. Not to mention, the alternate costumes for the Inklings are a great touch. For this being the newest IP getting mass popularity and love, I expect no less to happen in Smash Ultimate. For the seeds being planted, I can see Splatoon getting pretty damn good representation and even expect future DLC content to represent Splatoon 2 with the Octolings coming in (at a reasonable price, mind you). I look forward to what we're gonna be getting.

:ultryu: Street Fighter - Well. Talk about a growth spurt, huh? Street Fighter coming into Smash 4 was a definite surprise, even if it being leaked hampered the reveal a lot. We got six songs, a few trophies and a stage to boot, too. I feel as if they did Ryu justice with how they can put him in a Smash Bros. game. Going into Ultimate, however, I was definitely not expecting this franchise to get a huge upset. We now have 30 MORE tracks than the previous game, another character being Ken, and possibly even a new stage? That's actually insane, and to be honest, it makes sense. Street Fighter has to be the most prolific fighting game series of all time, so for it to get this much love going into Smash Ultimate is very, VERY nice to see and I can't wait to see what else they've done for our boy Ryu.
 

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Nintendo:
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Inkling
Marth
Roy
Lucina
Chrom
Ike
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Shonen Jump:

Goku
Piccolo
Vegeta
Gohan
Krillin
Frieza
Cell
Majin Buu
Naruto
Sasuke
Sakura
Orochimaru
Kakashi
Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Gon
Killua

All I can come up with for the Shonen Jump side...
I got you
Goku
Piccolo
Gohan
Vegeta
Trunks
Frieza
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Usopp
Trafalgar Law
Yusuke
Hiei
Kuwabara
Kurama
Toguro
Naruto
Sasuke
Kakashi
Madara
Gaara
Gon
Killua
Midoriya
All Might
Todoroki
Bakugo
Ichigo Kurosaki
Uryu
Aizen
Chad
Yugi Muto
Seto Kaiba
Light Yagami
 
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Only Nintendo video game characters can be in Smash.

Snake gets added.

Only third party video game characters with strong connections to Nintendo can be in Smash.

Cloud gets added.

Only third party video game characters who are iconic or mainstream popular can be in Smash.

Richter gets added.

Only video game characters can be in Smash.
Godzilla gets added.

...wait.
These were all fan rules.

Sakurai on the other hand has stated being a video game character is required. The Smash Ballot reinfirces this.
He never said it was a "requirement". That is once again the fans taking what he actually said to mean what they interpret it to be.

What he said was "no manga characters will participate" when he was asked about guests in the Brawl questionnaire.
He never actually said "guests have to be from video game franchises and this rule shall never be broken until the end of time".
 

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I'm insistent that if we get a non-video game character, it should be Spongebob from Battle for Bikini Bottom. His moves with bubble powers are perfect for Smash (Viking Helmet, Stomp, Torpedoes) and the game has awesome music to boot.

I'm only being half serious.
If this actually happened, I'd probably play him just for the sake of stomping people as spongebob
 

EnthusedPanda

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Only Nintendo video game characters can be in Smash.

Snake gets added.

Only third party video game characters with strong connections to Nintendo can be in Smash.

Cloud gets added.

Only third party video game characters who are iconic or mainstream popular can be in Smash.

Richter gets added.

Only video game characters can be in Smash.
Nonetheless, those additions don’t defy the medium itself in the way a “fourth” party character would. Third parties were never ruled out to my knowledge, only regarded as unlikely or hard to achieve; fourth parties are on record as being impossible, deliberately so.
 

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With all the proof piling up this proves that Goku has more valid creds to be in smash more than any other requested fighter atm since he is the number 1 pick. On a side note I hope the castlevania series gets revived with these character designs and old style classic gameplay.
 

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Death note would be almost literally impossible if he knew his opponents real name.

Only possible person to be safe would be Sheik since it's an alias for Zelda. Then again he is a real fighter in that jump gaming coming out so there is a way to make it work I suppose.
 
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How's this for the Nintendo side?

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Fox
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Captain Falcon
Ness
Marth
Roy
Lucina
Ike
Pit
Palutena
Shulk
Inkling
Spring Man
Ribbon Girl
 
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I got you
Goku
Piccolo
Gohan
Vegeta
Trunks
Frieza
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Usopp
Trafalgar Law
Yusuke
Hiei
Kuwabara
Kurama
Toguro
Naruto
Sasuke
Kakashi
Madara
Gaara
Gon
Killua
Midoriya
All Might
Todoroki
Bakugo
Ichigo Kurosaki
Uryu
Aizen
Chad
Yugi Muto
Seto Kaiba
Light Yagami
Heh that's actually pretty perfect. Trying to round it out to 30 for each side though. So might cut out a few to even it.
 

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Not sure if this was already posted but here i come
Hey guys,

I'm not going to reveal who I am except that I do in fact work for Nintendo. Believe this leak or not, but all of this will be over soon. The next Smash Ultimate Direct is October 16th. Anyway, let me tell you the newcomers.

Skull Kid (The Legend of Zelda)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Incineroar (Gen 7 Pokemon rep)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Steve? (Minecraft)
Banjo-Kazooie

Echos:
Ken echos Ryu (Street Fighter)
Shadow echos Sonic (Sonic)
Octolings echos inking (Splatoon)
Dixie Kong echos Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong)

Stages:
Planet Robotron
Forest Maze
Overworld
Gruntilda's Castle

There are talks about DLC. The only guaranteed person right now is Spring Man from Arms.

Now, let me tell you about Spirits Mode.
It's the only way to unlock the characters. You start out with the beginning roster for the 64, except no Mario, Link, Kirby, or Captain Falcon.

That's all I have to say. I will try to get an image or two to prove my point, but it's not likely.
Source: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77046493
not worth anyone's time
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even mods know
 
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Death note would be almost literally impossible if he knew his opponents real name.

Only possible person to be safe would be Sheik since it's an alias for Zelda. Then again he is a real fighter in that jump gaming coming out so there is a way to make it work I suppose.
Ice Climbers come to mind. As well as the Pokemon because who knows what their trainers named them. Hell, Pokemon Trainer is only known as Pokemon Trainer here. Also Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Inkling, and you get the point.
 

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I gotta say if, in some weird twist of fate, Goku did actually get in before Crono I'd be frustrated enough to at least consider not getting the game
 

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Death note would be almost literally impossible if he knew his opponents real name.

Only possible person to be safe would be Sheik since it's an alias for Zelda. Then again he is a real fighter in that jump gaming coming out so there is a way to make it work I suppose.
I also think machines would be safe like ROB and Megaman since they technically aren't alive to begin with.
 
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The way they were fine with an internet show saying superman could beat him?
Dude. People ******* a fit over Link vs. Cloud and Bowser vs. Ganondorf.
Yet no one cares that all of them can be beaten by the likes of Pichu, Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer.

Why?
Because it's a ****ing game.
And in games, characters have to be able to LOSE.

Just like in the OTHER crossovers Goku has been in with characters that he could easily beat yet they can beat him in-game.

Someone brought up Battle Stadium D.O.N.
None of the Naruto or One Piece characters come even CLOSE to the Dragon Ball Z characters in terms of power on that roster.
Did anyone complain?
No.

So why the hell would they complain that Goku can -gasp- lose in Smash as a playable fighter?
Seriously, why are you even trying to make this asinine point?

EDIT: Hell, one of the suggestions was a "Nintendo vs. Shonen Jump" game.
Goku would have to be able to be beaten by everyone else on the roster from both sides, so how is that any different?


And the reason Superman vs. Goku got so much hate that is irrelevant to Smash?
Because Superman vs. Goku was a long-time internet debate on who would beat the other in a real fight using canon strengths.
Smash is just a game of King of the Hill for the fun of it that doesn't care about who's stronger in canon.
 
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I'm clocking out for the night, if anyone else wants to pick the Goku hill to die on find someone else to carry the flag of "Duh of course he isn't" Goodnight all.
 

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This whole talk about Nintendo vs. Shonen Jump. It makes me want that to be a actual game in reality. Man how awesome would it be...

I'd definitely main Deku. I love that young hero. Probably the most realistic and believable Shonen protag ever.
 
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Death note would be almost literally impossible if he knew his opponents real name.

Only possible person to be safe would be Sheik since it's an alias for Zelda. Then again he is a real fighter in that jump gaming coming out so there is a way to make it work I suppose.
The others he'd probably KO instantly, but with Sheik
it'd be a 20 minute match of Light talking to Sheik, making her think he's on her side, and once he got her real name, cause her to SD.
 

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Now that people mentioned anime characters...
keep in mind, I'm not being serious here, at all, but
I think that Eren from Attack on Titan has gameplay potential XD
The grappling hooks would make him unique, and he would also have the smoke gun as a special, giving different effects to the opponents depending on the color of the smoke.
Also, the final smash :ultjigglypuff:
 
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Nintendo:
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Inkling
Marth
Roy
Lucina
Chrom
Ike
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Shonen Jump:

Goku
Piccolo
Vegeta
Gohan
Krillin
Frieza
Cell
Majin Buu
Naruto
Sasuke
Sakura
Orochimaru
Kakashi
Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Nami
Usopp
Gon
Killua

All I can come up with for the Shonen Jump side...
Hmm, let me see if I can take a crack at it. I'm including characters that have never been in any pervious Smash games.
Smash Roster:
  1. Mario
  2. Luigi
  3. Peach
  4. Bowser
  5. Geno
  6. Donkey Kong
  7. Diddy Kong
  8. King K Rool
  9. Link
  10. Zelda
  11. Ganondorf
  12. Samus
  13. Ridley
  14. Sylux
  15. Pit
  16. Fox
  17. Pikachu
  18. Mewtwo
  19. Sceptile
  20. Lucario
  21. Geninja
  22. Kirby
  23. Meta Knight
  24. King Dedede
  25. Bandana Waddle Dee
  26. Marth
  27. Hector
  28. Robin
  29. Rex & Pyra
  30. Inkling
  31. Spring Man
  32. Wario
  33. Waluigi
  34. Isaac
  35. Ness
  36. Captain Falcon
  37. Ice Climbers
  38. Mr Game and Watch
  39. R.O.B
  40. Little Mac

  1. Goku
  2. Vegeta
  3. Gohan
  4. Piccolo
  5. Trunks
  6. Frieza
  7. Beerus
  8. Luffy
  9. Zoro
  10. Sanji
  11. Sabo
  12. Blackbeard
  13. Naruto
  14. Sauske
  15. Sakura
  16. Kakashi
  17. Madara
  18. My Hero Acadamia Protagonist
  19. My Hero Acadamia Rival
  20. My Hero Acadamia's Blond Hair Man (I forgot their names lol)
  21. Ichigo
  22. Rukia
  23. Aizen
  24. Gon
  25. Killua
  26. Kurapkia
  27. Hisoka
  28. Yuske
  29. Heih
  30. Kurama
  31. Toguro
  32. Medaka
  33. Jospeh Joestar
  34. Jotaro Kujo
  35. Diamond Is Unbreakable Jojo (forgot his name)
  36. DIO
  37. Tsuna (Hitman Reborn Character)
  38. Gintoki (Gintama)
  39. Kenshiro (Fist of the North Star)
  40. Raho (Fist of the North Star)
What do you think?
 
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