Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[sdpdude9]

I'm betting on 3 more unique newcomers. 2 revealed in a final smash direct and 1 more revealed in a general direct. As far as echoes, I'd guess at most 3.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

That's been my trailer idea for months now lol

Battle Royal as a new stage

Table projectile please.

Now, If his moveset involves chairs and tables, I will be completely on board.

 

[Pyra]

Can we make this a game? Which characters do you play just so that you can spam a move over and over again?

I'm going to indirectly answer this by saying that I really wanted Captain Falcon to have multiple echos so I can have more diverse "Falcon Punch" fights with my goofball friends

 

[Opossum]

But.. Why makes this reference at all, if there's no Isaac in Smash? It wouldn't make sense. Why would he want to kill us on the inside?

Unless he holds a overall grudge against Camelot-created characters, cause Waluigi is one to and he gets this **** all the time. But, with Waluigi it's funny. With Isaac it's straight up pain in the very core of existance.

Zero Suit Samus' classic mode ending in 4 referenced Bayonetta long before she was added as DLC. It's not unheard of for him to reference a non-playable series.

 

[Cosmic77]

Can we make this a game? Which characters do you play just so that you can spam a move over and over again?

Every Dark Pit player who has ever existed knows his side special.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Now, If his moveset involves chairs and tables, I will be completely on board.

I'll mod John Cena over him if this happens.

 

[Deleted member]

Can we make this a game? Which characters do you play just so that you can spam a move over and over again?

Whenever I pick Falcon, all I do is Falcon Punch, my Ness play tends to devolve into PK Flash spam at some point, and with Star, I'll spam any special move or taunt.

 

[AugustusB]

Can we make this a game? Which characters do you play just so that you can spam a move over and over again?

Pikachu and the obvious choice
Ike is always fun with

 

[Pyra]

Tell you guys what:
If Incineroar is included and is ridiculously over the top (like, with furniture as a part of his moveset) then I'm way more okay with it.

 

[Opossum]

Battle Royale as a Boxing Ring alt.

We're getting Echo Stages now.

 

[RandomAce]

The reason why I think we might get a more hype reveal later is because of well...

An upcoming Smash Direct.

There’s a reason why someone like Isabelle was shown in a Nintendo direct. Not only was it because she can connect to a Animal Crossing 2019 teaser, but she is more well known to the bigger crowd that would be watching the Direct for news other than Smash.

Someone like Geno, Isaac, or even Lloyd and Elma are characters that would most likely be featured in a Smash centric direct because those are the characters that the Smash community would get hyped about since they are popular characters and most likely did well on the ballot, maybe not Elma, but the Xenoblade and Smash communities are very close and there are a lot of fans that are fans of both series. And with it being a Smash Direct that Smash fans would most likely be watching, it makes sense to put someone like them in that specific direct to get the hype going, and to eventually reveal them.

This isn’t like any other Smash hype cycle where we have about 1-2 years to spread out information. We only 5 months to do so, so they’re going to be more mindful about when to reveal characters this time.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I gotta say, I'm liking Isabelle's moveset the more I see it.

I expected that, if she'd be unique, Public Works Projects from New Leaf would be a big gimmick of hers. But so far, only the up smash taps onto that potential, and only because it makes one of those projects appears out of thin air, so they really played it safe with her.

But there's a lot of moves we have yet to see and I wanna try to guess them because I like speculating about movesets.

Jab - Boxing gloves like Villager, but is too afraid to actually hit anyone and just flails around with her eyes closed
Ftilt - Toy Hammer we see in one of the screenshots. Much like in New Leaf, it could have very weak knockback, but be really fast
Down tilt - Just copies Villager's by pulling a weed. Could see it be a different color (brown for fall?) to distinguish it

Fair - Slingshot just like Villager. Maybe a difference could be that she can shoot multiple at once in different angles (like the golden slingshot), but have drastically less range because game balance?
Bair - Either the same as the above or a more creative idea; she could look back and perform this emotion, with the lines acting as hitboxes
Uair and Dair - Red turnips. These would work much like Villager's turnips, but without the randomness, making them consistent. Overall power would be similar to Villager having two turnips, though dair could still meteor

Throws - Copies Villager in all of them

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Can we make this a game? Which characters do you play just so that you can spam a move over and over again?

I hold for .

 

[Diddy Kong]

Zero Suit Samus' classic mode ending in 4 referenced Bayonetta long before she was added as DLC. It's not unheard of for him to reference a non-playable series.

How did it? Not familiar with Bayonetta as a game.

Anyhow, funny, because I recall that Sakurai used Zero Suit Samus as a base to create Bayonetta out of.

And I can't find this article anymore however... It also stated Ike was used as a base for Cloud (quite obvious) and Marth was used as a base for Corrin (less obvious).

It's kind of relevant, because Isabelle was also quite obviously build up from Villager's moveset.

 

[Pakky]

Now, If his moveset involves chairs and tables, I will be completely on board.

I honestly don't see why not, got its ninja logs. There are no logs in Pokemon when it comes to moves.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Can we make this a game? Which characters do you play just so that you can spam a move over and over again?

Works Almost every time....
"You're Too Slow"
"Falcon Pawnnch!"
I miss this move so Much...
"Pika!"

 

[Pyra]

Bair - Either the same as the above or a more creative idea; she could look back and perform this emotion, with the lines acting as hitboxes

God do you know how perfect that'd be
People getting knocked away by Isabelle emoting

 

[Deleted member]

Tell you guys what:
If Incineroar is included and is ridiculously over the top (like, with furniture as a part of his moveset) then I'm way more okay with it.

Incineroar's trailer shows Young Link summoning Skull Kid's assist, and Incineroar beats them both back with purple and yellow plastic chairs.

 

[BlueMagician]

Can we make this a game? Which characters do you play just so that you can spam a move over and over again?

The aerial version of Ganon's Wizard Foot. Usually I play Ganon for real but sometimes I just want to bounce people on the stage.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I've seen some people throw around the idea of Incineroar and Ken being revealed in the same trailer

but I don't see that happening.

Yes they are both lit fighters but otherwise Street Fighter and Pokémon have nothing in common.

Lucina/Robin and Richter/Simon at least come from the same franchise.

If Dark samus didn't get revealed with Ridley I don't expect Incineroar and Ken to be together in a trailer.

 

[Pyra]

Incineroar's trailer shows Young Link summoning Skull Kid's assist, and Incineroar beats them both back with purple and yellow plastic chairs.

I am 100% okay with that.
If disconfirmation of my characters means we get a ****posty Pokemon then I'm okay with it.
Without the being over the top he's just kind of a... fire cat wrestler. So I imagine they'd have to do something a bit more anyway.

 

[Opossum]

I gotta say, I'm liking Isabelle's moveset the more I see it.

I expected that, if she'd be unique, Public Works Projects from New Leaf would be a big gimmick of hers. But so far, only the up smash taps onto that potential, and only because it makes one of those projects appears out of thin air, so they really played it safe with her.

But there's a lot of moves we have yet to see and I wanna try to guess them because I like speculating about movesets.

Jab - Boxing gloves like Villager, but is too afraid to actually hit anyone and just flails around with her eyes closed
Ftilt - Toy Hammer we see in one of the screenshots. Much like in New Leaf, it could have very weak knockback, but be really fast
Down tilt - Just copies Villager's by pulling a weed. Could see it be a different color (brown for fall?) to distinguish it

Fair - Slingshot just like Villager. Maybe a difference could be that she can shoot multiple at once in different angles (like the golden slingshot), but have drastically less range because game balance?
Bair - Either the same as the above or a more creative idea; she could look back and perform this emotion, with the lines acting as hitboxes
Uair and Dair - Red turnips. These would work much like Villager's turnips, but without the randomness, making them consistent. Overall power would be similar to Villager having two turnips, though dair could still meteor

Throws - Copies Villager in all of them

I really don't think she'll end up being that derivative. In particular I don't see her keeps the boxing gloves and slingshot.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

God do you know how perfect that'd be
People getting knocked away by Isabelle emoting

Yes, I do. Hence why I suggested it.

I'm actually surprised Sakurai never weaponized emotions yet.

 

[Opossum]

Incineroar and Ken should be in the same trailer for one reason alone.



...You could call it "Pokémon Masters" and have it work for both.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Yes... as a Mii Costume.

oh hello it is i the incinerator from the poking men. give me a hug lice and rock.

 

[Pyra]

Yes, I do. Hence why I suggested it.

I'm actually surprised Sakurai never weaponized emotions yet.

"I just... I just can't hit her. She's obviously distressed, she needs support right now, not to be hit"
The start of Cloud and Isabelle's friendship

Yeah, I kinda hope it happens now

 

[majora_787]

The only reason I touch Wario is for his motorcycle... which I guess is kind of awkward, since he was the first ever newcomer I wanted back... uhh. 14, 15, 16 years ago? Something like that.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I'm actually surprised Sakurai never weaponized emotions yet.

Are you sure about that?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I really don't think she'll end up being that derivative. In particular I don't see her keeps the boxing gloves and slingshot.

Fair enough, I guess...

But what do you expect then?

Maybe a roman candle as her dtilt?

 

[Cosmic77]

I'm kinda hoping Isabelle's Fair and Bair will involve her swinging a clipboard out in front of her.

I don't know why, but I just really want to see a clipboard implemented into her moveset. She is a secretary after all.

 

[Deleted member]

Are you sure about that?

I miss this move so much...

 

[osby]

Works Almost every time....
"You're Too Slow"
"Falcon Pawnnch!"
I miss this move so Much...
"Pika!"

Someday, it will connect...
Smash. It's a laser beam.
"SALUTE THE SUN!" I like that pose in real life, too.
:ultrobinEvery ****ing , especially Elwind. Sakurai was smart to give his tomes limited uses.

 

[yeahmattm8]

"I just... I just can't hit her. She's obviously distressed, she needs support right now, not to be hit"
The start of Cloud and Isabelle's friendship

Yeah, I kinda hope it happens now

Now I want Cloud and Isabelle cut scenes for the new sub space
(if it happens, which it probs won't)

 

[Pyra]

Are you sure about that?

I'm actually physically distressed by the removal of this final smash :/

 

[ErenJager]

Here's some speculation theory crafting.

If you takes verges rumours and you take the box hypothesis and you make them have a baby. Add a bit of Smash 4's DLC history with Nintendo trends, here is what you get:

1) Incinaroar and Ken playable.
These bloaks will probably share a trailer, they both fight and use fire.

2) Square Enix rep? Simple it's Geno.
It'll finish off the last smash direct announcing him as DLC. He'll be free if you buy the online service. Similar to Mewtwo in some sense, free but linked to a promotion. Nimtendo is doing exclusive skins for aces like this so maybe Nintendo will continue the trend.

Thats it and the microsoft content is meaningless content like the ubisoft content in smash 4.

 

[Freduardo]

Uhh, excuse me. But has Ken ever gotten his own game where he got to use guns? I don't think so. /s (Tell me if I'm wrong though.)

You’re actually kind of wrong.

Street Fighter 2010 was an NES game where you played as Ken in a sci fi dystopia.

And he had an arm cannon...

 

[Opossum]

Fair enough, I guess...

But what do you expect then?

Maybe a roman candle as her dtilt?

My personal pick was a Ring Toss down tilt because it seems adorable.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I'm actually physically distressed by the removal of this final smash :/

Just shows how powerful this final smash is

It can even affect people past the screen

 

[Koopaul]

The there is no frequency lol. E3 gave us 2. Then 2 months later August direct gave us 5, then a month later the September direct gave us 1. We could get 10 more character or 2 in the final direct and there's honestly no way to predict it

I mean in terms of unique newcomers.

We never get more than 2 unique fighters shown in each anouncement or direct. And given the time we have left, I suspect one unique character to be shown on his or her own like Isabelle. Maybe in October. And then two to be shown at the final Direct before the game comes out. These new unique characters get a lot of build up and their own trailer. The character trailer is shown at the beginning or at the end of the Direct to give it a proper build up.

The Simon and Richter trailer was shown at the beginning because there was a lot to talk about, they had a new stage, boss, music, echo, and more. K. Rool was shown at the end just like Ridley at E3 because they did not get a new stage or anything more than the new character themself.

So this is purely speculation but I suspect that the unique newcomer shown at the start of the final Direct will have a stage to show off and more. While the character shown at the end will not. As for echoes? They have always been shown off somewhere in the middle of a Direct. The amount of echo fighters could be anything since they aren't tied to a special character trailer. He could just show a bunch.

But the trailer is an important part of my speculation process. Sakurai himself said that these trailers are important and he wants them to really sell these characters, and you really can't just show a trailer out of no where or in the middle of a Direct. It HAS to be at the beginning or at the end or else you'd ruin the build up.

 

[Deleted member]

Street Fighter 2010 was an NES game where you played as Ken in a sci fi dystopia.

And he had an arm cannon...

Maybe we're all wrong about Ken being an echo after all...