Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Rocket Raccoon]

Tails and Shadow one just posted

Yeah, fake from the second I laid my eyes on it.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

[Isaac got a Valkyrie.]
[However, there is no room in the inventory, so Isaac threw the Valkyrie away as far as possible.]

Gee, thanks.

 

[Will]

I said Robotnik.

It's not wrong. His name is simultaneously Robotnik and Eggman.

 

[ZephyrZ]

He said "No cuts from Smash 4", not "EVERY FIGHTER EVER IS BACK", that's big information to miss, and he'd certainly have said that rather than just "snake and ice climbers" are back.

Why does this mean anything again? Not knowing everything isn't the same as knowing nothing.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Anybody thought about the base roster count being an uneven number?

No?

 

[monadoboy]

...I thought everyone BUT spoiler was a robot.

It's a slight stretch, but

Spoiler: x

if she made it, she'd be in her mimeosome

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Vector would be an awesome Sonic newcomer too.

Especially now that K.Rool is in the game.

He could be a K. Rool echo, but the crown is replaced by his headphone, Charmy carries him for his Up B, he shoots out a purple bubblegum instead of a cannonball and he belly bumps his opponent for his counter.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

It may shock you to know this. But "leakers" tend to be people who live off of attention. Once they gain credibility from one true thing (i.e., Soul Calibur), they'll gain a reputation as someone to be trusted, and start making up their own BS about other games - like he has Smash.

He's said multiple times that his smash sources are separate from sources he has for other games. If we were talking in terms other games, you might have a point, but as it stands, he has credible sources when it comes to Smash Bros, and to ignore all the stuff he's gotten right (which so far, is everything for Ultimate) is ridiculous.

 

[Will]

Anybody thought about the base roster count being an uneven number?

No?

I'd only be okay with 69 non-echoes if it was Tingle.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I figured it was like a hate-love scenario. Like Gollum and the Ring.

If a love hate relationship makes you spend a pretty large sum of money, it ain't hate fam

 

[SlickWylde]

That new leak seems pretty low effort tbh. No reason to believe it. (If any of the "non obvious" things happen, then maybe we can talk about it.

 

[Luigi The President]

They did design the box around character count. 72 is the number of spaces. That is what we are saying. The box has 72 listed. That is it. If it was really going to be 75-78, then the box would not be designed the way it is. It would have accommodated for it. And do not say characters on the back of the box. that is where people usually go second after the cover, so those spots would have to be for the biggest names, like sonic and snake on the back of Brawl.

And I have not against Verge. He said SE will happen, but never in what form.

And give me info that does not suggest 2 left. Prove it.

No, he said SE representation would be through a character. So, yep, you're going against Verge.

You're assuming the back of the box would be big names only when nothing really tells you that? Seeing as it's a special edition box, with wide and large sides, the sides would be just as highlighted as the back. They'd basically be equal. So why can't we have some other names there.

I don't have exact proof that there's more than 2 left beyond mostly Vergeben, but you don't have exact proof that there's 2 left beyond, again, mostly Vergeben.

It seems you're acting like the box theory is 100% true and cannot be disproved at all when it's been 3 days since it came to light. Let's take it down a notch is what I'm trying to convey. You can counter a majority of your points, not all of them sure, but a majority. It's really not a fact, though I'm certain you know that.

 

[Michele]

Wait, wait, we're talking about Sonic reps now?

What's going on?

 

[MainJPW]

Vector would be an awesome Sonic newcomer too.

Especially now that K.Rool is in the game.

And he’s technically the oldest Sonic character besides Sonic and Eggman. They just kept redesigning him until they eventually put him in a game in 1995.

The color of death is black. Orange is creativity.

Yeah. I just meant that Tails kills people.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It's not wrong. His name is simultaneously Robotnik and Eggman.

Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, to be precise.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hate to hurt your feelings but I guess I'll repeat it since you apparently didn't get the point.

I don't doubt that he has inside info about some games - the TMNT make that clear - but other games are very likely to be BS. Leakers thrive off of attention, so they're obviously going to throw in BS to stay relevant.

Snake and Ridley are both the stuff of pipedream rosters - but this game is a pipedream, so they happened to be true.

Ice Climbers were obvious.

Isabelle was likely.

He said "No cuts from Smash 4", not "EVERY FIGHTER EVER IS BACK", that's big information to miss, and he'd certainly have said that rather than just "snake and ice climbers" are back.

Simon is the only surprising prediction, and even he's been mooted since Brawl days.

Maybe he is legit, but people need to stop treating him like the Messiah of Smash info - he's nowhere near the level of Gematsu. He's not the be-all, end-all, and people shouldn't automatically hold every theory or new leak against his word.

Speak to them!

His sources could all be outdated for all we know, and he's just straight up ****ing with everyone's mind.

I still don't believe how this guy is entertained such public, alas, I won't be a sheep among the flock.

All guesses he made where incredibly likely after all. He didn't guess King K.Rool right either for example, he had no information about the Echoes outside of Richter- who is still a easy prediction if Snake came back, which he also backed. It's in a way logical to expect Richter in hindsight with Snake's return. Simon Belmont was a given almost because of Snake returning, and Richter happened to be massively popular and important as well.

Can't wait to see his whole theory being debunked and crash upon him.

I didn't believe all "leakers" of Smash 4 either, untill the ESBR leak came with actual damn proof something all these false informants LACK!!

God I hope Sakurai catches up with this and just blows this **** out of the water.

 

[hazza5557]

Where’s this Tails and Shadow leak? Tails is my most wanted newcomer so I need to see this

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

That new leak seems pretty low effort tbh. No reason to believe it. (If any of the "non obvious" things happen, then maybe we can talk about it.

Which leak? The Steve one or the Tails one?

 

[Will]

Yeah. I just meant that Tails kills people.

everybody kills people what you talkin about

Where’s this Tails and Shadow leak? Tails is my most wanted newcomer so I need to see this

You don't need to see disappointment.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Wait, wait, we're talking about Sonic reps now?

What's going on?

A 4chan leak containing both Shadow and Tails.

 

[Iridium]

Did I miss anything big?

 

[Chrono.]

Tails and Shadow one just posted

Pretty sure no one believes it, we're moreso discussing that we wouldn't mind it.

Plus it saves us from more box related back and forth

 

[Deleted member]

everybody kills people what you talkin about

But do people die if they are killed?

 

[MSmariosonic]

Speak to them!

His sources could all be outdated for all we know, and he's just straight up ****ing with everyone's mind.

I still don't believe how this guy is entertained such public, alas, I won't be a sheep among the flock.

All guesses he made where incredibly likely after all. He didn't guess King K.Rool right either for example, he had no information about the Echoes outside of Richter- who is still a easy prediction if Snake came back, which he also backed. It's in a way logical to expect Richter in hindsight with Snake's return. Simon Belmont was a given almost because of Snake returning, and Richter happened to be massively popular and important as well.

Can't wait to see his whole theory being debunked and crash upon him.

I didn't believe all "leakers" of Smash 4 either, untill the ESBR leak came with actual damn proof something all these false informants LACK!!

God I hope Sakurai catches up with this and just blows this **** out of the water.

to be fair

He leaked Simon before we knew of Snake's return

 

[Michele]

A 4chan leak containing both Shadow and Tails.

Where? I'd like to get the link. I've been bored lately So seeing a 4chan leak such as that might make me laugh!

 

[Aurane]

If a love hate relationship makes you spend a pretty large sum of money, it ain't hate fam

I dunno Gwen. It sounds like its taken you. The need.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

But do people die if they are killed?

Yup, and that's the way it should be.

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Base minimum for sonic imo

Plz more Eggman

 

[Luigi The President]

Speak to them!

His sources could all be outdated for all we know, and he's just straight up ****ing with everyone's mind.

I still don't believe how this guy is entertained such public, alas, I won't be a sheep among the flock.

All guesses he made where incredibly likely after all. He didn't guess King K.Rool right either for example, he had no information about the Echoes outside of Richter- who is still a easy prediction if Snake came back, which he also backed. It's in a way logical to expect Richter in hindsight with Snake's return. Simon Belmont was a given almost because of Snake returning, and Richter happened to be massively popular and important as well.

Can't wait to see his whole theory being debunked and crash upon him.

I didn't believe all "leakers" of Smash 4 either, untill the ESBR leak came with actual damn proof something all these false informants LACK!!

God I hope Sakurai catches up with this and just blows this **** out of the water.

Simon Belmont? A given due to Snake returning?
When he's from the same company as Bomberman?
Yeahhh I don't think so.
"In hindsight" is the key word there.

He didn't guess K. Rool because his sources do not have all the information on the game. This is just silly.
Also, he has information on Ken as an Echo. If Ken AND Incineroar are in the game as he says, I have to ask if you're going to believe him then?

I'm not-we're not-a "sheep among the flock". We have valid reason to believe Vergeben instead of plugging our ears and saying "well in retrospect..."

 

[Jedisupersonic]

It's not wrong. His name is simultaneously Robotnik and Eggman.

Probably one of the best "Western and Japanese names are both right" handling i've ever seen done tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

All I have to say on this matter is that Master Orders better not come back because that mode - alongside pretty much most of Smash Wii U - was utter gutter trash. :^)

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ahahaha... Tails is far from that Dude.
He's a better Spy than Solid snake, before meeting Sonic, at the age of what? 8? He basically destroyed a buch of Duck invating his Island with bombs and ****.

Tails is far from innocent, he's just putting up a mask in front of Sonic

He's 8 years old man. Even as a genius who saves people on the daily. He retains a child like innocence as part of his character and he should.....

Because he's 8 years old.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Where? I'd like to get the link. I've been bored lately So seeing a 4chan leak such as that might make me laugh!

Here, but it is most likely fake

 

[Exalt4747]

All I have to say on this matter is that Master Orders better not come back because that mode - alongside pretty much most of Smash Wii U - was utter gutter trash. :^)

Dudley from Street Fighter confirmed.

 

[Aurane]

But do people die if they are killed?

When speculation gets intense

 

[MSmariosonic]

Has this already been shown?

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1041786368144244736

 

[Exalt4747]

When speculation gets intense

Do Boxes dream of Cardboard Sheep?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

All I have to say on this matter is that Master Orders better not come back because that mode - alongside pretty much most of Smash Wii U - was utter gutter trash. :^)

Side question: Are you saying "Hey all" or "Hey y'all"?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Speak to them!

His sources could all be outdated for all we know, and he's just straight up ****ing with everyone's mind.

I still don't believe how this guy is entertained such public, alas, I won't be a sheep among the flock.

All guesses he made where incredibly likely after all. He didn't guess King K.Rool right either for example, he had no information about the Echoes outside of Richter- who is still a easy prediction if Snake came back, which he also backed. It's in a way logical to expect Richter in hindsight with Snake's return. Simon Belmont was a given almost because of Snake returning, and Richter happened to be massively popular and important as well.

Can't wait to see his whole theory being debunked and crash upon him.

I didn't believe all "leakers" of Smash 4 either, untill the ESBR leak came with actual damn proof something all these false informants LACK!!

God I hope Sakurai catches up with this and just blows this **** out of the water.

Please say sike...

 

[Pyra]

He's 8 years old man. Even as a genius who saves people on the daily. He retains a child like innocence as part of his character and he should.....

Because he's 8 years old.

He's an old man. Still fighting crime at his old age. How brave.