Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[kylexv]

Hey guys when the final smash direct was over how salty was the smashboards

It was definitely worse around when the ESRB leak was leaked and also when it was confirmed to be real.
*shudders in Little Mac*

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Today's update is on the Italian website. It's Kapp'n as an Assist Trophy.

Looks like we got blog post about new AC assist trophy

New Smash Blog Post! (09/30)
Today's Item
Kapp'n Assist Trophy
When Kapp'n takes the stage he hops on a bus and drives around the stage. Careful! When he hits a fighter, he'll carry them off of the stage in his bus!! pic.twitter.com/nAStrVOL9P

— Toad’s Nintendo News (@MailToadINTEL) October 1, 2018

DK looks like he's about to throw Kapp'n out of that bus, Battletoads-style.

But....the game wasn't that bad....heck from an action game standpoint it's pretty damn good.

Although it did tarnish Ninja Theory's reputation for some time.

Hey guys when the final smash direct was over how salty was the smashboards

I steered clear of the forums after I saw 's reveal.

Although I would have wanted to see how the Pichu supporter took this.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Man, if this is seriously a signal that "Blog theory" is dead, I'll have a good laugh.

We had an Assist Trophy at the start of last week too.

How? Analyzing the blog is about *average* post number, not the exact number a week or day-to-day postings. If the *average* suddenly changed and started to slow down, then that would be notable. That being said, given Sakurai has said reveals will be slowing down, while it doesn't directly challenge the assumptions of using the blog, it does so implicitly, and so if we're going to call it "dead" it was dead after Sakurai's recent comments (which no theory is "dead" until directly deconfirmed).

 

[Noipoi]

But yeah, if we get 2 characters this week, blog theory is looking pretty dire.


Granted, it's about damn time. We should have gotten most of these items/assists back in August/late September; now they're going to use October as their dumping ground for playing Direct catch-up.

I could see them dumping the rest of the items on the blog in October before a Direct in early November.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

*sigh*...So, shenanigans aside, would anyone care to rate this hypothetical DLC lineup?

Hypothetical DLC Characters:
Unique Newcomers: 9
Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade)
Spring Man (ARMS)
Issac (Golden Sun)
Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Sylux (Metroid)
Eldeguard (Fire Emblem)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Monster Hunter (Monster Hunter)

Echoes: 5
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
Impa (Legend of Zelda)
Ribbon Girl (ARMS)
Octoling (Splatoon)
Viridi (Kid Icarus)

Total DLC Fighter Count: 14

Overall disappointing. 9 unique fighters is only two more than Sm4sh, and I expect a lot more than that considering how successful the Switch is. DLC echoes likely won't happen either, as there's no need to rush fighters. Picks like Impa, Viridi, Skull Kid, and Sylux aren't exactly exciting either. Like, I wouldn't buy those characters if I wasn't inclined to have the full roster.

That being said, I'll piggyback off of this and ask you guys to rate this lineup:

Before I start:
- Echoes are italicized
- Slashes indicate that one of the two characters will get in

Base Roster
Incineroar (Pokemon)
Sora/Geno (Square Enix)
Steve (Microsoft)
Ken (Street Fighter - Ryu)
Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog - Sonic)*

DLC
Sora & Roxas/Geno (The one that didn't make it into base, Roxas is added if Sora is DLC) (Square Enix)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade Chronicles 2)
Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven)
Spring Man & Ribbon Girl (ARMS)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Paper Mario (Paper Mario)
Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
Jin Kazama/Heihachi (Tekken)
Joker/Yu Narukami (Persona)
Arle Nadja & Second Puyo Puyo character (Puyo Puyo)
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Rayman (Rayman)
Crash Bandicoot & Coco Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
Banjo & Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie)
Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog - Semi clone of Sonic)*
Octoling (Splatoon - Semi-clone of Inklings)
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country - Semi-clone of Diddy Kong)

*If a Sonic character is in base roster, it will be Shadow as a Sonic echo. If not, it will be Tails as a Sonic semi-clone

Overall 22 characters, though it's more like 20 if you account for the fact that three are echoes and three are semi-clones. I could easily see this being done over the course of 2 - 3 years, which is likely what this game's lifespan is going to be. I also expect the DLC team to be slightly larger and more dedicated due to the Switch's success and Nintendo's new push for DLC in their games, so anywhere from 7 - 10 characters a year is reasonable.

DLC is going to be where Nintendo hits hardest in terms of hype picks because they need to sell us on the merit of the characters alone.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Probably the new game, Minecraft Dungeons.

It was literally that. Minecon Earth was honestly fun to watch. Though it didn't have a ton of exciting news in my case, it was a pretty good presentation overall.

They plan to make other spin-off genre games too, instead of simply making a sequel. How well it goes is hard to say, but it's cool to see the franchise expanding more and more.

 

[Shroob]

How? Analyzing the blog is about *average* post number, not the exact number a week or day-to-day postings. If the *average* suddenly changed and started to slow down, then that would be notable. That being said, given Sakurai has said reveals will be slowing down, while it doesn't directly challenge the assumptions of using the blog, it does so implicitly, and so if we're going to call it "dead" it was dead after Sakurai's recent comments (which no theory is "dead" until directly deconfirmed).

If we get 2 a week from this point on, each week cuts into the expected outcome.

The blog theory more or less banked on 3 a week until launch giving us that 7-8 number. The less weeks we have with 3-4 reveals, the lower that estimated number becomes.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I dont much follow competitive Pokemon so may i ask where Decidueye is in ranking?

There are some flaws to Decidueye that prevents it from being that viable, but I don’t really know.

Here, I haven't been super into competitive mons for a while but I can still help answer that.

Decidueye's stats are too middling. His attack and special attack are both passable, but nothing overly impressive. However, he lacks the defensive stats to tank nor the speed to go offensive, so he's left being unable to pull off any sort of real team roll to a major degree. It's a shame to, since ghost typing is really useful and Spirit Shackle could be a really annoying tool if he had the stats to pull it off.

Incineroar has a similar issue stat wise, but he's able to overcome his unimpressive stat spread in doubles through support moves and abilities such as Intimidate and Fake Out. He still really sucks in singles though.

 

[Iridium]

You know, I ought to test out the Hyrule Jump for every character when I get the game (and a Switch). It would at least be neat to try.

 

[Will]

Is Ridley too big for Kapp'n's bus?

 

[FirestormNeos]

I only hung at the Nintenzone thread but it wasn't that bad.

Except for a guy or two who left a huge rant on "Bayonetta ruining the integrity of Smash Bros."

"ayy lmao she merely finished what Melee's event mode started"

 

[Noipoi]

Is Ridley too big for Kapp'n's bus?

Yes, but they'll let him in after 17 years of begging.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Did I miss any new info that dumped yesterday?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Overall disappointing. 9 unique fighters is only two more than Sm4sh, and I expect a lot more than that considering how successful the Switch is. DLC echoes likely won't happen either, as there's no need to rush fighters. Picks like Impa, Viridi, Skull Kid, and Sylux aren't exactly exciting either. Like, I wouldn't buy those characters if I wasn't inclined to have the full roster.

That being said, I'll piggyback off of this and ask you guys to rate this lineup:

Before I start:
- Echoes are italicized
- Slashes indicate that one of the two characters will get in

Base Roster
Incineroar (Pokemon)
Sora/Geno (Square Enix)
Steve (Microsoft)
Ken (Street Fighter - Ryu)
Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog - Sonic)*

DLC
Sora & Roxas/Geno (The one that didn't make it into base, Roxas is added if Sora is DLC) (Square Enix)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade Chronicles 2)
Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven)
Spring Man & Ribbon Girl (ARMS)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Paper Mario (Paper Mario)
Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
Jin Kazama/Heihachi (Tekken)
Joker/Yu Narukami (Persona)
Arle Nadja & Second Puyo Puyo character (Puyo Puyo)
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Rayman (Rayman)
Crash Bandicoot & Coco Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
Banjo & Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie)
Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog - Semi clone of Sonic)*
Octoling (Splatoon - Semi-clone of Inklings)
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country - Semi-clone of Diddy Kong)

*If a Sonic character is in base roster, it will be Shadow as a Sonic echo. If not, it will be Tails as a Sonic semi-clone

Overall 22 characters, though it's more like 20 if you account for the fact that three are echoes and three are semi-clones. I could easily see this being done over the course of 2 - 3 years, which is likely what this game's lifespan is going to be. I also expect the DLC team to be slightly larger and more dedicated due to the Switch's success and Nintendo's new push for DLC in their games, so anywhere from 7 - 10 characters a year is reasonable.

DLC is going to be where Nintendo hits hardest in terms of hype picks because they need to sell us on the merit of the characters alone.

9/10. The lack of Shantae concerns me, but the rest is practically nothing but hits.

Is Ridley too big for Kapp'n's bus?

One size fits all.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Glad to see the Blog Update finally focus on the battle bus from Fortnite. :ultkappa:

Anyways I wanna take a stab at that series ranking thing that was going on a few pages back so people can judge my bad opinions

E L D E R G O D S Tier-
Great Tier-
Good Tier-
OK Tier-
Meh Tier-
Lol Tier-
"Come Back To Me When I Actually Play Earthbound" Tier-
"Come Back To Me When The Rondo Of Blood And SotN Bundle Drops On PS4 At The End Of October" Tier-/

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, so quick question for everyone. Would you guys be okay if I did a series of my own where I pitch characters for Smash along with a moveset I made here in the General Forum, or does that kind of content deserve it's own thread or something?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Hey guys when the final smash direct was over how salty was the smashboards

It wasn't all that bad. The majority of the salt came from Corrin's inclusion but everyone was pretty ok with Bayonetta. At least, that's as far as I remember. I was pretty salty about Snake not making it back but that was par for the course by then so I wasn't all surprised. Corrin though. Yeah, Corrin had it pretty rough.

 

[CosmicQuark]

If we get 2 a week from this point on, each week cuts into the expected outcome.

The blog theory more or less banked on 3 a week until launch giving us that 7-8 number. The less weeks we have with 3-4 reveals, the lower that estimated number becomes.

That's a big if though, if the reasoning is we had one week with only two character posts, therefore every week will have around two character posts. Weeks 6 and 8 had two character posts, but the average stayed the same as we had 4 character posts in weeks 4 and 5. Which is why I emphasize average, and I feel like those advocating blog theory, including that Reddit post and Gamexplain do a disservice by masking the simplicity of the assumptions. We'll only know for sure if the average has changed by looking back in a couple of weeks.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Overall disappointing. 9 unique fighters is only two more than Sm4sh, and I expect a lot more than that considering how successful the Switch is. DLC echoes likely won't happen either, as there's no need to rush fighters. Picks like Impa, Viridi, Skull Kid, and Sylux aren't exactly exciting either. Like, I wouldn't buy those characters if I wasn't inclined to have the full roster.

That being said, I'll piggyback off of this and ask you guys to rate this lineup:

Before I start:
- Echoes are italicized
- Slashes indicate that one of the two characters will get in

Base Roster
Incineroar (Pokemon)
Sora/Geno (Square Enix)
Steve (Microsoft)
Ken (Street Fighter - Ryu)
Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog - Sonic)*

DLC
Sora & Roxas/Geno (The one that didn't make it into base, Roxas is added if Sora is DLC) (Square Enix)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade Chronicles 2)
Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven)
Spring Man & Ribbon Girl (ARMS)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Paper Mario (Paper Mario)
Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
Jin Kazama/Heihachi (Tekken)
Joker/Yu Narukami (Persona)
Arle Nadja & Second Puyo Puyo character (Puyo Puyo)
Dante (Devil May Cry)
Rayman (Rayman)
Crash Bandicoot & Coco Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
Banjo & Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie)
Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog - Semi clone of Sonic)*
Octoling (Splatoon - Semi-clone of Inklings)
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country - Semi-clone of Diddy Kong)

*If a Sonic character is in base roster, it will be Shadow as a Sonic echo. If not, it will be Tails as a Sonic semi-clone

Overall 22 characters, though it's more like 20 if you account for the fact that three are echoes and three are semi-clones. I could easily see this being done over the course of 2 - 3 years, which is likely what this game's lifespan is going to be. I also expect the DLC team to be slightly larger and more dedicated due to the Switch's success and Nintendo's new push for DLC in their games, so anywhere from 7 - 10 characters a year is reasonable.

DLC is going to be where Nintendo hits hardest in terms of hype picks because they need to sell us on the merit of the characters alone.

Crap I knew I was forgetting Rayman and Crash in MY DLC picks list methinks I was perhaps a bit too conservative...coulda threw in Dante and Joker and maybe even Funky Kong for good measure

 

[Shroob]

That's a big if though, if the reasoning is we had one week with only two character posts, therefore every week will have around two character posts. Weeks 6 and 8 had two character posts, but the average stayed the same as we had 4 character posts in weeks 4 and 5. Which is why I emphasize average, and I feel like those advocating blog theory, including that Reddit post and Gamexplain do a disservice by masking the simplicity of the assumptions. We'll only know for sure if the average has changed by looking back in a couple of weeks.

Of course.

We still have this week to go through, but it's highly possible that they've started to 'normalize' the blog.


Aka:

Monday: Assist
Tuesday: Fighter
Wednesday: Music+Stage
Thursday: Item
Friday: Fighter


We'll have to wait and see.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

"ayy lmao she merely finished what Melee's event mode started"

I honestly want to see what the next variant of the Final Showdown title will be like this time.

 

[Idon]

Hey, so quick question for everyone. Would you guys be okay if I did a series of my own where I pitch characters for Smash along with a moveset I made here in the General Forum, or does that kind of content deserve it's own thread or something?

Look, no one's exactly going to stop you.
Feel free to do whatever you want as long as it's somewhat smash related.

And believe me, it's far better than staring at the only 2 topics we ever seem to have, making fan-made rosters, and discussing leaks.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, is it just me, or the JRPG series in Smash, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade Chronicles tend to get a lot flak from the Smash community? I've just had this feeling the those three series were really unpopular with the community.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So no Little Mac? Rip Dante...

Hey, is it just me, or the JRPG series in Smash, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade Chronicles tend to get a lot flak from the Smash community? I've just had this feeling the those three series were really unpopular with the community.

JRPGs are known for their unique characters, so they are really good candidates for Smash... However it seems to have come to the point where people are tired of the same franchises getting reps... Idk,

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So no Little Mac? Rip Dante...

At least it’s not the version that comes with Donte, so...

 

[Deleted member]

At least it’s not the version that comes with Donte, so...

Thank goodness too. I could tell that leak was fake from a mile away,

 

[Idon]

Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade Chronicles

I think Pokemon's flack comes from the fact that due to its massive influence, characters will get in regardless of fan demand and will almost always be the direct result of The Pokemon Company's pushing.

Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles on the other hand gets flak from people who believe that there are far too many swordsmen with an anime aesthetic.

Of course, it's always good to mention that overtly negative opinions are spoken about more than neutral opinions.

 

[KingofKoopas]

At least it’s not the version that comes with Donte, so...

Ruins the character in just one skin. Plus itd be repeating one of the big mistakes PSASBR made.

 

[Iridium]

I think Pokemon's flack comes from the fact that due to its massive influence, characters will get in regardless of fan demand and will almost always be the direct result of The Pokemon Company's pushing.

Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles on the other hand gets flak from people who believe that there are far too many swordsmen with an anime aesthetic.

Would you say Kirby and Kid Icarus get any flack? I know that some people would hound Sakurai for having "bias" for those series, and I can't help but wonder how the overall community would feel if he added anyone from either. Maybe it's just a few salty people, though.

Knowing that, can we get Magolor as an AT please?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Would you say Kirby and Kid Icarus get any flack? I know that some people would hound Sakurai for having "bias" for those series, and I can't help but wonder how the overall community would feel if he added anyone from either. Maybe it's just a few salty people, though.

Knowing that, can we get Magolor as an AT please?

Even having that would demand huge willingness on Sakurai's part, since he'd rather not touch Kirby characters from other people. I do wonder what he thinks of Shirakura throwing caution to the wind and practically putting everyone that's notable in Star Allies.

Ruins the character in just one skin. Plus itd be repeating one of the big mistakes PSASBR made.

It would be hilarious if this game got the genuine article version of Dante, would make PSASBR seem even more like a bootleg.

It's too bad Isabelle doesn't do any rapping, though.

 

[T3Z3R1]

At least it’s not the version that comes with Donte, so...

At least, we don't want donte in sm-

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/433667198

>Same leaker? that leaked many infos about DMCV is back and he claims that DmC version of Dante is in smash as alt costume for Dante.

WHY. When I thought that we're finally out of the forest that is Donte, and now we're ****ing back in the forest again?

Be right back, guy. I'm going to be in my corner for a few minutes.

?= I don't know if it was same leaker that leaked more about DMCV or not.

 

[Luigifan18]

Hey, so quick question for everyone. Would you guys be okay if I did a series of my own where I pitch characters for Smash along with a moveset I made here in the General Forum, or does that kind of content deserve it's own thread or something?

I tried that back in Smash 4. It didn't go over well.

 

[CosmicQuark]

The problem I have with Dante, despite wanting the character, is that there'd be an imbalance when it comes to third party characters with Capcom having three unique characters, while the rest of the companies having two or even one. And given there probably won't be too many third party characters in the base (Brawl and 4 had two each) I would prefer either Square or Bandai Namco getting another character, or a new company like Microsoft, Activision or Ubisoft. And especially given the new Devil May Cry game being announced, it would make more sense as a DLC character.

That having been said, Konami had an assist announced at E3, followed by a newcomer in the next Direct. With Rathalos in the August Direct, it would make sense if that were a pattern (I don't think that pattern means something, but it could be owed to companies having multiple characters as newcomers and assists but not wanting to overload any one Direct with one company). I would love Dante in, personally though, especially for my friend who would go ****ing nuts (as he did with Snake).

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Ruins the character in just one skin. Plus itd be repeating one of the big mistakes PSASBR made.

At least it’s not the version that comes with Donte, so...

Idk, I kinda lowkey wanted Donte, just so we can have a character who was in both Super Smash Bros., and Playstation All Stars.
Either him or Heihachi
I'll just take Heihachi...
Also, we keep hating on PSASBR and for good reasons, even though it probably has the greatest theme music ever for a game.


Also,

Spoiler: Fake Leak

No effort... Try harder, leakers

 

[Idon]

Would you say Kirby and Kid Icarus get any flack? I know that some people would hound Sakurai for having "bias" for those series, and I can't help but wonder how the overall community would feel if he added anyone from either. Maybe it's just a few salty people, though.

Knowing that, can we get Magolor as an AT please?

Good to note that every franchise will get flak regardless, but the amount increases with what people perceive as "undeserving."

Back when Brawl came out and Kirby had 2 characters, there was a huge amount of backlash. Nowadays, since it's been 10 years since then, multiple Kirby games have been released, and the BWD fanbase has grown larger and larger, and with the fact that Sakurai no longer works with Kirby, the amount of backlash I feel would be greatly reduced.

As for KI:U, yeah, if Sakurai added another unique character from what is basically one 3DS title he worked on 6 years ago, there is definitely going to be accusations of bias flying around.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Thought experiment, What change would be made to a character to utterly ruin them for you even if they get into smash (IE Donte costume).

Also What character being added to smash would utterly ruin the game in your eyes, and for a challenge no non video game characters. Because then everyone would either say Goku or Shrek.

 

[T3Z3R1]

Also,

Spoiler: Fake Leak

No effort... Try harder, leakers

>Ninten mod in Brawl's battlefield.

I'm not fooled by this picture, I can tell what kind of stage this picture was taken on.

 

[Potato_]

At least, we don't want donte in sm-

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/433667198

>Same leaker? that leaked many infos about DMCV is back and he claims that DmC version of Dante is in smash as alt costume for Dante.

WHY. When I thought that we're finally out of the forest that is Donte, and now we're ****ing back in the forest again?

Be right back, guy. I'm going to be in my corner for a few minutes.

?= I don't know if it was same leaker that leaked more about DMCV or not.

Literally nothing about this says its the orignal DMC leaker other than the guy claiming he is, so take this with a grain of salt guys.

Regardless I wouldn't be surprised if we got a Donte skin for Dante, ala Advent Children Cloud or Bayo 1 Bayo.

 

[Deleted member]

The only thing I like about "Daniel" is the moveset he has. That's it. Wouldn't be surprised if he's an alternate skin, but if he's in Smash in any way, I'm making him my punching bag for training.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Thought experiment, What change would be made to a character to utterly ruin them for you even if they get into smash (IE Donte costume).

Morrigan with a MvCI model. This would be the only time that recycling for her would not be funny in the slightest.