Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mellowy Yellow]

Guess we'll find out tomorrow at 12pm EST if this guy is actually legit or just another attention wanting idiot.

 

[praline]

To play Devil's Advocate, Echo Fighters don't seem to count as newcomers as much as extensions of their originals, so Sakurai could be counting only the true newcomers which would bring the count to only twelve.

Sakurai does count exho fighters as newcomers.

 

[Pakky]

Oh no, water and electric are represented by more than one character, the horror.

/s

Muh quartet lol.

What's up with this line of thinking?

 

[AugustusB]

Could you all imagine not having the box theory and then we got this Ken leak?

This would have been a bloodbath in a half, but man we quieted down quick and came to an agreement (at least) that this could be legit.

I can't wait for the next legit leak come out, but its not Incineroar. That will be a treat.

 

[Noipoi]

Guess we'll find out tomorrow at 12pm EST if this guy is actually legit or just another attention wanting idiot.

Oh! This leak has a time limit?
My favorite kind.

 

[DevaAshera]

Brawl's problem wasn't with typing, it was with mashing 3 Pokemon into a single character.

I think it was a great idea, it showcased a major part of Pokémon, forming a party and switching when needed. It's much more interesting then a standalone character is.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Which is how I can be disappointed about Pokemon representation in Smash. Because it SHOULD be.

Smash 4's representation was perfect. Ultimate's screwed it up by bringing back all the ways Melee and Brawl screwed it up before.

jeez. why are you being so negative?

 

[Daedulus]

Brawl's problem wasn't with typing, it was with mashing 3 Pokemon into a single character.
And?

And so you reeeeaaaaallllyy shouldn't be complaining about it.

 

[Noipoi]

Could you all imagine not having the box theory and then we got this Ken leak?

This would have been a bloodbath in a half, but man we quieted down quick and came to an agreement (at least) that this could be legit.

I can't wait for the next legit leak come out, but its not Incineroar. That will be a treat.

Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby.

 

[SvartWolf]

Brawl's problem wasn't with typing, it was with mashing 3 Pokemon into a single character.

but now teh problem have been corrected since switch is no longer a death sentence...

Honestly Pokemon trainer gotta be the returning vet im more excited to retry. and switching pokemons represent pokemon as much as elemental weakness...

 

[Frostwraith]

Brawl's problem wasn't with typing, it was with mashing 3 Pokemon into a single character.
And?

Yes, and that represents an element of Pokémon gameplay that wasn't represented otherwise.

Also, the Pokémon Trainer is the actual main character of the Pokémon games and the switching Pokémon mechanic is part of the core of the Pokémon games' gameplay that wasn't represented in other Smash Bros. games and can't be represented in any other viable way in Smash as it is now.

It's the same thing with Fire Emblem and how Robin actually incorporates FE gameplay elements in the moveset in a way that other FE characters don't.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

The Ken leak is seeming so plausible, that even Source Gaming is covering it...

 

[DarthEnderX]

If we went based on type for Pokémon, we could lose the chance to play as an interesting or popular character simply due to sharing a type with one on the roster.

Or, you could just choose Pokemon that are popular, interesting AND of unique typing. Like Decidueye. It's one of the great things about there being 800+ Pokemon. Is there are picks you can make that meet ALL criteria.

Yes, and that represents an element of Pokémon gameplay that wasn't represented otherwise.

Hey, you know the automap is an element of Metroid gameplay that isn't represented in Smash yet. Maybe they should make a character about that?

And so you reeeeaaaaallllyy shouldn't be complaining about it.

And yet I will.

 

[AzureFlame4]

I think it was a great idea, it showcased a major part of Pokémon, forming a party and switching when needed. It's much more interesting then a standalone character is.

This so much. Having a team and switching out at the right time, or just using your favorite when you want to is Pokemon. The idea of switching out between three was such a good one by the dev team and really represented what Pokemon as a game is. Plus, it made playing as the character you actually play as in Pokemon possible. Arbitrary "we need this kind of representation" is not really a good reason to add or cut characters in Smash because some of the most interesting characters came from things that no one thought we needed representation for.

 

[Deleted member]

Or, you could just choose Pokemon that are popular, interesting AND of unique typing. Like Decidueye.

“Ugh, but we already have a grass type!”

 

[Androobie]

The Ken leak is clearly fake, it’s just a photoshopped Simon. /s

 

[Noipoi]

Or, you could just choose Pokemon that are popular, interesting AND of unique typing. Like Decidueye. It's one of the great things about there being 800+ Pokemon. Is there are picks you can make that meet ALL criteria.

To be fair, Decidueye wasn't popular when the roster was decided. No one knew who Decidueye was.
It's all up to Sakurai and who he liked best, and who knows? Maybe he he saw something special in the big guy!

 

[TriforceBun]

Put me in the camp that loves Pokemon Trainer. He's by far my favorite Pokemon character in Smash and does a great job representing the series' gameplay quirks. I hope our next Pokemon rep (if we get one) is similarly creative, rather than just a regular playable Pokemon.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

To be fair, Decidueye wasn't popular when the roster was decided. No one knew who Decidueye was.
It's all up to Sakurai and who he liked best, and who knows? Maybe he he saw something special in the big guy!
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I Heard that Sakurai is a Cat Person so...

 

[Daedulus]

Or, you could just choose Pokemon that are popular, interesting AND of unique typing. Like Decidueye. It's one of the great things about there being 800+ Pokemon. Is there are picks you can make that meet ALL criteria.
Hey, you know the automap is an element of Metroid gameplay that isn't represented in Smash yet. Maybe they should make a character about that?
And yet I will.

Stop complaining already, we get it that you hate any pokemon rep that you don't like and that other people(and the vast majority ) may like.

 

[Paperchampion23]

God, I know this leak is probably legit at this point, but I hope it points to something more coming through in the near future. Seeing a new character design (Unique character) would have been more fun to discuss over Ken. No issues with Ken its just the nature of his character and him being a echo.

 

[DarthEnderX]

but now teh problem have been corrected since switch is no longer a death sentence...

It still has the same problems other transforming characters had though of A. Using the characters full moveset is double/triple the amount of work. B. If you only like using one form, you have a more limited moveset than a normal character.

Zero Suit Samus and Shiek didn't get merged back together with their base characters in Ultimate, so I'm not sure why Squirtle and Ivysaur got merged back into Charizard. I mean, ****, they even gave each of the Pokemon a different Smash number, even though they're all the same character now.

To be fair, Decidueye wasn't popular when the roster was decided.

Neither was Incineroar, but that's still probably who we're getting.

Stop complaining already, we get it that you hate any pokemon rep that you don't like and that other people(and the vast majority ) may like.

If that's what you "got" then you missed literally every point I stated.

 

[Pakky]

Or, you could just choose Pokemon that are popular, interesting AND of unique typing. Like Decidueye.

Okay real talk because this is exhausting now.

How is the owl functionally different from or better than or

We have a template in Pokken and from what I've played, it's not that interesting.

Like I get disappointment but this is teetering into nonsense.

What does being a ghost bring to the table? What character does it have?


Its design is dank I get that but, what else is there?

 

[Deleted member]

Or, you could just choose Pokemon that are popular, interesting AND of unique typing. Like Decidueye.

Actually, Incineroar as Fire/Dark is more unique than Decidueye. Grass/Ghost has 4 different lines with that typing while Fire/Dark is just Incineroar itself, Houndour, and Houndoom; so only 3 pokemon compared to Phantump, Trevenant, Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist, Decidueye, and Dhelmise. Grass/Ghost has literally double the number of Fire/Dark pokemon.

 

[Noipoi]

Neither was Incineroar, but that's still probably who we're getting.

Exactly. No Alola Pokemon was popular because no one knew who they were. It all depended on Sakurai saw the most potential in.
Maybe he saw that potential in Incineroar.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay real talk because this is exhausting now.

How is the owl functionally different from or better than or

We have a template in Pokken and from what I've played, he's not that interesting.

Like I get disappointment but this is teetering into nonsense.

What does being a ghost bring to the table? What character does it have?

Decidueye’s a bad choice because Ivysaur already represents grass. That’s all there is to it.

 

[Noipoi]

Decidueye’s a bad choice because Ivysaur already represents grass. That’s all there is to it.

Dump Squirtle too, we already have Greninja.
And dump Jigglypuf, we already have pink characters.
And Dump Lucario while you're at it, we already have characters who fight.
/s

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I will say Ken is one of the best choices for an echo character, as that's basically how he started. Being the cool alternative to Ryu without losing out on Hadokens and Shroyukens. I prefer his personality over Ryu's as well so that helps.

 

[NextChannelGames]

I think best next Pokémon rep should be either Rival, Evil Team like Team Rocket or Champion. Would be pretty awesome.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Actually, Incineroar as Fire/Dark is more unique than Decidueye. Grass/Ghost has 4 different lines with that typing while Fire/Dark is just Incineroar itself, Houndour, and Houndoom; so only 3 pokemon compared to Phantump, Trevenant, Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist, Decidueye, and Dhelmise. Grass/Ghost has literally double the number of Fire/Dark pokemon.

I mean unique to Smash, not unique to Pokemon in general. Smash already has a Fire, and a Dark type. Grass and Ghost would have both been unique to Smash 4's Pokemon, but aren't in Ultimate thanks to Ivysaur returning.

Decidueye’s a bad choice because Ivysaur already represents grass. That’s all there is to it.

Which is why Trainer shouldn't have come back. He brought back transforming characters, and overlapping Pokemon types, both of which the game was better without.

 

[Daedulus]

It still has the same problems other transforming characters had though of A. Using the characters full moveset is double/triple the amount of work. B. If you only like using one form, you have a more limited moveset than a normal character.

Zero Suit Samus and Shiek didn't get merged back together with their base characters in Ultimate, so I'm not sure why Squirtle and Ivysaur got merged back into Charizard. I mean, ****, they even gave each of the Pokemon a different Smash number, even though they're all the same character now.
Neither was Incineroar, but that's still probably who we're getting.
If that's what you "got" then you missed literally every point I stated.

First they aren't the same character, they play differently and have different movesets, they're grouped as 1 character cuz that's their gmmick. Sheik and zero suit never did because they had different movesets and that wasn't their purpose, I did actually read all of points and reallty did sound like whining

 

[Pakky]

Decidueye’s a bad choice because Ivysaur already represents grass. That’s all there is to it.

That's another thing Ivy is also poison but that's not even a thing in Smash, lol.

I guess its 'Suggested' through like the Up Smash( the powder one) but I mean its not doing chip like FANG or something

 

[Deleted member]

I mean unique to Smash, not unique to Pokemon in general. Smash already has a Fire, and a Dark type. Grass and Ghost would have both been unique to Smash 4's Pokemon, but aren't in Ultimate thanks to Ivysaur returning.

I mean, we do have Ivysaur who can stay out the entire time, so we do have a Grass pokemon. If anything, it would just double up on Grass and give us a unique Ghost whereas Incineroar would do the same thing: double up on Fire and give us a unique Dark type.

And if you say Ivysaur doesn't count because he's part of Pokemon trainer, then you're forced to say the same of Charizard, which would mean we have no Grass or fire representation.

 

[kylexv]

That's another thing Ivy is also poison but that's not even a thing in Smash, lol.

I guess is 'Suggested' through like the Up Smash( the powder one) but I mean its not doing chip like FANG or something

Dump Squirtle too, we already have Greninja.
And dump Jigglypuf, we already have pink characters.
And Dump Lucario while you're at it, we already have characters who fight.

r/woosh

The emoji is often used for sarcasm around here

 

[Daedulus]

That's another thing Ivy is also poison but that's not even a thing in Smash, lol.

I guess is 'Suggested' through like the Up Smash( the powder one) but I mean its not doing chip like FANG or something

listen we have grass rep, whether u keep on arguing that I don't care, but what I do care about is that other than decidueye and sceptile who else would fit the bild of grass and be popular enougth

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, we do have Ivysaur who can stay out the entire time, so we do have a Grass pokemon. If anything, it would just double up on Grass and give us a unique Ghost whereas Incineroar would do the same thing: double up on Fire and give us a unique Dark type.

Greninja’s dark type.

Regardless, denying Pokemon based on typing is stupid.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I mean unique to Smash, not unique to Pokemon in general. Smash already has a Fire, and a Dark type. Grass and Ghost would have both been unique to Smash 4's Pokemon, but aren't in Ultimate thanks to Ivysaur returning.

Which is why Trainer shouldn't have come back. He brought back transforming characters, and overlapping Pokemon types, both of which the game was better without.

Are you really going to blame Ivysaur for if Decidueye doesn't get in? How petty can you get?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432422531
Has this leak been confirmed or debunked at this point in time? Cause I'd love it, if it really signifies Phoenix Wright being added to Smash!

 

[Noipoi]

I think best next Pokémon rep should be either Rival, Evil Team like Team Rocket or Champion. Would be pretty awesome.

That would be cool, but according to Sakurai law no Trainers besides are allowed in the game.

 

[TheCJBrine]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432422531
Has this leak been confirmed or debunked at this point in time? Cause I'd love it, if it really signifies Phoenix Wright being added to Smash!

No, but that may not be the original anon who posted it, so Phoenix might not be coming...