Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

What stage is that supposed to be in the background?

Pretty sure it's Moray Towers
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[Chrono.]

Team cautiously real.

 

[Untouch]

Speaking of leaks...
The theory that new pokemon rep may be the LGPE special pokemon may have been debunked (for the very few people who even believed it).

 

[Pakky]

Smash 4 trophy is just SFIV Ken. The hair and face on this Ken look completely different.


Woomy Land.

Eh yeah you’re right and his eyes aren’t blue.

 

[Deleted member]

Consider the idea that the image could be very small, maybe one part of a larger printed ad, and that the leaker may have taken a photo of that section of the page. This would explain both the low resolution image and the faded colors that seem a bit indicative of a CMYK print.



Imo, I think the lighting actually matches quite well with the lighting on Moray Towers. It's coming from the same direction and has the same soft blue ambient fill light on the shadows.

Spoiler: example

It still looks off to me but if it really is from a magazine, that could explain it
I just wish like he didn't come from SSF4 artstyle but considering how Ryu looks that might be a possibility.

If more images other than this Ken one show up, I'd be inclined to believe it more but for now, it's still just one that looks really off.

 

[Nekoo]

Looks somewhat similar to the SSB4 trophy it’s probably real

I said it earlier but apparently it's not the SSB4 trophy who use a SF4 design nor a Capcom model-
This Ken seems to be designer with his SF III design

 

[pupNapoleon]

Funny you should use THAT image to claim Ken's gi is smoother.

Because....

I might disagree.

What can it be? What does it mean?

 

[DarthEnderX]

They're on her hair tie. There's 2.

Thanks!

 

[osby]

I'm not convinced but I won't discredit the pic just because it looks ugly. *sorry, but looking at you Simon*

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I said it earlier but apparently it's not the SSB4 trophy who use a SF4 design nor a Capcom model-
This Ken seems to be designer with his SF III design

Doesn't Ryu also use His SF III Design?

 

[pupNapoleon]

Speaking of leaks...
The theory that new pokemon rep may be the LGPE special pokemon may have been debunked (for the very few people who even believed it).

What was this theory??

 

[Pakky]

I said it earlier but apparently it's not the SSB4 trophy who use a SF4 design nor a Capcom model-
This Ken seems to be designer with his SF III design

Yeah you’re right yeah I looked too fast

 

[Chrono.]

I kinda wish they leaked anyone other than Ken lol.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I kinda wish they leaked anyone other than Ken lol.

I know right? Imagine If they leaked Steve...

 

[vaanrose]

What can it be? What does it mean?

It means he looks like he's around the correct polygon count. At the very least it means if he's fake that the faker did his homework. A lot of times models in fake leaks look painfully unoptimized.

 

[Untouch]

What was this theory??

Some people believed that the new pokemon rep would be whatever is added to LGPE.

Spoiler

It may have leaked though and does not look like it'd be feasible to add as a fighter at all.

 

[Q-Long]

wheres dan tho

 

[TreeBranch]

Wow that actually looks super real. Too bad it's a character who's already basically confirmed lol

 

[Nekoo]

Doesn't Ryu also use His SF III Design?

Nah Ryu use his SF V design

 

[Deleted member]

It means he looks like he's around the correct polygon count. At the very least it means if he's fake that the faker did his homework. A lot of times models in fake leaks look painfully unoptimized.

Leakers don't actually do their homework, much less for one simple pic

C-could it be happening?

 

[pupNapoleon]

Some people believed that the new pokemon rep would be whatever is added to LGPE.

Spoiler

It may have leaked though and does not look like it'd be feasible to add as a fighter at all.

I still dont understand... "whatever is added to LPGE?"
Meaning that the new Pokemon character would be a character in LPGE?
You speak somewhere between incredibly vague and hinting at a specific character. Which is it?

 

[Captain Fun]

Funny you should use THAT image to claim Ken's gi is smoother.

Because....



I might disagree.

You got me there! I still think the whole thing looks off in a way that is hard to articulate, but I guess we'll see. I don't doubt Ken or think he's unlikely but I'm iffy on this image.

 

[pupNapoleon]

It means he looks like he's around the correct polygon count. At the very least it means if he's fake that the faker did his homework. A lot of times models in fake leaks look painfully unoptimized.

What is gi?
Also, thank you for your insight, once again.
Who was the leaker? The guy who listed Stanley the Bugman the other day?

 

[Untouch]

I still dont understand... "whatever is added to LPGE?"
Meaning that the new Pokemon character would be a character in LPGE?
You speak somewhere between incredibly vague and hinting at a specific character. Which is it?

The "special" pokemon they talked about at the end of the LGPE trailer.

 

[pupNapoleon]

The "special" pokemon they talked about at the end of the LGPE trailer.

I guess I'm behind. The last trailer I've seen and can find was with Pikachu herding.

 

[vaanrose]

Leakers don't actually do their homework, much less for one simple pic
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C-could it be happening?

I considered this Ken might have been based on the Smash 4 Ryu (which would make sense, if he was faked). But funny enough, Smash 4 Ryu is actually higher poly than Smash Ultimate Ryu. It seems like some compromises had to be made to get 8 player Smash running on a portable console.

So I find the poly count on this Ken model to be the biggest point in the leak's favor. I think he'd look higher res if he was based on Smash 4's Ryu. Granted, it's a very low resolution image and it's hard to count polygons accurately even in a high res shot, but it looks pretty close to me.

 

[Deleted member]

All I can say about this "Ken leak" is that it isn't real, unless we have some actual video evidence. No singular photos, just straight up video evidence. I've worked with people that've 3D sculpted Old Spice models and even an entire Billy Herrington model that looks insanely too good; people can make really good models, and this can be really convincing, but what matters most is video.

I ain't buying it.

 

[vaanrose]

What is gi?
Also, thank you for your insight, once again.
Who was the leaker? The guy who listed Stanley the Bugman the other day?

A "Gi" is the name of the clothing Ken and Ryu wear. In this case, the most noticeable polygons are on their Gis, so it's easiest to get a good feel for the total poly count by looking at the edges of their clothes.

This image appears to have been dropped randomly on 4chan with no context or attempt to make any other claims.

 

[Nekoo]

All I can say about this "Ken leak" is that it isn't real, unless we have some actual video evidence. No singular photos, just straight up video evidence. I've worked with people that've 3D sculpted Old Spice models and even an entire Billy Herrington model that looks insanely too good; people can make really good models, and this can be really convincing, but what matters most is video.

I ain't buying it.

Not to defend the leak but what matter isn't that the Model is new.
It's the whole deal around it. A video game model ain't always here to be pretty especially with Ultimate who use a custom shading and rendering engine. 90% of fake leaks can't get it right, but supposedly this one match a lot, this is why people are in the gray area on it to the point of Making Push himself react.

 

[Deleted member]

All I can say about this "Ken leak" is that it isn't real, unless we have some actual video evidence. No singular photos, just straight up video evidence. I've worked with people that've 3D sculpted Old Spice models and even an entire Billy Herrington model that looks insanely too good; people can make really good models, and this can be really convincing, but what matters most is video.

I ain't buying it.

Does it count as video if I make a clickbait YouTube video about it?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Does it count as video if I make a clickbait YouTube video about it?

Hate to say it, but LaxChris beat you to it...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

That Ken just looks off-model. It’s kinda ugly.

I doubt leaks on principle, especially now that Smash is doing a good job keeping a lid on things. And if the model matches the poly count of Ryu’s gi, that may suggest where the source was as well...

Not like any of us would be surprised to see Ken, but please pick a better model. That fake Agnés Agnès leak version looked way better.

 

[Untouch]

All I can say about this "Ken leak" is that it isn't real, unless we have some actual video evidence. No singular photos, just straight up video evidence. I've worked with people that've 3D sculpted Old Spice models and even an entire Billy Herrington model that looks insanely too good; people can make really good models, and this can be really convincing, but what matters most is video.

I ain't buying it.

I personally don't think it's real (the lighting on his face looks really odd here), but Ken is such a safe pick at the moment that it doesn't even matter to me.

 

[dezeray112]

So it's been a while since we had a picture leak uh?
Well, here's one from 4chan. Discuss.

Spoiler: Click here

Hmm.....well that's very interesting. Makes me wonder whether there will be any further incoming leaks.

 

[Chrono.]

Hate to say it, but LaxChris beat you to it...

Man this guy put a ****ing obituary on the thumbnail.

That's not how you clickbait, this is like the opposite of that its a click repellent.

 

[Deleted member]

Does it count as video if I make a clickbait YouTube video about it?

You only win if Etika and Alpharad makes a video on it. THEN it counts for clickbait.

Not to defend the leak but what matter isn't that the Model is new.
It's the whole deal around it. A video game model ain't always here to be pretty especially with Ultimate who use a custom shading and rendering engine. 90% of fake leaks can't get it right, but supposedly this one match a lot, this is why people are in the gray area on it to the point of Making Push himself react.

But didn't we have this same predicament when the "supposedly real" Palutena leak came out during Smash 4? That whole fake leak got practically everything right, down to a tee, but it wasn't even Palutena's actual model from Smash 3DS. This stuff has happened before, and unless we get some actual video evidence, this is fake until proven otherwise.

 

[Deleted member]

Hate to say it, but LaxChris beat you to it...

Video evidence. It’s real.

 

[Jak_spoon]

I still think Terry and Slib from Dragon Warrior Monsters would be the best Enid rep. You just have to have a Slime as an ally

 

[Llort A. Ton]

One of the more convincing photo leaks. Reminds me of the Dr Mario level leak. Even if its fake, I gotta feeling its going to be like the fake Palutena leak where the character ends up getting in and looks extremley similar to the fake image anyways.

 

[Nekoo]

But didn't we have this same predicament when the "supposedly real" Palutena leak came out during Smash 4? That whole fake leak got practically everything right, down to a tee, but it wasn't even Palutena's actual model from Smash 3DS. This stuff has happened before, and unless we get some actual video evidence, this is fake until proven otherwise.

That's true. However I'll go as far as to say that Making a Smash Ultimate model with the Moray Tower is probably more difficult than usual. Especially since the Moray stage give a peculiar lighting to Characters.

No one said it's real.

People Dont Say it's fake yet though.


That's the difference.