Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Over9000BPM]

To be fair, you're right about Square being absolute pricks. We're talking about the same company that'll never re-release Final Fantasy VIII because they want to erase it from history lmao

To be fair I would too if I were them

 

[Paperchampion23]

I could see that being the case. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks.

So, when do people expect the final Direct? I'm placing my bets on one being announced in about 4 or 5 weeks, so around mid-to-late October.

Same, I partially don't see it being in November simply because this game might get leaked in a few weeks, at least the roster seemingly might.

 

[Angelglory]

Moray Towers is free of ink in Inkling's character trailer, so yeah, the stage can be ink free if the devs want it to be.

 

[Potato_]

If Geno gets leaked Sakurai's gonna go nuclear.

Sakurai's going to channel his inner Agent 47 and hunt the leakers down himself.

 

[Noipoi]

I don't like 3 Pokemon being mashed into 1 character. And I don't like Types getting multiple Pokemon while other Types continue to go unrepresented.

It's BS that we're getting another fully evolved Fire starter before getting our first Grass one.

The Pokemon in Smash have never been about types.

It's always been about how iconic they are-
How unique they could be-
How popular/relevant they are-
and how funny it would be if they were in Smash-

 

[Over9000BPM]

I think not.... i can understand why, but yeah, is kinda bull****.


? they did rerelease Final Fantasy VIII on the PC. why they want to delete VIII?

If that’s true I’m gonna be even angrier than I am about Samus, like that was the only thing I was still looking forward to!

 

[Frostwraith]

Assuming this new leak is true, here are some statistics:

12 new unique characters: Inkling, Ridley, Simon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Incineroar, Geno, Rayman, Chorus Kids, Skull Kid, Stanley, Steve
8 new echo fighters: Daisy, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, Ken, Shadow, Octoling, Dixie Kong
Total number of new characters: 20
Total number of characters: 85 (75 unique, 10 echoes)

 

[Michele]

Cannot find the same post so I am not sure if it's already posted.

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432387121

Seems to be leak about Ken. There seem to be some kind of debugging tool so it adds credibility.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Pichu's ears looks weird pretty sure his ear isn't cut off

 

[Deleted member]

? they did rerelease Final Fantasy VIII on the PC. why they want to delete VIII?

They re-released it, but it wasn't the original PS1 code. That code has been lost, so they had to reverse-engineer the entire game from a non-finished version of the PS1 game itself.

It's been practically handled worse than any other Final Fantasy, and not to mention, it had to follow up VII. In addition to that, it was pretty costly to reverse-engineer FFVII, and add on the fact that the company just simply does not have any faith in the IP at all, these additions add up to why it won't get released on consoles like Switch & PS4.

https://twinfinite.net/2018/09/square-enix-final-fantasy-viii/

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

I believe the update post is the same guy as the last guy, because they type the exact same way and it's pretty distinct. I am calling stanley guy made both posts.

Not sure if Ken post is related, but I dont believe so, didn't he want to show us Stanley? He seemed pretty interested in proving to us he was in.

 

[praline]

Assuming this new leak is true, here are some statistics:

12 new unique characters: Inkling, Ridley, Simon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Incineroar, Geno, Rayman, Chorus Kids, Skull Kid, Stanley, Steve
8 new echo fighters: Daisy, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, Ken, Shadow, Octoling, Dixie Kong
Total number of new characters: 20
Total number of characters: 85 (75 unique, 10 echoes)

>“Don’t expect too many new characters”
>Adds 20

Yeah ok.

 

[AzureFlame4]

Could the tower be ink free with hazards turned off?

 

[Deleted member]

>“Don’t expect too many new characters”
>Adds 20

Yeah ok.

That’s Sakurai for you. Next thing you know, the next Smash game is going to have 100+ characters.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Could the tower be ink free with hazards turned off?

Is the ink even hazardous?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Could the tower be ink free with hazards turned off?

Even if it can, a normal player wouldn't have access to hazards turned off from the demo

 

[Deleted member]

Could the tower be ink free with hazards turned off?

I dont think the ink is a hazard on the stage; like it doesnt have the same effect as the inklings' ink....at least as far as I know. Pretty sure it's just an aesthetic for the stage.

 

[AzureFlame4]

Is the ink even hazardous?

I don't know. I really don't know anything about that stage.

 

[Originality]

https://twitter.com/SpookyWoobler/status/1043191277703946242
Not sure if it's been talked about but that guy did get to play Ultimate, really happy for him.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Assuming this new leak is true, here are some statistics:

12 new unique characters: Inkling, Ridley, Simon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Incineroar, Geno, Rayman, Chorus Kids, Skull Kid, Stanley, Steve
8 new echo fighters: Daisy, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, Ken, Shadow, Octoling, Dixie Kong
Total number of new characters: 20
Total number of characters: 85 (75 unique, 10 echoes)

Wait what leak is this? Is it somewhat credible?

 

[Hinata]

>“Don’t expect too many new characters”
>Adds 20

Yeah ok.

20 newcomers in this game would be 1 less than Smash 4 got after all the DLC was released.

 

[Noipoi]

Wait what leak is this? Is it somewhat credible?

The Ken image has a few things going for it.
A little less so for the text leak.

 

[cfX]

Ken might be hella nice ngl

 

[Impa4Smash]

The Ken image has a few things going for it.
A little less so for the text leak.

I know the Ken. Do you have a link for the text leak? Or is it just a typical 4chan “leak”

 

[DarthEnderX]

The Pokemon in Smash have never been about types.

Which is how I can be disappointed about Pokemon representation in Smash. Because it SHOULD be.

Smash 4's representation was perfect. Ultimate's screwed it up by bringing back all the ways Melee and Brawl screwed it up before.

 

[Maxoxpower]

20 newcomers in this game would be 1 less than Smash 4 got after all the DLC was released.

and in my heart..i don't count echo character as full newcomer.

 

[Noipoi]

I know the Ken. Do you have a link for the text leak? Or is it just a typical 4chan “leak”

As far as I know it's just some text, I just found out about it though.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Assuming this new leak is true, here are some statistics:

12 new unique characters: Inkling, Ridley, Simon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Incineroar, Geno, Rayman, Chorus Kids, Skull Kid, Stanley, Steve
8 new echo fighters: Daisy, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, Ken, Shadow, Octoling, Dixie Kong
Total number of new characters: 20
Total number of characters: 85 (75 unique, 10 echoes)

This would actually be the dream. Leaves 15 more characters for that fabled 100 character roster ;D

 

[Red Dead Redeemed]

>“Don’t expect too many new characters”
>Adds 20

Yeah ok.

To play Devil's Advocate, Echo Fighters don't seem to count as newcomers as much as extensions of their originals, so Sakurai could be counting only the true newcomers which would bring the count to only twelve.

 

[Noipoi]

Which is how I can be disappointed about Pokemon representation in Smash. Because it SHOULD be.

Smash 4's representation was perfect. Ultimate's screwed it up by bringing back all the ways Melee and Brawl screwed it up before.

Yeah but...
EVERYONE IS HERE
Isn't that awesome?

 

[Deleted member]

Which is how I can be disappointed about Pokemon representation in Smash. Because it SHOULD be.

Smash 4's representation was perfect. Ultimate's screwed it up by bringing back all the ways Melee and Brawl screwed it up before.

Oh no, water and electric are represented by more than one character, the horror.

/s

 

[Paperchampion23]

Moray Towers is free of ink in Inkling's character trailer, so yeah, the stage can be ink free if the devs want it to be.

It most certainly can but that is quite literally the only instance were we've seen Moray towers without Ink. On top of this, the Ken pic is in a different area on the stage than the Inkling video shows, so its still odd to me that they managed to remove the ink if its fake. This is why it screams real or debug to me.

 

[Frostwraith]

Which is how I can be disappointed about Pokemon representation in Smash. Because it SHOULD be.

Smash 4's representation was perfect. Ultimate's screwed it up by bringing back all the ways Melee and Brawl screwed it up before.

I can understand Pichu (but he's a semi-clone anyway), but what about Brawl that had each Pokémon to be of a different type?

Not that it should matter since gameplay is above everything else.

Right now, we're just doubling on electric and water types, but even so, Greninja doubles as a Dark type while Squritle is pure Water type, which reflects on their movesets with Greninja's Dark type being represented by the ninja-esque moves and moveset style using swords and ninja tools, even if they're made of water, while Squrite feels straightforward in how he uses the water.

 

[Daedulus]

Which is how I can be disappointed about Pokemon representation in Smash. Because it SHOULD be.

Smash 4's representation was perfect. Ultimate's screwed it up by bringing back all the ways Melee and Brawl screwed it up before.

It doesn't matter how many pokemon of different types are in the game, at that point it's personal nit-picking

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

"Game canceled. You all suck."

"Never ask me for anything ever again."

 

[DevaAshera]

Which is how I can be disappointed about Pokemon representation in Smash. Because it SHOULD be.

Smash 4's representation was perfect. Ultimate's screwed it up by bringing back all the ways Melee and Brawl screwed it up before.

Why though? I'd rather not include characters based on arbitrary things like that. Characters should get in based on how popular or interesting they'd be to play, not something arbitrary like type, gender, race, species, villain, etc. Those can be additional reasons, but they should never be the primary reason.
If we went based on type for Pokémon, we could lose the chance to play as an interesting or popular character simply due to sharing a type with one on the roster.

 

[Nap_]

The Ken picture now looks better, but you are not supporting the crappy text leak, right?
It's too much.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Assuming this new leak is true, here are some statistics:

12 new unique characters: Inkling, Ridley, Simon, King K. Rool, Isabelle, Incineroar, Geno, Rayman, Chorus Kids, Skull Kid, Stanley, Steve
8 new echo fighters: Daisy, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, Ken, Shadow, Octoling, Dixie Kong
Total number of new characters: 20
Total number of characters: 85 (75 unique, 10 echoes)

With such a list, I wouldn't even be mad for Steve. In fact, I would secondary Steve with the Banjo Kazooie skin. And its a big deal considering my username and that I have never played Minecraft.
Can't talk for everyone else who would be seething with rage.

 

[Noipoi]

I can understand Pichu (but he's a semi-clone anyway), but what about Brawl that had each Pokémon to be of a different type?

Not that it should matter since gameplay is above everything else.

Right now, we're just doubling on electric and water types, but even so, Greninja doubles as a Dark type while Squritle is pure Water type, which reflects on their movesets woth Greninja's Dark type being represented by the ninja-esque moves and moveset style using swords and ninja tools, even if they're made of water, while Squrite feels straightforward in how he uses the water.

Exactly.
And if Incineroar got in it could represent it's dark typing and personality by using dirty fighting tricks and wrestling moves more than generic fire attacks.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I can understand Pichu (but he's a semi-clone anyway), but what about Brawl that had each Pokémon to be of a different type?

Brawl's problem wasn't with typing, it was with mashing 3 Pokemon into a single character.

It doesn't matter how many pokemon of different types are in the game, at that point it's personal nit-picking

And?