Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[BlueMagician]

I also think they'll have a lot of DLC, but if they go that route then would they do an expansion like Splatoon 2 did?

 

[T-Hell]

I just remembered something. On January or February, it's Smash 20th anniversary. What if Sakurai has something especial prepared for us in celebration of that? Like some kind of pack with a bunch of characters or something.

Anyways, I really hope the dlc lifetime of this game is long and good so we can get plenty of characters, stages, and even items or modes. And the best part is, any character would be brand new yes or yes. It's exciting to think.

 

[Originality]

I don't think it's necessarily unfair. Smash ultimate is bigger, yes, but keep in mind melee was ground up in a year and got all that done.

Smash ultimate is, essentially a reskined smash 4; yet they've been working on it for apparently 3 years (when it drops)

After e3, when we saw the game and they said they started it after the jabroni ballot "winner" and there wouldn't be many new characters, I figured the development time went to a fleshed out single player mode. We'll see.

Wait are we still on the reskin thing after all this time? Ultimate was built from the ground up too. https://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-smash-bros-ultimate-interview-brand-new-game-than-wii-u

 

[Galaxyman]

I don't think it's necessarily unfair. Smash ultimate is bigger, yes, but keep in mind melee was ground up in a year and got all that done.

Smash ultimate is, essentially a reskined smash 4; yet they've been working on it for apparently 3 years (when it drops)

After e3, when we saw the game and they said they started it after the jabroni ballot "winner" and there wouldn't be many new characters, I figured the development time went to a fleshed out single player mode. We'll see.

dude, not to be rude, there are 6 new fighters and every character that got cut from brawl and melee is coming back. there are 103 stages, crew battle and iron man modes, chargeable final smashes, the ability to toggle stage hazards, possibly new characters to come, possible dlc, and that mystery spirit mode could even be a story mode! again not to be rude but I disagree.

 

[StormC]

My hope is the DLC development has an actual budget this time and doesn't have to reuse assets for characters like they did for Smash 4. But since the Switch is successful and the Wii U very much was not, I think that will be addressed.

 

[Potato_]

Believe it or not, you ARE allowed to feel a bit saddened at a low number of unique newcomers.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people start throwing the "E" word at him because he feels that way.

Like I said before, I have a feeling the majority of dev time went into Spirits and possibly stage ports. I doubt that porting most of the veterans took much time when a majority of them were clones anyways. Wolf and Snake were the two that probably took the most time out of all of them. Combine this fact with the fact that this game had one of the longest dev times of all Smash games and it was a decent assumption to make that Sakurai was just trying to set our expectations low so he could blow us out of the water, ESPECIALLY after the 8.8 direct.

I'm not entirely convinced by box theory yet, but if we do just get Ken and Incineroar I will be slightly disappointed, but at the very least we have DLC, hopefully coming out early than we expect due to the low amount of newcomers in the base game.

I just hope Sakurai has been looking at recent events and knows who the fanbase is looking at currently, then DLC could be absolutely fantastic.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So I've noticed an interesting trend with the Third party Characters. Companies with Two unique Characters have Their Most Famous franchise represented, and another not as Big Franchise, But That Franchise has some big history With Nintendo Here, Let me Prove it

Konami
Iconic Franchise: Metal Gear (Snake)
Franchise With Nintendo History: Castlevaina (Simon & Richter)

SEGA
Iconic Franchise: Sonic The Hedgehog (Sonic)
Franchise with Nintendo history: Bayonetta (Bayonetta)

Capcom
Iconic Franchise: Street Fighter (Ryu)
Franchise with Nintendo history: Mega Man (Mega Man)

So If that's the case, The Other two Third parties currently have Their Iconic Franchises Represented

SQUARE ENIX
Iconic Franchise: Final Fantasy (Cloud)

Bandai Namco
Iconic Franchise: PAC-MAN (PAC-MAN)

1. Choose A franchise with Nintendo History For Both Square Enix And Namco to be represented in Smash along with the character to represent the franchise...
2. Choose Two Franchises and characters for the follwing Companies (in Spoiler Tab Because This Post is too long)

Spoiler: Big Video Game Companies Currently Not In Smash

Koei Tecmo
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

SNK
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo History:

Ubisoft
Iconic Franchise
Franchise With Nintendo History:

Microsoft Studios
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

Bethesda
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise with Nintendo history:

Electronic Arts (Oh Boy...)
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise With Nintendo history:

Activison Blizzard
Iconic Franchise:
Franchise with Nintendo History:

 

[Bladeviper]

I don't think it's necessarily unfair. Smash ultimate is bigger, yes, but keep in mind melee was ground up in a year and got all that done.

Smash ultimate is, essentially a reskined smash 4; yet they've been working on it for apparently 3 years (when it drops)

After e3, when we saw the game and they said they started it after the jabroni ballot "winner" and there wouldn't be many new characters, I figured the development time went to a fleshed out single player mode. We'll see.

its not a reskin of smash 4, while the number of newcomers is lower they did had to do a ton of work on who they did add, plus all the work getting in nearly twice as many stages along with remaking any of them that were not in hd previously. Add all this to what ever single player and online along with all the balancing due to the new mechanics its still a ton of work regardless

 

[itsaxelol]

dude, not to be rude, there are 6 new fighters and every character that got cut from brawl and melee is coming back. there are 103 stages, crew battle and iron man modes, and that mystery spirit mode could even be a story mode! again not to be rude but I disagree.

None of that, other than story mode, really justifies 3 years of development when they're building on top of smash 4 though

 

[staindgrey]

What are everyone's thoughts on:
New FE Rep
Rex & Pyra
Toon Zelda
New FF Rep

New FE Rep - Totally. Yes. Just not a swordsman.
Rex & Pyra - It's fine. I'd prefer Elma, but sure.
Toon Zelda - Kind of a big disappointment. Zelda has so many character options that aren't Link/Zelda/Ganon.
New FF Rep - No.

 

[Nap_]

Like, this isn't exactly wrong.

But what exactly is the point of doing that for a WIP on a side we can't actually see, you know?

Well, those things works in some kind of 3D software for packaging, or mock-ups in photoshop. You drop the design into those models and you can get some shots of the box, getting several pics from a variety of angles. We don't see the other side, but probably there will be more pics showing other sides, even from the bottom, just for testing. That's how the design works, and they decided to use just this pic for promotional uses. 'Well, two spaces in right side and one in another, we don't got a numer of pics which we can divide by two'.
Sounds odd, I know, the boxart theory is pretty strong and I'm buying it. But as a designer... There's always a lot of work made for nothing.

 

[Chron]

Alright, I've got nothing else to talk about, so
What are everyone's thoughts on:
Skull Kid
Incineroar
Shadow
Mii
Felicia (Fates)
Non-Video game Characters
New Smash GCN Controller (easier to find, etc.)
Special Edition Bundle
Switch Bundle

 

[itsaxelol]

its not a reskin of smash 4, while the number of newcomers is lower they did had to do a ton of work on who they did add, plus all the work getting in nearly twice as many stages along with remaking any of them that were not in hd previously. Add all this to what ever single player and online along with all the balancing due to the new mechanics its still a ton of work regardless

I'm not disputing the work that they're putting into it. I'm excited as **** for this game. But the facts stay the same - the groundwork of the game was done for them already. They built it upon smash 4. They also aren't splitting development teams to build a 3ds version was

 

[staindgrey]

None of that, other than story mode, really justifies 3 years of development when they're building on top of smash 4 though

Please, tell us about your qualifications as a AAA game developer or director.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Alright, I've got nothing else to talk about, so
What are everyone's thoughts on:
Skull Kid
Incineroar
Shadow
Mii
Felicia (Fates)
Non-Video game Characters
New Smash GCN Controller (easier to find, etc.)
Special Edition Bundle
Switch Bundle

My hope for Skull Kid went down as Loz was shown more and more to know nothing

 

[Pakky]

Yeah I legit started to think someone working on that game had... issues. Who’s the real misogynist here? Me, the guy who’d give her an impossible hourglass figure, or the guy that literally wrote it into the script that she gets a tree branch through the kidney every half an hour?

I agree I get she's green or whatever, but why can't she be a goddess amongst men and hogtie a huge alligator in the first 15 minutes of the game?

Only to end off with a gunfight in a chapel of some kind with a mutated leader of a cult over a holy relic.

 

[Luigi The President]

Alright, I've got nothing else to talk about, so
What are everyone's thoughts on:
Skull Kid
Incineroar
Shadow
Mii
Felicia (Fates)
Non-Video game Characters
New Smash GCN Controller (easier to find, etc.)
Special Edition Bundle
Switch Bundle

Skull Kid: Sure, he's funny, I love Majora's Mask. I'd love to see him playable.
Incineroar: I've wanted him since before Vergeben, he's one of my favorite Pokemon. I'll be a bit sad if he's the last unique newcomer but ecstatic if he's even in.
Shadow: Please...I love him. Bring him home.
Mii: Cute and fun addition I've always had a good time with.
Felicia: Thanks for keeping the good word alive. She's the best.
Non-Videogame Characters: No.
GCN Controller: I don't really care since I have 6+ GC controllers
SE Bundle: I want my copy physical.
Switch Bundle: I want my copy physical.

 

[Potato_]

Alright, this is an honest question I've been having for a while that I'd appreciate all your opinions on.

How many of you actually want Springman for dlc, and how many of you just expect him?

Personally I feel that if ARMS has to get a rep, there are so many better, more interesting options than Springman that seeing him
put out there all the time is weird to me. Characters like Twintelle, Min Min, Helix, Mechanica and Dr.Coyle are all much more exciting than him.

 

[Soulsaint]

I don't really get that people say that Isabelle and Incineroar being the last characters is weird, because they wouldn't end with them because they aren't huge. In nintendo's eyes they very much are. Considering the amount of sales each of those franchises have.

Offcourse I hope for more, but I do think they are both important enough to end with

 

[itsaxelol]

Please, tell us about your qualifications as a AAA game developer or director.

This is a very dumb comment. I don't need to be an "AAA game developer or director" to be able to look at standard development times for video games and smash

 

[TheKnight]

What are everyone's thoughts on:
New FE Rep
Rex & Pyra
Toon Zelda
New FF Rep

New FE Rep: Meh. I don't really play FE that much so I really don't care. Just not a sword user please.
Rex & Pyra: Yes! Definitely! I'd like them much more than Elma or others as a new Xenoblade rep.
Toon Zelda: Would be okay... I guess. LOZ's got much greater potential for characters other than variations of Zelda and Link though.
New FF Rep: No thanks. I've never played a FF game, and I know it's a huge franchise, but I feel that a Dragon Quest representative should take priority over another FF one. That or Geno for a second Square rep.

 

[Untouch]

Alright, this is an honest question I've been having for a while that I'd appreciate all your opinions on.

How many of you actually want Springman for dlc, and how many of you just expect him?

Personally I feel that if ARMS has to get a rep, there are so many better, more interesting options than Springman that seeing him
put out there all the time is weird to me. Characters like Twintelle, Min Min, Helix, Mechanica and Dr.Coyle are all much more exciting than him.

Ribbon Girl feels like she would be easier to add a moveset to even though they function relatively similarly.

 

[RandomAce]

Ummm...

So we’re still at the box theory. I see a lot of people keeping their expectations rock bottom when it comes to what the future may prevail.

BUT you guys are treating this as 100% fact when there isn’t enough evidence to support either side of the conversation. There is some evidence that might be support this theory, but there is also some evidence that doesn’t. I’m tired of hearing the same old “Ken and Incineroar are the last ones left!” all the time and people repeating the same points over and over again when there is just a lot of points against it as well, the conversation doesn’t go anywhere at this point.

There’s a reason why I don’t like talking about it
and am not considering believing it, and it’s because of the amount of people that are trying to put words in Verg’s mouth to try to justify it. I keep hearing the same old, the Square Enix character is DLC or probably is duped because we only have one source that specified it... and then put in Incineroar as lock despite being in a similar position and was actually cautioned by Verg himself.

No one knows who the Square Enix AND Pokemon Rep is.

It’s contradictory, I understand the points for Incineroar, but did everyone forget the points Geno has going for him for why Geno is just as likely, scratch that, more likely than Incineroar? They’re both in very similar positions in which you can’t take either out of the equation, and there’s also the chance that Verg can be wrong on any of it and we won’t get Incineroar and get completely different character like Isaac, or someone we thought was dead in the water. Remember Gematsu and what happened after Chrom got disconfirmed by Robin?

I’m getting tired of this whole conversation, we’re not going anywhere with this with this, and it doesn’t help that people are calling out others for not believing it. Are you serious? It’s skepticism, not everyone going to be a sheep and believe everything they hear first hand, and will instead challenge said theory if there is something that seems to off to them.

 

[Luigi The President]

Alright, this is an honest question I've been having for a while that I'd appreciate all your opinions on.

How many of you actually want Springman for dlc, and how many of you just expect him?

Personally I feel that if ARMS has to get a rep, there are so many better, more interesting options than Springman that seeing him
put out there all the time is weird to me. Characters like Twintelle, Min Min, Helix, Mechanica and Dr.Coyle are all much more exciting than him.

He's endearing, so I wouldn't mind him joining the mix, as I really do like the guy.
I'd prefer Twintelle but she's not even the second choice for an ARMS rep. So Spring Man's fine by me.

 

[Meritocracy]

I don't think it's necessarily unfair. Smash ultimate is bigger, yes, but keep in mind melee was ground up in a year and got all that done.

Smash ultimate is, essentially a reskined smash 4; yet they've been working on it for apparently 3 years (when it drops)

After e3, when we saw the game and they said they started it after the jabroni ballot "winner" and there wouldn't be many new characters, I figured the development time went to a fleshed out single player mode. We'll see.

Oh joy, this conversation
Wait, guys, I had to slit a few throats, but I got my hands on a copy of the smash ultimate demo, I promptly found the in my data mine
xXSaKurAiDaGaWdXx: Smash Ultimate is just a port of 4 lol 69
As you can see, smash ultimate is just a port

 

[Originality]

Alright, this is an honest question I've been having for a while that I'd appreciate all your opinions on.

How many of you actually want Springman for dlc, and how many of you just expect him?

Personally I feel that if ARMS has to get a rep, there are so many better, more interesting options than Springman that seeing him
put out there all the time is weird to me. Characters like Twintelle, Min Min, Helix, Mechanica and Dr.Coyle are all much more exciting than him.

I'll absolutely agree that other characters in ARMS are more interesting and cool than Springman, but none of them represent the game as well as he does.

 

[John Dylan Smith]

Ugh, Tom Nook's going to be the next Chrom that gets memed into Smash.

They should instead see about memeing either Dixie Kong or Shadow The Hedgehog into Smash Bros (Those are two perfect echo fighter candidates that more deserving of such a treatment if so)!

 

[SmashChu]

I don't really get that people say that Isabelle and Incineroar being the last characters is weird, because they wouldn't end with them because they aren't huge. In nintendo's eyes they very much are. Considering the amount of sales each of those franchises have.

Offcourse I hope for more, but I do think they are both important enough to end with

Its not unusual. Smash goes in anti-climatic order. What is odd about box is that they have shown a character a month and to go three months with only one character would be odd. But otherwise they get less exciting

 

[staindgrey]

This is a very dumb comment. I don't need to be an "AAA game developer or director" to be able to look at standard development times for video games and smash

Clearly you do. Because you are vastly underestimating the work that needs to go into recreating all of the veterans within the Smash 4 engine.

Maybe don't make absolute statements like that about a profession you've never had.

 

[StormC]

I guess one would be disappointed if your pipe dream big hope character was Isaac or Bandana Dee or something... but not every character can make it in and Sakurai has done a lot more to add fan favorites this go around than he ever did during Smash 4. And before you say anything, Isabelle is a fan favorite and the mascot of one of Nintendo's biggest modern series.

If you aren't sated with K. Ridley Belmont for fanservice, well... I dunno what to tell ya except sorry, better luck next time. I still don't buy into the boxart theory but I said after 8.8 the game could ship as is and it would be the best Smash ever and I'm sticking to that. I got two characters I've wanted for over a decade and every veteran, with over 70 characters period. The real disappointment would be if we truly are only getting four new stages in the base game.

Let's see what Spirits is all about.

 

[Potato_]

Alright, I've got nothing else to talk about, so
What are everyone's thoughts on:
Skull Kid
Incineroar
Shadow
Mii
Felicia (Fates)
Non-Video game Characters
New Smash GCN Controller (easier to find, etc.)
Special Edition Bundle
Switch Bundle

Skull Kid: Yes. Just yes. Whether he's base or DLC I don't care. Bring him in.

Incineroar: Didn't care too much at first but I am warming up to him. I like the idea of a possible grappler character in Smash.

Shadow: Once again, hell yes.

Mii: Don't care in the slightest, but they're cool for the creative people I guess.

Felicia: One of the only Fates characters I actually loved. Wouldn't mind her.

Non-Video Game Characters: I don't really mind as much if they were to make it in, but not more than 1 IMO.

New Smash GCN Controller; Sweet! Glad Nintendo still supports it.

Special Edition Bundle: Looks cool but I probably won't pick it up.

Switch Bundle: See Special Edition.

 

[Galaxyman]

My hope is the DLC development has an actual budget this time and doesn't have to reuse assets for characters like they did for Smash 4. But since the Switch is successful and the Wii U very much was not, I think that will be addressed.

yea i dont want any echoes as dlc. you have UNLIMITED time to work on dlc once the game comes out, i think it would be a fair assumption that they would be able to do without echoes. but to be honest... im fine with all the modes, stages and characters we have as of right now. i would be fine without dlc.

 

[itsaxelol]

Oh joy, this conversation
Wait, guys, I had to slit a few throats, but I got my hands on a copy of the smash ultimate demo, I promptly found the in my data mine
xXSaKurAiDaGaWdXx: Smash Ultimate is just a port of 4 lol 69
As you can see, smash ultimate is just a port

Ok I think some of you guys are taking what I said out of context. I can guarantee you that you're not as excited as I am for this game. And I'm not knocking it.

Just that 3 years of development time will not make sense unless there is something big they're not letting us on about. Which would be 1) more characters than they alluded to or 2) a fleshed out story mode

 

[LetterO]

Figured I'll give a shot at these
Thoughts on these newcomers?

-Rhythm Heaven character
-Phoenix Wright (with Edgeworth as an echo)
-9-Volt (with 18 as a possible semi)
-Eggman

 

[PsySmasher]

It's not that I'm upset with the actual characters (this is actually the only game in the entire series that I've liked EVERY new character that's been added).

Wait are we still on the reskin thing after all this time? Ultimate was built from the ground up too. https://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-smash-bros-ultimate-interview-brand-new-game-than-wii-u

I'm not saying that Ultimate is a reskin of 4. I never believed that it would be, even prior to the March direct reveal.

I'm just saying that I'm a little disappointed with the number of unique newcomers if the box theory is proven true.

dude, not to be rude, there are 6 new fighters and every character that got cut from brawl and melee is coming back. there are 103 stages, crew battle and iron man modes, chargeable final smashes, the ability to toggle stage hazards, possibly new characters to come, possible dlc, and that mystery spirit mode could even be a story mode! again not to be rude but I disagree.

I'm not saying that anything they've added into this game is bad. 103 stage, Squad Strike, Smashdown, Final Smash Meter, Stage Hazard Toggle, and "Everyone is Here" are fantastic. I can't pass judgement on Spirits or DLC since they either haven't been revealed/detailed or confirmed to exist yet. But based solely on characters and the "box theory", 6 unique newcomers is low in my opinion. I respect your opinion and agree with you on everything else, but I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on the 6 newcomers part.

 

[StormC]

Figured I'll give a shot at these
Thoughts on these newcomers?

-Rhythm Heaven character
-Phoenix Wright (with Edgeworth as an echo)
-9-Volt (with 18 as a possible semi)
-Eggman

-Indifferent
-Fan of the series but indifferent to him being in Smash
-Indifferent
-Yes please!

 

[Luigi The President]

I guess one would be disappointed if your pipe dream big hope character was Isaac or Bandana Dee or something... but not every character can make it in and Sakurai has done a lot more to add fan favorites this go around than he ever did during Smash 4. And before you say anything, Isabelle is a fan favorite and the mascot of one of Nintendo's biggest modern series.

If you aren't sated with K. Ridley Belmont for fanservice, well... I dunno what to tell ya except sorry, better luck next time. I still don't buy into the boxart theory but I said after 8.8 the game could ship as is and it would be the best Smash ever and I'm sticking to that. I got two characters I've wanted for over a decade and every veteran, with over 70 characters period. The real disappointment would be if we truly are only getting four new stages in the base game.

Let's see what Spirits is all about.

There will always be a hole in my heart as long as Paper Mario isn't in. I'm aware that's probably selfish, but I don't see why I'm not allowed that, seeing as I also have so much joy and love for this game in my heart, what with K. Rool finally making it, Isabelle, Ridley, it's obviously an amazing, AMAZING game. But I kinda dislike people berating someone for feeling a bit let down at a small amount of unique newcomers. We should be grateful to the Smash team, and I definitely am, but it's also okay to feel a bit disappointed at some elements.

 

[Galaxyman]

this is the last anyone has ever seen of Isabelle before she got ran over at 100 mph by a drunk school bus driver. god bless her soul.

 

[Meritocracy]

Ok I think some of you guys are taking what I said out of context. I can guarantee you that you're not as excited as I am for this game. And I'm not knocking it.

Just that 3 years of development time will not make sense unless there is something big they're not letting us on about. Which would be 1) more characters than they alluded to or 2) a fleshed out story mode

Yeah I understand that, I was really just poking fun at you for wording your post poorly and throwing my hat into the ring opinion wise for the port discussion

 

[Murlough]

None of that, other than story mode, really justifies 3 years of development when they're building on top of smash 4 though

I feel like I'm being baited by responding to this but I'm gonna do it anyways.

Brawl is closer to 4 than Ultimate is. This should be abundantly clear after watching a few minutes of it.

I would argue having over 100 stages and over 70 characters is plenty of reason to justify the 3 years. I don't know how you could argue otherwise without trolling to be honest.

As someone who played Smash 4 for 4 years competitively, holy crap am I so sick of that game. Ultimate looks like a completely fresh breath of air to me. Saying Ultimate is a glorified reskin of Smash 4.....honestly shows that you don't know what you are talking about. I know Smash 4 and that ain't it fam.

EDIT: Just saw last post. Might have misunderstood. If so ignore this.