Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[itsaxelol]

Clearly you do. Because you are vastly underestimating the work that needs to go into recreating all of the veterans within the Smash 4 engine.

Maybe don't make absolute statements like that about a profession you've never had.

Nothing clearly about it; I don't need to be a video game developer to make that claim lmao

 

[Luigi The President]

All that said...

If Paper Mario turns out playable at any point, then well, the train has ended for me, I am at peace, boys.

 

[Originality]

It's not that I'm upset with the actual characters (this is actually the only game in the entire series that I've liked EVERY new character that's been added).



I'm not saying that Ultimate is a reskin of 4. I never believed that it would be, even prior to the March direct reveal.

I'm just saying that I'm a little disappointed with the number of unique newcomers if the box theory is proven true.



I'm not saying that anything they've added into this game is bad. 103 stage, Squad Strike, Smashdown, Final Smash Meter, Stage Hazard Toggle, and "Everyone is Here" are fantastic. I can't pass judgement on Spirits or DLC since they either haven't been revealed/detailed or confirmed to exist yet. But based solely on characters and the "box theory", 6 unique newcomers is low in my opinion. I respect your opinion and agree with you on everything else, but I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on the 6 newcomers part.

I didn't say you said it was a reskin, the other guy did. Again it's alright to be disappointed in it I just thought the comparison to Melee was unfair

 

[staindgrey]

Nothing clearly about it; I don't need to be a video game developer to make that claim lmao

Oh for sure. That's what an open forum is for. Anyone can make a claim.

Doesn't make it correct. Or even... decently researched.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So I've noticed an interesting trend with the Third party Characters. Companies with Two unique Characters have Their Most Famous franchise represented, and another not as Big Franchise, But That Franchise has some big history With Nintendo Here, Let me Prove it

Konami
Iconic Franchise: Metal Gear (Snake)
Franchise With Nintendo History: Castlevaina (Simon & Richter)

SEGA
Iconic Franchise: Sonic The Hedgehog (Sonic)
Franchise with Nintendo history: Bayonetta (Bayonetta)

Capcom
Iconic Franchise: Street Fighter (Ryu)
Franchise with Nintendo history: Mega Man (Mega Man)

So If that's the case, The Other two Third parties currently have Their Iconic Franchises Represented

SQUARE ENIX
Iconic Franchise: Final Fantasy (Cloud)

Bandai Namco
Iconic Franchise: PAC-MAN (PAC-MAN)

1. Choose A franchise with Nintendo History For Both Square Enix And Namco to be represented in Smash along with the character to represent the franchise...
2. Choose Two Franchises and characters for the follwing Companies (in Spoiler Tab Because This Post is too long)

Spoiler: Big Video Game Companies Currently Not In Smash

Koei Tecmo
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

SNK
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo History:

Ubisoft
Iconic Franchise
Franchise With Nintendo History:

Microsoft Studios
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

Bethesda
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise with Nintendo history:

Electronic Arts (Oh Boy...)
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

Activison Blizzard
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise with Nintendo History:

Wouldn’t Sonic and Street Fighter classify as both?

Anywho

Ubisoft
Iconic: Rayman
Nintendo History: Rayman and Rabbids

Microsoft
Iconic: Halo
Nintendo History: Banjo Kazooie, Minecraft, and other Rare things

 

[Zathura]

Figured I'll give a shot at these
Thoughts on these newcomers?

-Rhythm Heaven character
-Phoenix Wright (with Edgeworth as an echo)
-9-Volt (with 18 as a possible semi)
-Eggman

RH character - Pleeeeeasssseee god it’s literally the one thing I want in this game

The rest - eh

 

[Pakky]

Alright, I've got nothing else to talk about, so
What are everyone's thoughts on:
Skull Kid
Incineroar
Shadow
Mii
Felicia (Fates)
Non-Video game Characters
New Smash GCN Controller (easier to find, etc.)
Special Edition Bundle
Switch Bundle

Skull Kid- I'm game I think he works well.

Incineroar- Yes and it'll be an emotional experience for me, him being the first icon I made.

Shadow- Not a big fan but he makes sense

Mii- apathetic

Felicia (Fates)- A dagger maid? Well, alright? (I want the one from Darkstalkers)

Non-Video game Characters- No, that's a hard no. No Son Goku no Paul Blart, no Luffy ect.

New Smash GCN Controller (easier to find, etc.)- Very good much big!

Special Edition Bundle- Also good

Switch Bundle- Perfect for the holiday season.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Alright, this is an honest question I've been having for a while that I'd appreciate all your opinions on.

How many of you actually want Springman for dlc, and how many of you just expect him?

Personally I feel that if ARMS has to get a rep, there are so many better, more interesting options than Springman that seeing him
put out there all the time is weird to me. Characters like Twintelle, Min Min, Helix, Mechanica and Dr.Coyle are all much more exciting than him.

Spring Man would actually be a pretty neat inclusion.

There will always be a hole in my heart as long as Paper Mario isn't in. I'm aware that's probably selfish, but I don't see why I'm not allowed that, seeing as I also have so much joy and love for this game in my heart, what with K. Rool finally making it, Isabelle, Ridley, it's obviously an amazing, AMAZING game. But I kinda dislike people berating someone for feeling a bit let down at a small amount of unique newcomers. We should be grateful to the Smash team, and I definitely am, but it's also okay to feel a bit disappointed at some elements.

There's being slightly disappointed but still being able to have some self-control and then there is just raging and acting like the roster is bad because "Character X isn't in!" The former is fine, it's the latter that is just embarrassing.

 

[Luigi The President]

Spring Man would actually be a pretty neat inclusion.



There's being slightly disappointed but still being able to have some self-control and then there is just raging and acting like the roster is bad because "Character X isn't in!" The former is fine, it's the latter that is just embarrassing.

I usually see the former, is the thing. The latter is inexcusable and they should be berated. But the former, people usually pounce on them.

 

[SquashiniKun]

Figured I'll give a shot at these
Thoughts on these newcomers?

-Rhythm Heaven character
-Phoenix Wright (with Edgeworth as an echo)
-9-Volt (with 18 as a possible semi)
-Eggman

RH Character: YES, YES, A million times YES!
-Meh, i'd be happy for the people who wanted him.
-A new Warioware character AND a retro character, It's two for the price of one!
-I prefer Tails and Shadow over him, but he'd make for an interesting move set.

 

[StormC]

There will always be a hole in my heart as long as Paper Mario isn't in. I'm aware that's probably selfish, but I don't see why I'm not allowed that, seeing as I also have so much joy and love for this game in my heart, what with K. Rool finally making it, Isabelle, Ridley, it's obviously an amazing, AMAZING game. But I kinda dislike people berating someone for feeling a bit let down at a small amount of unique newcomers. We should be grateful to the Smash team, and I definitely am, but it's also okay to feel a bit disappointed at some elements.

I didn't say one can't be disappointed or whatever, but I do think some people had unrealistic expectations even after Sakurai said, and I quote, "I'm kind of hoping you aren't expecting too many new challengers." As for Paper Mario, I think it's also a matter of expectations. During Smash 4 speculation, I pretty much assumed at some point K. Rool would not be in (even if Kritters briefly gave me hope), despite being my most wanted, but I did think Ridley at least had a good chance, and was disappointed when it didn't come to pass. With this game, I genuinely didn't expect Ridley until the leak, but I felt K. Rool was a realistic hope after the ballot. Getting both blew me away.

So yeah, I do have characters I want that are not as realistic as others (Eggman ain't gonna be in this game), but I temper those with the characters I do want that I feel have a good shot of being in. Maybe I just lucked out that my most wanted this time had realistic odds, I dunno. But when Sakurai said what he said at E3, and then emphasized it again during 8.8... again, it's about realistic expectations.

In the worst-case scenario where there is literally only one reveal left, I agree that the marketing was a misfire and they should have paced it out more. Simon and K. Rool shouldn't have been revealed together. But there's no helping what's already in the game.

 

[Murlough]

There will always be a hole in my heart as long as Paper Mario isn't in. I'm aware that's probably selfish, but I don't see why I'm not allowed that, seeing as I also have so much joy and love for this game in my heart, what with K. Rool finally making it, Isabelle, Ridley, it's obviously an amazing, AMAZING game. But I kinda dislike people berating someone for feeling a bit let down at a small amount of unique newcomers. We should be grateful to the Smash team, and I definitely am, but it's also okay to feel a bit disappointed at some elements.

Just so long as you aren't telling everyone else that your pick should have been in over theirs. People who do that are just.....I don't even know the word I wanna use.

Being disappointed is fine. Getting pissed off at Sakurai or acting like everyone else owes you something isn't.

(Not saying you've done that. You seem alright.)

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I didn't say you said it was a reskin, the other guy did. Again it's alright to be disappointed in it I just thought the comparison to Melee was unfair

Let us also not forget Melee was incredibly broken and glitchy as hell. Sakurai has talked about balancing being at the forefront of his mind and I think a lot of time went into balancing the over 70 characters. That's a lot of balancing...now you can ***** and moan that Nintendo is terrible at balancing and I don't know how to help you with that lol

 

[Luigi The President]

I didn't say one can't be disappointed or whatever, but I do think some people had unrealistic expectations even after Sakurai said, and I quote, "I'm kind of hoping you aren't expecting too many new challengers." As for Paper Mario, I think it's also a matter of expectations. During Smash 4 speculation, I pretty much assumed at some point K. Rool would not be in (even if Kritters briefly gave me hope), despite being my most wanted, but I did think Ridley at least had a good chance, and was disappointed when it didn't come to pass. With this game, I genuinely didn't expect Ridley until the leak, but I felt K. Rool was a realistic hope after the ballot. Getting both blew me away.

So yeah, I do have characters I want that are not as realistic as others (Eggman ain't gonna be in this game), but I temper those with the characters I do want that I feel have a good shot of being in. Maybe it just lucked out that my most wanted this time had realistic odds, I dunno. But when Sakurai said what he said at E3, and then emphasized it again during 8.8... again, it's about realistic expectations.

In the worst-case scenario where there is literally only one reveal left, I agree that the marketing was a misfire and they should have paced it out more. Simon and K. Rool shouldn't have been revealed together. But there's no helping what's already in the game.

Yeah, I'm more astounded by the marketing if this is true. How can you mess up the marketing for SMASH BROS? But...this would be how, unfortunately.
All your other points are totally valid and good.

 

[Starbound]

Alright, this is an honest question I've been having for a while that I'd appreciate all your opinions on.

How many of you actually want Springman for dlc, and how many of you just expect him?

Personally I feel that if ARMS has to get a rep, there are so many better, more interesting options than Springman that seeing him
put out there all the time is weird to me. Characters like Twintelle, Min Min, Helix, Mechanica and Dr.Coyle are all much more exciting than him.

I'd rather have any other ARMs character than Spring Man, but I feel like he's the Ryu of that game so he's the one coming.

That said, Spring Man wold be plenty unique when translated into Smash so he'd stick out better than he does in his own game.

 

[itsaxelol]

Can't believe how many people I upset in this conversation

Smash 4 development time - approx 2 and a half years. Engine and lighting changes just like every single smash game. Development split between two consoles

Smash ultimate - approx 3 years. Engine and lighting changes just like every single smash game. Added more stuff in, but gets the majority of it from smash 4. Development not split between two consoles

But that's not a "decent" argument and I'm not qualified to make these comments since I don't make video games for a living.

C'mon lol

 

[Blargg888]

I can guarantee you that you're not as excited as I am for this game.

No you can't.

Don't assume that your views of how other people feel embody how they truly feel.
It makes you sound incredibly full of yourself.

 

[staindgrey]

Alright, this is an honest question I've been having for a while that I'd appreciate all your opinions on.

How many of you actually want Springman for dlc, and how many of you just expect him?

Personally I feel that if ARMS has to get a rep, there are so many better, more interesting options than Springman that seeing him
put out there all the time is weird to me. Characters like Twintelle, Min Min, Helix, Mechanica and Dr.Coyle are all much more exciting than him.

I'm in the middle, simply because I find Spring Man to be one of my least favorite ARMS designs. But I love ARMS, and really, really hope it gets Smash representation.

I'd personally vote for Min Min and her ramen bowl stage, but I'd take Spring Man if that's what we get.

 

[Luigi The President]

Just so long as you aren't telling everyone else that your pick should have been in over theirs. People who do that are just.....I don't even know the word I wanna use.

Being disappointed is fine. Getting pissed off at Sakurai or acting like everyone else owes you something isn't.

(Not saying you've done that. You seem alright.)

Yeah, I hate those people, and as I said a few posts ago THOSE are the types that should be berated.
The ones I see who are unfairly berated though usually go "this game is absolutely awesome though I wish we just had a few more unique newcomers even if I love this roster already". Can that be seen as a bit selfish? Sure, but not worthy of pages of discussion on why they need to be grateful.
(Thank you. You seem awesome too.)

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

I don't want to sound spoiled or anything, but if the "box theory" is true, the number of unique newcomers (even w/ all the circumstances) seems kinda... small.

Unique Newcomers
Inkling
Ridley
Simon
King K. Rool
Isabelle (who is mostly unique)
A 6th newcomer

NEW Echoes (movesets are heavily based on other characters)
Daisy
Richter
Chrom
Dark Samus
A 5th echo (probably Ken)

Returning Veterans (movesets are mostly kept intact from previous installments)
Ice Climbers
Pichu
Young Link
Snake
Squritle
Ivysaur
Wolf

That's a total of 18 characters up from Smash 4 (I'm counting Squirtle and Ivysaur separately) w/ 12 being based on past movesets. No characters cut. 67% of the increased roster are characters w/ moves we've seen before or they're literally characters we've seen before (just not for a long time).

In comparison the base roster of Smash 4, compared to Brawl, was up 17 characters (counting Miss separately) w/ only 2 being based on past movesets. 5 characters were cut from Brawl (Lucas did come back later). Only 12% of the increased roster are characters w/ moves we've seen before.

It's also good to note that Smash 4 (which was 2 separate games) and Ultimate had a similar amount of development time.

I get that Ultimate's main draw is to honor the series as a whole. But in terms of unique newcomers, 6 seems extremely low; Melee had more unique newcomers and was developed in a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller period of time. Heck, Melee would still have added more clone characters than Ultimate, and their clones we're more unique than the echo fighters we've got now.

Stages are a MUCH bigger offender of this, but I'll save that for a later post.

Now if you told me 6 newcomers post-E3, pre-Smash Direct, I wouldn't be too surprised. But after revealing 2 uniques and 3 echoes in a single direct, many people, including myself, were conditioned to believe that they'll be many more characters (or at the very least more echoes) to be revealed.

If the box theory is true, I honestly don't understand why they decided to reveal all of these characters sooner than later, or spacing them out more evenly. They allowed us to speculate about all of these characters that we expect to make in it, but the remaining roster may be much more limited in reality.

Even Vergeben would be proven wrong, since he still has 3 newcomers he leaked: Ken, a Gen 7 Pokemon, and a Square rep. None of the Smash info he leaked has been debunked and the majority of his Smash leaks have been true.

Again this could all be proven false. It just seems weird to me to go this route if this is true. Unless there's a MAJOR variety of enjoyable modes (not like Smash Tour), including some sort of story. I honestly can't see them going this route. And I hope they don't.

I don't know why you and others expected a lot of newcomers when Sakurai stated to not expect that many and then state in the direct that there's only a FEW more to reveal with a hand gesture. Then K. Rool and Isabelle are revealed making only 2 more characters left much more realistic given every character is coming back.

Snake, Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysuar, Lucas, and Ice Climbers (6 characters) all got eventually cut for Smash4 with Bowser Jr Barely making the roster. 6 characters cut to make room for Smash 4 base roster of newcomers.
I predicted 8 newcomers with Sakurai statement and understanding how tedious and exhausting game making is. Its not Sakurais fault people aren't taking his word at face value and are resulting to conspiracy theories about his statement when he directly told smashers straight up in the Ultimate reveal that newcomers wasn't the focus.

Melee was not in HD (easier to develop) and had bunch of clones / semi-clones in its short development span. You notice big games today take years to make now compared to the 90s etc. FF, Dragon Age, KH III, Smash, GTA, etc.

 

[Idon]

I hope they ACTUALLY WRITE PATCH NOTES this time.

 

[Bladeviper]

Ok I think some of you guys are taking what I said out of context. I can guarantee you that you're not as excited as I am for this game. And I'm not knocking it.

Just that 3 years of development time will not make sense unless there is something big they're not letting us on about. Which would be 1) more characters than they alluded to or 2) a fleshed out story mode

not really, they remodeled everything in ult, from the stages to the characters. that takes time especially when you have over 7 models to do for the characters and at least 103 stages to make.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Alright, I've got nothing else to talk about, so
What are everyone's thoughts on:
Skull Kid
Incineroar
Shadow
Mii
Felicia (Fates)
Non-Video game Characters
New Smash GCN Controller (easier to find, etc.)
Special Edition Bundle
Switch Bundle

Skull Kid - A new Zelda character would be cool.
Incineroar - Not my first pokemon pick, but I'll take it.
Shadow - Eh.
Mii - I loved using these guys in Smash 4 and can't wait to take them online in Ultimate. Hopefully the community doesn't ban them again.
Felicia - Really? I don't hate her, but dagger user or not, the maid fanservice character would absolutely not be my first pick for a new FE rep.
Non-Video game Characters - I doubt we'll ever see any, although there are a couple who I wouldn't mind.
GCN Controller - I'll stick with the pro controller.
Special Edition - It seems cool, but I've already got a perfectly fine pro controller.
Switch Bundle - As cool as it looks, I'm not dropping another 300 dollars I already have a Switch.

 

[Galaxyman]

who do you think is going to be the worst newcomer in ultimate (in terms of teirs)

 

[Luigi The President]

Ok I think some of you guys are taking what I said out of context. I can guarantee you that you're not as excited as I am for this game. And I'm not knocking it.

Just that 3 years of development time will not make sense unless there is something big they're not letting us on about. Which would be 1) more characters than they alluded to or 2) a fleshed out story mode

I can guarantee you that this ain't it, chief, why did you have to throw that into your argument.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So I've noticed an interesting trend with the Third party Characters. Companies with Two unique Characters have Their Most Famous franchise represented, and another not as Big Franchise, But That Franchise has some big history With Nintendo Here, Let me Prove it

Konami
Iconic Franchise: Metal Gear (Snake)
Franchise With Nintendo History: Castlevaina (Simon & Richter)

SEGA
Iconic Franchise: Sonic The Hedgehog (Sonic)
Franchise with Nintendo history: Bayonetta (Bayonetta)

Capcom
Iconic Franchise: Street Fighter (Ryu)
Franchise with Nintendo history: Mega Man (Mega Man)

So If that's the case, The Other two Third parties currently have Their Iconic Franchises Represented

SQUARE ENIX
Iconic Franchise: Final Fantasy (Cloud)

Bandai Namco
Iconic Franchise: PAC-MAN (PAC-MAN)

1. Choose A franchise with Nintendo History For Both Square Enix And Namco to be represented in Smash along with the character to represent the franchise...
2. Choose Two Franchises and characters for the follwing Companies (in Spoiler Tab Because This Post is too long)

Spoiler: Big Video Game Companies Currently Not In Smash

Koei Tecmo
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

SNK
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo History:

Ubisoft
Iconic Franchise
Franchise With Nintendo History:

Microsoft Studios
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

Bethesda
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise with Nintendo history:

Electronic Arts (Oh Boy...)
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

Activison Blizzard
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise with Nintendo History:

1.
SQUARE ENIX
Franchise With Nintendo History: Super Mario RPG (Geno)

Bandai Namco
Franchise With Nintendo History: Tales (Lloyd)

2.
Koei Tecmo
Iconic Franchise: Ninja Gaiden (Ryu Hayabusa)
Franchise With Nintendo history: Fatal Frame (Any Protagonist)

SNK
Iconic Franchise: Samurai Showdown (Mai Shiranu)
Franchise With Nintendo History: Art Of Fighting (Ryo Sakazaki)

Ubisoft
Iconic Franchise: Rayman (Rayman)
Franchise With Nintendo History: Beyond Good And Evil (Jade)

Microsoft Studios
Iconic Franchise: Minecraft (Steve)
Franchise With Nintendo history: Banjo Kazooie (Banjo & Kazooie)

Bethesda
Iconic Franchise: Elder Scrolls (Dragonborn)
Franchise with Nintendo history: Doom (Doom Guy)

Electronic Arts (Oh Boy...)
Iconic Franchise: Sims (Bella Goth)
Franchise With Nintendo history: Zombie (Plants Vs Zombies)

Activison Blizzard
Iconic Franchise: World Of Warcraft (Any Character)
Franchise with Nintendo History: Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)

 

[IGuessItsOver]

I can't believe a cardboard box is killing all the speculation, i'm still clinging to hope for the possibility of seeing Geno and Shantae being in the base roster or DLC at best.

 

[Potato_]

I hope they ACTUALLY WRITE PATCH NOTES this time.

Oh boy this is a HUGE one. No more making the fans have to check EVERY character to find changes please.

Which in my case normally meant checking Smashboards to see what smarter people had found. But the point still stands!

 

[itsaxelol]

No you can't.

Don't assume that your views of how other people feel embody how they truly feel.
It makes you sound incredibly full of yourself.

I requested 7 days off of work after the E3 reveal and was granted them. I told my girlfriend that she will have little to no communication me for that week

On the off chance you're not just trying to sound pious, do you have any quantifiable way to measure your excitement?

 

[Luigi The President]

I don't know why you and others expected a lot of newcomers when Sakurai stated to not expect that many and then state in the direct that there's only a FEW more to reveal with a hand gesture. Then K. Rool and Isabelle are revealed making only 2 more characters left much more realistic given every character is coming back.

Snake, Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysuar, Lucas, and Ice Climbers (6 characters) all got eventually cut for Smash4 with Bowser Jr Barely making the roster. 6 characters cut to make room for Smash 4 base roster of newcomers.
I predicted 8 newcomers with Sakurai statement and understanding how tedious and exhausting game making is. Its not Sakurais fault people aren't taking his word at face value and are resulting to conspiracy theories about his statement when he directly told smashers straight up in the Ultimate reveal that newcomers wasn't the focus.

Melee was not in HD (easier to develop) and had bunch of clones / semi-clones in its short development span. You notice big games today take years to make now compared to the 90s etc. FF, Dragon Age, KH III, Smash, GTA, etc.

I have to ask why I keep seeing this statement of Bowser Jr barely making it into 4? Can you source this?

I requested 7 days off of work after the E3 reveal and was granted them. I told my girlfriend that she will have little to no communication me for that week

On the off chance you're not just trying to sound pious, do you have any quantifiable way to measure your excitement?

Dude. You gotta stop this. We don't all have the opportunity to take a week off work and shut off from our significant others. That doesn't mean we're less excited than you. Just forget this component of your argument on the development time imo.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Figured I'll give a shot at these
Thoughts on these newcomers?

-Rhythm Heaven character
-Phoenix Wright (with Edgeworth as an echo)
-9-Volt (with 18 as a possible semi)
-Eggman

Rhythm Heaven Character = Yes! Yes! Yes!
Phoenix Wright = Sure
9-Volt = Okay
Eggman= Yes

Overall, I would like this

 

[Meritocracy]

I'd rather have any other ARMs character than Spring Man, but I feel like he's the Ryu of that game so he's the one coming.

That said, Spring Man wold be plenty unique when translated into Smash so he'd stick out better than he does in his own game.

Ribbon girl. That is all

Can't believe how many people I upset in this conversation

Smash 4 development time - approx 2 and a half years. Engine and lighting changes just like every single smash game. Development split between two consoles

Smash ultimate - approx 3 years. Engine and lighting changes just like every single smash game. Added more stuff in, but gets the majority of it from smash 4. Development not split between two consoles

But that's not a "decent" argument and I'm not qualified to make these comments since I don't make video games for a living.

C'mon lol

Like I said, you probably could have worded your post better.
It just a reskin of 4, of course they would be STUPID not to take from 4, there was enough from 4 that some people thought it should just be ported and didn't WANT a new one, but calling just a reskin was a mistake.
No hard feeling though

 

[itsaxelol]

I can guarantee you that this ain't it, chief, why did you have to throw that into your argument.

Because that's what my argument is about. I agree. We are getting one or the other and it's not it. I don't buy the box theory.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

So first people make fun of Nintendo for making a ****ty box accessory, and now a box is going to end up killing the hype for one of the most anticipated games of the year. Boxes have really screwed Nintendo over.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

I'm not gonna lie, this box theory has stressed me out to the point where I actually kinda feel sick to my stomach.
Please for the love of god tell me I'm not the only one.

 

[Bladeviper]

So first people make fun of Nintendo for making a ****ty box accessory, and now a box is going to end up killing the hype for one of the most anticipated games of the year. Boxes have really screwed Nintendo over.

the box means nothing until it means something, i kinda doubt nintendo would like it slip like this that there is only 2 new characters left but who knows maybe some one working there is a moron

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm not gonna lie, this box theory has stressed me out to the point where I actually kinda feel sick to my stomach.
Please for the love of god tell me I'm not the only one.

Uhh I think you are. Take a step back man. I get feeling disappointed but...they bought Snake back. They bought everyone back...almost every stage...go drink some water.
And edit this into your other post so you don't get warned for double posting.

 

[Pakky]

Figured I'll give a shot at these
Thoughts on these newcomers?

-Rhythm Heaven character
-Phoenix Wright (with Edgeworth as an echo)
-9-Volt (with 18 as a possible semi)
-Eggman

Rhythm Heaven character- yes !

-Phoenix Wright (with Edgeworth as an echo)- I'm down

-9-Volt (with 18 as a possible semi)-Cool

-Eggman-

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I hope they ACTUALLY WRITE PATCH NOTES this time.

Did they not do this with 4?! I really don't follow the hardcore scene so I never noticed.

Why is Nintendo so backwards in common practices? ARMS had specific patch notes so hopefully SSBU will too.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

I'm not gonna lie, this box theory has stressed me out to the point where I actually kinda feel sick to my stomach.
Please for the love of god tell me I'm not the only one.

Same.
IT'S A ****ING BOX THAT WAS MADE IN PHOTOSHOP, IT'S NOT EVEN MATERIALIZED EXIST YET, WHY ARE WE KILLING OFF EVERY OTHER CHARACTER'S CHANCES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE