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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Feels like Paper Mario's been dropped from that pretty expected list by far too many people...
Unlike my experiences witnessing the crowd of Skull Kid and Geno et al supporters in the past, I don't think Paper Mario's ever been super incredibly popular. Relative to the other guys anyway.

I still hold a little hope for the guy.
 

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Unlike my experiences witnessing the crowd of Skull Kid and Geno et al supporters in the past, I don't think Paper Mario's ever been super incredibly popular. Relative to the other guys anyway.

I still hold a little hope for the guy.
Nahh he has. He definitely had more of a presence then Skull Kid, and in some cases, Geno during the Ballot judging from the dozens upon dozens of fan polls I saw. I can dig some up if you'd like.

I'm trying to vanquish all my hope for him. Won't work.
 

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I'd be pretty fine with this outcome. The only thing I'd change is Black Knight. We do not need anymore Fire Emblem characters in this game, especially ones that play identically to another character.
So you'd rather they spend extra resources making a character you don't want unique then to make him a harmless echo / glorified alt?

Where's the logic in that?
 

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Nahh he has. He definitely had more of a presence then Skull Kid, and in some cases, Geno during the Ballot judging from the dozens upon dozens of fan polls I saw. I can dig some up if you'd like.

I'm trying to vanquish all my hope for him. Won't work.
I mean I was a bit (and am) actively part of the Paper Mario and Skull Kid crowds haha
I was just speaking from my perspective back then, but it wouldn't be shocking to me that in the bigger picture it's flipped.
 

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Umm yeah? What's that got to do with anything? They're still using the 3ds designs and goofy tone.
You mentioned the 3DS and then said you preferred it on the Gamecube, was thinking you had 3 confused for 3D. I'll admit it does look a lot brighter than the Gamecube version, but I wouldn't say the original is without it's fair share of goofiness
 

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I mean I was a bit (and am) actively part of the Paper Mario and Skull Kid crowds haha
I was just speaking from my perspective back then, but it wouldn't be shocking to me that in the bigger picture it's flipped.
Honestly I selfishly hope it's flipped.
I hate the whole "deserves it" mentality but...DAMN Paper Mario deserves it.
 

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It could literally just come down to SE saying no.
Like that's all that matters with Geno's inclusion. Not just Sakurai wanting him given he's a third party.
If I'm correct, having the license for a costume doesn't actually equate to having one for a playable character.
Also Sakurai could find a character from the wide breadth of Square Enix franchises to utilize instead. It's not that complicated.

Don't get me wrong, I think Geno is likely. If he doesn't get into the base game, well there's a chance for DLC. But there's a very real possibility of him just straight up not getting in.
That's all true, though about the license, wouldn't it be the same? I'm not really knowledgeable of this stuff, but from what I've gathered, doesn't it just come down to the character and his/her likeness? It'd probably be no different if he was an assist trophy instead.
 
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Are we forgetting the fact that Matt Walker, a producer at Capcom said Dante isn't in?
I'm not saying it's impossible, but i'd sooner trust a Capcom official than a 4chan leak. Even if it got something right.

But that's just me, believe what you'd like.
The leak itself reaks of pure bull****!

As I just looked up the console platforms for the DMC games and not once has a DMC game ever been on a Nintendo console!

Also! Why would Smash Bros Ultimate get three Capcom character's before Square Enix or Namco Bandai got a second third party franchise character (I'll be damned if the 2nd S.E character is Sora from Kingdom Hearts)!

That makes no ****in sense whatsoever!

Also! Calling it now! The next reveals are Ken from Street Fighter and the new fire Polemon!
 

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At this point, I am calling Dixie Kong as a similar semi-clone in the likes of Isabelle, utilizing a mix-and-match of other fighter's moves.
 
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So you'd rather they spend extra resources making a character you don't want unique then to make him a harmless echo / glorified alt?

Where's the logic in that?
Hey man, I'm just saying. Fire Emblem is more than covered in the character department. Any more would be overkill to me. I'd take different echo character over BK, and I say this as someone who likes The Black Knight.
 

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I've heard that Tifa's a pretty popular character from FF. Is she likable and cool?
Lemme tell you dude Tifa has got some great ASSETS to her character, she's got a big PERSONALITY, her backstory is HEAVY





Also her breasts are large
 
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I'd be pretty fine with this outcome. The only thing I'd change is Black Knight. We do not need anymore Fire Emblem characters in this game, especially ones that play identically to another character.
I'd argue that argument 2 of this statement directly contradicts argument 1. Saying FE doesn't need more characters goes off of the assumption that said characters would use up valuable development time that could've been allocated elsewhere. An Echo barely consumes said time and should thus be more welcomed based on that argument. Black Knight would be a great Echo and a long-requested addition. And even if he were in, Fire Emblem would still have only 4 unique fighters, less than or tied with many of the major series.

People need to stop looking at "number of reps" as the be-all end-all of Smash inclusion. Fire Emblem has more characters than any series besides Pokemon, and has 15 games with over 40 characters per game. 8 isn't a lot in that perspective, especially when 1 is a semi-clone and 3 are Echo Fighters.
 

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You mentioned the 3DS and then said you preferred it on the Gamecube, was thinking you had 3 confused for 3D. I'll admit it does look a lot brighter than the Gamecube version, but I wouldn't say the original is without it's fair share of goofiness
Original does have its goody moments. But the difference between Dark Moon and the original is night and day. Original had an open ended exploration feel with portrait ghosts having an interesting dark story and that bogmire battle.

I'm disappointed to see them continue with the 3ds style especially after that awesome Simon Belmont reveal trailer we got

Luigi's mansion works bettrr as a darker game imo.
 
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Mario is already in the game
Link's already in the game. So let's get rid of Toon Link and Young Link.
Samus is already in the game. So let's get rid of Zero Suit Samus and, if you're feeling picky, Dark Samus.
Mario's already in the game. So let's get rid of Dr. Mario.

See how incredibly stupid your logic is? Unless you're joking and I'm just paranoid.
 
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To follow up on my current final prediction of newcomers for Base. How satisfied would you guys be if these were the DLC?

Uniques:
Bandana Dee
Banjo-Kazooie
Isaac
Rex & Pyra
Skull Kid

Echo Fighters:
Black Knight
Dixie Kong
Felix
Medusa
Octoling
I'm gonna have to keep it real with you, chief. This is underwhelming. And here's why. I've explained it before, but I'll re-iterate that Smash 4 had a HIGH calibur DLC line-up, with one exception that we all allowed. Mewtwo, Lucas and Roy were all fan-favorites that people wanted for so long - Mewtwo brought us Etika, people cried when Lucas was revealed, and ROY GOT VENGEANCE!
Aside from that... We got non-stop AAA names.

Ryu from Street Fighter.
Bayonetta from... Well, Bayonetta.
Then... Cloud Strife. From FINAL FANTASY VII. Which before the Wii U passed and Switch lived on, this game had NEVER appeared on a Nintendo console.

If Smash Ultimate were to have DLC, it HAS to keep up the tradition of having some big names, not to mention, you're paying money for them in the first place, too, so this adds even more importance to each character added to the DLC side of things. This is kinda why I feel as if characters like Rex & Pyra or Banjo-Kazooie being DLC would be controversial; like for example, we went from Ryu, Lucas, Mewtwo and Cloud Strife to... Banjo-Kazooie, Rex & Pyra, Spring-Man and Octoling? It doesn't have that WOW factor, that PUNCH to justify the $6.99. Not to mention, people expect a lot of these characters in the base roster anyway.

Ultimate's DLC is gonna be a real rollercoaster, I tell ya.
 
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Original does have its goody moments. But the difference between Dark Moon and the original is night and day. Original had an open ended exploration feel with portrait ghosts having an interestijng dark story and that bogmire battle.

I'm disappointed to see them continue with the 3ds style especially after that awesome Simon Belmont reveal trailer we got

Luigi's mansion works bettrr as a darker game imo.
We still haven't seen much of the game, it could be better than it looks. I'm also hoping for a return to form as I didn't really like Dark Moon's layout either.
 
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Honestly I selfishly hope it's flipped.
I hate the whole "deserves it" mentality but...DAMN Paper Mario deserves it.
I wonder how Paper Mario would set himself apart from Regular Mario though. Not calling you out, just curious as to what could make him different.
 

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So, gimme an update on which characters have had their chances altered. I need it after this talk.
 

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Link's already in the game. So let's get rid of Toon Link and Young Link.
Samus is already in the game. So let's get rid of Zero Suit Samus and, if you're feeling picky, Dark Samus.
Mario's already in the game. So let's get rid of Dr. Mario.

See how incredibly stupid your logic is? Unless you're joking and I'm just paranoid.
Pit and Dark Pit
 

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I'd argue that argument 2 of this statement directly contradicts argument 1. Saying FE doesn't need more characters goes off of the assumption that said characters would use up valuable development time that could've been allocated elsewhere. An Echo barely consumes said time and should thus be more welcomed based on that argument. Black Knight would be a great Echo and a long-requested addition. And even if he were in, Fire Emblem would still have only 4 unique fighters, less than or tied with many of the major series.

People need to stop looking at "number of reps" as the be-all end-all of Smash inclusion. Fire Emblem has more characters than any series besides Pokemon, and has 15 games with over 40 characters per game. 8 isn't a lot in that perspective, especially when 1 is a semi-clone and 3 are Echo Fighters.
As long as LOZ have 3 of the same character counting as their own slots I think other franchises deserve attention more so than FE atm, since they've certainly gotten a lot of love already
 

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, we went from Ryu, Lucas, Mewtwo and Cloud Strife to... Banjo-Kazooie, Rex & Pyra, Spring-Man and Octoling? It doesn't have that WOW factor, that PUNCH to justify the $6.99.
I'm offended. Banjo and Kazooie would be the ****.
 

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Newcomer hype list update time.

"I'm buying a Switch now": :ultchrom:

"These are some hype additions": :ultsimon: :ultisabelle: :ultkrool:

"I like that they're here and think they deserve it but their styles don't click with me/I like Simon more"::ultinkling::ultridley::ultrichter:

"Eh.": :ultdarksamus::ultdaisy:
 

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If Tifa got in Smash she wouldn't be Tifa anymore if you know what I mean
You're saying this when we literally have Bayonetta and even Wii Fit Trainer in the game.
(and I'm not even getting into the ordeal with ZSS, she's still the same regardless.)

Also something to bring up about the ballot, this was conducted in multiple countries and territories. I honestly wouldn't really use fan polls as true evidence for speculation, (especially if they're from SmashBoards, 4Chan, etc.) only because a good chunk of those people are apart of the same, and arguably smaller, demographic. Which in turn would lead to similar results and possibly the same entrants for each one.
It's a nice to see how certain characters poll and what some of the speculative community thinks and wants, so it gives somewhat of a picture.
However, I definitely wouldn't use them as the true basis for speculation.
 
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I wonder how Paper Mario would set himself apart from Regular Mario though. Not calling you out, just curious as to what could make him different.
If done right his entire moveset wouldn't share one single Mario move.
The being 2D thing is a big one. He could also use his hammer, alongside stickers and even his partners. He could also utilize badges. Possibilities are endless with him.
 

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We still haven't seen much of the game, it could be better than it looks. I'm also hoping for a return to form as I didn't really like Dark Moon's layout either.
I know we only got a short glimpse but I think it's enough to extrapolate an opinion. Things aren't always how they appear, but this is Nintendo not a Kojima game what we see is what we get.
 

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I've heard that Tifa's a pretty popular character from FF. Is she likable and cool?
A genuine female lead with a heart of gold, fists of fury, an endearing character, and excellent physical assets. Goes to the depths of hell and beyond to save Cloud. Has a personal score with Sephiroth. Has a begrudging but undramatic rivalry, but also friendship, with Aerith.

Her relationship with Cloud does not define her, but only enhances her character. After the game, she adopts orphaned kids and starts a new business with Cloud to take care of them. She has moments of weakness but is also self-sufficient. She is one of the best-written female leads in any game I've seen.
 
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I'm offended. Banjo and Kazooie would be the ****.
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE Banjo-Kazooie in the roster! But you know what practically everyone is gonna say when the reveal trailer happens?

"This should've already happened."

Ultimate's DLC REALLY has some shoes to fill after 4's DLC, which is why I'm kind of afraid of post-release content for the game.
 
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