Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Malkior7]

Never said anything about believing it. I just want the render.

I never said anything about you believing it

 

[TheCJBrine]

Nope, all DLC characters were sold separately.

Well dang; I thought I remembered buying Ryu, Lucas, and Dream Land all together :S

 

[Chrono.]

Nope, all DLC characters were sold separately.

They were but you could still buy them in bundles.

Including an all-characters bundle.

 

[Deleted member]

Well dang; I thought I remembered buying Ryu, Lucas, and Dream Land all together :S

I bought them all at once, but they weren't packaged together. Lucas, Roy, Ryu/Suzaku Castle, and Dream Land were all released on the same day.

 

[Malkior7]

Well dang; I thought I remembered buying Ryu, Lucas, and Dream Land all together :S

They were optional to buy separately but there was a 3DS Bundle a Wii U Bundle and a Bundle that contained all the DLC for both versions

 

[CroonerMike]

I never said anything about you believing it

*puts on sunglasses and dabs*

 

[hposter]

Someone want to help find this shadow render?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-QkFxbUlqc

it's fake, it was used in this echo poll held only a little while back
https://imgur.com/a/M12CXY9

 

[Over9000BPM]

I saw one person say he hunches over like that in Super Metroid, but idk if that's true.

Yeah he was surprisingly small in Super Metroid

 

[DarkFalcon]

I saw one person say he hunches over like that in Super Metroid, but idk if that's true.

Ridley almost always has a hunch. Even when flying.

 

[Chrono.]

it's fake, it was used in this echo poll held only a little while back
https://imgur.com/a/M12CXY9

>Isabelle echo 4th place

Oof.

 

[Michele]

I really hope that in Ultimate, you can get DLC for free.
Actually, NSO would be slightly better if getting that service meant that the DLCs you got were free.

I didn't like how you had to pay double if not almost triple the price to get all DLC content.

 

[Deleted member]

They were but you could still buy them in bundles.

Including one where it was just the characters and another one that was just the stages.

This bundle only became a thing when all the characters were out though. When Lucas was released, there was no bundle of him+Ryu.

Regardless, this is kind of a silly thing to argue about...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Let's see what's going--
>there's actual renders of the alts
Okay, someone please tell me, do the Koopalings have any?

Not sure if I've asked this before, but I'm really curios who 'He-who-must-not-be-named' is. Of course, I know no one can tell me, since he can't be named. But I still really want to know. lol

It's not Voldemort, obviously. Here's a clue: he isn't related to video games.

Well, they announced Klaptrap, the new assist trophy of DK in the same streaming as King K. Rool, to tease him... maybe they are saving Duster's assist trophy for a Ninten reveal as a non echo character but as a semi echo like isabelle?

Regardless of how little Mother needs characters, I think people are sleeping on Masked Man.

 

[TheCJBrine]

They were optional to buy separately but there was a 3DS Bundle a Wii U Bundle and a Bundle that contained the DLC for both versions

I'm sure I had the bundle, then; I remember it being one thing including the Mii costumes, Dream Land, Lucas, and Ryu.

In fact, if there wasn't a bundle, I probably would've just gotten Lucas, as Street Fighter doesn't interest me much.

either way...bear and bird for smash

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

it's fake, it was used in this echo poll held only a little while back
https://imgur.com/a/M12CXY9

How on earth did Funky get over Dixie Kong?
I mean, I'm not mad... I'd prefer Funky...

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

Don't most fighting games have characters as DLC that the developers just made up?

I mean, if Mortal Kombat or Killer Instinct can just make up a character for DLC and show them off, why does SMASH specifically have to go for DLC that's not big corporate names?

That's different because a an original IP is free of the constraint of "this character has to exist". There are so many characters in video games, there has to be limits placed on them, and there are expections, especially to the wider auidence of fools more casual fans who are wondering why sakurai chose mach rider over goku or minecraft steve or whoever the hell they want in instead of a quirky fighter. The only possibly quirky fighters are Adeleine (who's relevant again and has a significant fanbase within kirby). and Waluigi (Who hit national news because he wasnt in). When my standards for quirky fighters have gone from smash tradtions of retro fighters and the final non repped big nintendo series in Rhythm Heaven, to a cult kirby character and an assist trophy, you know my hopes are ruined.

I really wish sakurai realized that making both of your bones thrown to the hardcore base being big, evil lizards, is going to alienate some of us who aren't really wanting big, evil lizards personally.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here is something fun.

We have all the victory screens for Inkling and Ridley.

Try to think of victory screens for other newcomers.

Keep in mind that Daisy, Dark Samus, Chrom, K. Rool and Richter all have one splash screen shown already so remember to keep that one.

 

[Chrono.]

How on earth did Funky get over Dixie Kong?
I mean, I'm not mad... I'd prefer Funky...

People would prefer Dixie as an unique character over an echo so she didn't place very high for that reason, I imagine.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If Impa got in, would you like her to have her Ocarina of Time Design or Her Skyward Sword one?

Skyward Sword, definitely. It's the one Impa design and overall role that got me supporting Impa in the first place. Frankly, didn't feel that much for Impa in Ocarina of Time beforehand. Skyward Sword's Impa is also easily the most important overall, and has shown the most combat skills and unique abilities, as well as overall being the strongest one (being Goddess Hylia's handpicken warrior and all). It's also the only 3D Zelda game that hasn't got a character in yet. Soooo... all the more reasons to have her.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Here is something fun.

We have all the victory screens for Inkling and Ridley.

Try to think of victory screens for other newcomers.

Keep in mind that Daisy, Dark Samus, Chrom, K. Rool and Richter all have one splash screen shown already so remember to keep that one.

If Dark Samus does not have her laugh as a victory animation I will be very upset. I don't know why it wasn't a taunt.

 

[Deleted member]

And because the hitbox would be different, they'd potentially need to adjust the move's properties to make sure it flows well since Olimar's ship can deal multiple hits to characters depending on where it hits (basically has a tendency to somewhat drag opponents upwards for a bit).


It's a game with a huge load of content, all of it is planned and every single decision is deliberately taken in consideration for development costs, time and resources.

Balancing characters revolves around making minute decisions, slight adjustments and ensuring there's no underpowered or overpowered move. Even a change like a move dealing 1% more or less than before can make a difference.

In order to follow as closely with the project plan, there's a large amount of planning to ensure they have enough staff working on it. Things can complicate, there are bugs that might take longer to fix, there are development issues that can happen.

There are changes that occur mid-development and that need to be accounted for.

There might be changes in the budget, delays, staff changes mid-development, and many other factors that can't be accounted for during the planning phase.

It's a wild ride. As the director, Sakurai has to manage a large staff, work with different departments in the development, from programmers, designers, animators, sound directors, art directors, music composers, debuggers, legal departments, deal with the demands of the employer, work around potential issues.

It's a lot more complex. They can't simply snap their fingers and make **** happen. Sometimes compromises need to be made in order to have content.

Some characters don't make it into the game. It's easy to say "they should have done this or that" but tell that to the entire development staff behind the behemoth of a game Smash Bros. is, especially Ultimate, but 3DS/Wii U and Brawl were no slouches in that department either.

Is this even difficult to understand? Do you even realize all the work that is put in developing every single feature, every single detail in the game? I don't think you're quite getting it.

This says a lot of things but none of them concern my point which is that Alph is not properly represented, because the animations and FS Olimar has do not fit him, and he could be by simply turning him into an Echo, something characters with just as many differences in their source material have become such as Dark Pit, Lucina and Richter.
I'm not talking about the game's development and I don't get why you're bringing it up.

 

[Opossum]

On the topic of Alternate Costumes that need to happen, one stands above the rest.

Great Lord Chrom.

 

[Frostwraith]

This says a lot of things but none of them concern my point which is that Alph is not properly represented, because the animations and FS Olimar has do not fit him, and he could be by simply turning him into an Echo, something characters with just as many differences in their source material have become such as Dark Pit, Lucina and Richter.
I'm not talking about the game's development and I don't get why you're bringing it up.

You know who else isn't completely well represented precisely because of development quirks? Ganondorf. Enough said.

 

[Chrono.]

On the topic of Alternate Costumes that need to happen, one stands above the rest.

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Great Lord Chrom.

He looks weird with both sleeves.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Uh...isn't Corrin also an avatar character that you get to choose the gender for? Female Corrin's the default in Warriors as well.

Is it? Nevermind then.

Edit: Heh, I had, like, five replies to that post and they all started with "Uh..."

 

[Pakky]

Here is something fun.

We have all the victory screens for Inkling and Ridley.

Try to think of victory screens for other newcomers.

Keep in mind that Daisy, Dark Samus, Chrom, K. Rool and Richter all have one splash screen shown already so remember to keep that one.

puts his hand over his mouth

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Here is something fun.

We have all the victory screens for Inkling and Ridley.

Try to think of victory screens for other newcomers.

Keep in mind that Daisy, Dark Samus, Chrom, K. Rool and Richter all have one splash screen shown already so remember to keep that one.

Cracks his whip, Then turns his back to the screen.

A look of surprise is shown on her face... She's just shocked that she won.

Let's out a roar, Then attacks the cameraman...

 

[Deleted member]

Is it? Nevermind then.

To be fair, whatever version of Fates you described sounds way more interesting than the actual game.

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of Alternate Costumes that need to happen, one stands above the rest.

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Great Lord Chrom.

We need all the promoted versions from FE
Grandmaster Robin, Great Lord Lucina, Nohr Noble Corrin and Pantless Marth.

 

[Opossum]

He looks weird with both sleeves.

He realized there was a time and place for showing off his brand.

 

[Deleted member]

You know who else isn't completely well represented precisely because of development quirks? Ganondorf. Enough said.

Ganondorf is well represented enough, does nothing out-of-character and doesn't have soulless eyes so he's good.

 

[Moydow]

On the topic of Alternate Costumes that need to happen, one stands above the rest.

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Great Lord Chrom.

Only if we can have Risen King Chrom too. :p

https://fireemblemwiki.org/w/images/f/f3/TCGCipher_Chrom_02.png

more seriously though, the more FE content the better, for me

 

[Omega Tyrant]

the vast majoirty of the characters that most people want atm would never be DLC however. People need to actually, you know, BUY the characters. I'm sorry to say this, but Ridley and K Rool are both examples of characters would not have the sales power to justify ever being DLC, they were saved to Ultimate baseline for a reason, everyone has to have them, even if you don't care for metroid (like a lot of japanese fans where the series is less popular) or have no clue on earth what a kay rool is (like a lot of younger fans).

Damn people are still pushing this sort of narrative against Ridley/K. Rool, even after Sakurai acknowledged the demand for the former was so great it got him to change his mind on Ridley's Smash viability, and acknowledged the latter was one of the best performing characters on the Smash Ballot (you know, which was marketed as being for DLC and thus was supposed to indicate who people would buy for DLC) and was why he added K. Rool to the roster?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nope, all DLC characters were sold separately.

Which is why I never bought Cloud, Bayonetta or Ryu :D

 

[Opossum]

Only if we can have Risen King Chrom too.

more seriously though, the more FE content the better, for me

Chrom
Great Lord Chrom
Exalt Chrom
Paladin Chrom
Risen King Chrom
Tokyo Mirage Sessions Chrom
Spring Chrom
Red Enemy Unit Chrom (seen on the website)

Sadly no room for Santa Chrom though. But for real, Chrom has a veritable treasure trove of alternate outfits.

 

[Deleted member]

Which is why I never bought Cloud, Bayonetta or Ryu :D

I can't believe you missed out the best stages in the entire game.

 

[staindgrey]

They were but you could still buy them in bundles.

Including an all-characters bundle.

You know, I'm actually a little upset that the "season pass" discounted bundle happened after all of them were released. Which is totally ass-backwards to think. Stupid games industry.

Most games push their season pass as a preorder despite not telling us what's even in it. Meanwhile, Smash, I don't really care what all the characters end up being, I'm gonna buy them all anyway. Gimme the season pass discount.

*EDIT* It seems this isn't a discount at all. Thanks, math.

 

[Frostwraith]

Ganondorf is well represented enough, does nothing out-of-character and doesn't have soulless eyes so he's good.

Yeah, besides being a clone of a completely unrelated character ever since his debut in Melee and people still dislike his representation in the game.

Sure, adding the sword and further differentiating him from Falcon is obviously a good thing and him being a ridiculously strong heavyweight fighter with dark powers obviously fits Ganondorf.

Keep in mind I wrote an entire article in defense of Ganondorf's (semi-)clone status. But let's not pretend that Ganondorf's moveset couldn't draw more from his games because it could.

Remember when I said gameplay is everything when it comes to characters? That's why Ganondorf's moveset is still a derivative of Falcon's.

And yes, everything about the development of the game will reflect on how the characters are implemented in the game because that's what the game's development is about in the first place.

As I said before, for Alph to be an echo, they'd need to spend development time and resources to make him feel distinct. They chose to focus on developing other echo fighters and other features. In other words, they prioritized other characters over Alph. So yeah, game development is very much a valid reason as to why Alph is the way he is in Smash.

Come the **** on, just admit that you're being purposely obtuse at this point for the sake of arguing with me.

 

[Pakky]

Admittedly i didn't buy but I may try them out now.

Though of the FEs may need some lab time.

Matter of fact who are you all going to work on?

Isabelle is going to be worked on for sure she seems oddly better than in some aspects.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Here is something fun.

We have all the victory screens for Inkling and Ridley.

Try to think of victory screens for other newcomers.

Keep in mind that Daisy, Dark Samus, Chrom, K. Rool and Richter all have one splash screen shown already so remember to keep that one.

One victory pose which contains "Hi, i'm Daisy!"
Something intimidating like the roar in his reveal trailer.
"You don't belong in this world!" with a pose is a must.
Why doesn't Isabelle have her stock icon yet Just have her trip and be embarrassed or something.
Ken Some cocky finishing pose.
Incineroar Some crazy wrestling pose.