Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Rocket Raccoon]

I too never understood the appeal of conjuring up relationships between fictional characters.

NOT ALL OF US CAN GET GIRLFRIENDS, DAD!

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Here's an attempt at a "game"...

Favorite Song in the Entirety of Smash
Favorite Stage in the Entirety of Smash

Song: Pollyanna/I Believe In You (the alt song from Melee's Onett)
Stage: Hyrule Temple

I think I would love Midgar, but I never got to play it much, cause I dropped Smash 4 before Cloud's DLC was a thing. But it really feels like a "me" stage.

Favorite song

Spoiler: Theme of loooove (epic love)

Favorite stage

Spoiler: For X-treme fights only

Big Blue

 

[SmashShadow]

Anyway, glad we all agree K. Rool is gay.

He's married to Klubba and can't change my mind!

 

[DevaAshera]

Just a question but was anybody actually asking to add a a lgbt character just on that alone? Heck, I'd settle for just some good lgbt characters existing in the first place. They're pretty far and few between. Only good one I can think of is Ellie from The Last of Us and that's certainly not getting in Smash.

There's plenty of good LGBT characters in gaming..its just honestly down to people's own opinions on if they are good.

For example, as a Transgirl, I adore Poison from Final Fight and Street Fighter. Sure, she began as a bad girl, but she's more neutral now. I like her since she has no apologies for being Trans and just lives true to herself, dressing and acting how she wants.

I also like Erica from Catherine. She's the most 'real' portrayal of a trans person I've seen in games. Lives as a woman with friends that knew her as a 'guy' and will poke fun of that, but will stand up for her if it's taken too far or from a stranger.

As for wanting someone in Smash based purely on being LGBT, no. I don't want any characters in just to be the token LGBT, token black, etc. Characters should get in based on their own merit, not something mundane like orientation, identity, or race.

 

[Slavic]

Stickerbush Symphony (cliche I know, but I can't help it)
Magicant

ZINITH I AM SHOCKED, I COULD HAVE SWORN YOUR CHOICE WOULD HAVE BEEN FROM

Spoiler

XENOBLADE

as for my favorite song and stage in the game?

Not counting the Xenoblade rips, I'd have to go with Fire Emblem from Melee. That was my absolute jam and a perfect song for combat.

As for my favorite stage I have to go with Onett. I think Melee's stage inspiration is some of the strongest in the series, with a focus on weaving more abstract representations and references for a game rather than flying around direct rips of a location's model.

 

[StormC]

NOT ALL OF US CAN GET GIRLFRIENDS, DAD!

My girlfriend is a Cloud/Aerith shipper

 

[gloop898]

I think with sexuality you can head cannon a lot of that. Like, is Ike gay is he not? You decide*. But with race/ethnicity you can't really headcannon that Mario is black when he's clearly not. I think getting some more representation in that way would be really cool. I think Nintendo themselves are getting a little better with this (Marina, Twintelle, Urbosa). But we've still got a ways to go. Anyway here's hoping Elma gets in, she seems like she'd be really neat.

Edit: *Not to say that LGBT+ representation doesn't matter

 

[StormC]

He's married to Klubba and can't change my mind!

That doesn't bode well for their marriage since Klubba went behind his back in DKC2...

 

[Zinith]

ZINITH I AM SHOCKED, I COULD HAVE SWORN YOUR CHOICE WOULD HAVE BEEN FROM

Spoiler

XENOBLADE

as for my favorite song and stage in the game?

Not counting the Xenoblade rips, I'd have to go with Fire Emblem from Melee. That was my absolute jam and a perfect song for combat.

As for my favorite stage I have to go with Onett. I think Melee's stage inspiration is some of the strongest in the series, with a focus on weaving more abstract representations and references for a game rather than flying around direct rips of a location's model.

Spoiler

Once the Mechonis Field theme gets in and/or a NLA stage does, those will be my top picks

 

[BlondeLombax]

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Now that I have your attention, what's the word on leaks so far? I'm parched, and I've had a long day.​

 

[Slavic]

Spoiler

Once the Mechonis Field theme gets in and/or a NLA stage does, those will be my top picks

I think your desires for the soundtrack are...

Uncontrollable?

 

[xjthegulpin]

Favorite song: Outdoors at 7PM (Animal Crossing)
Favorite Stage: Kalos Pokemon League

Yes, I do like most of the Smashville/ Town and City music pls no h8.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

By the way, save your sanity as there is no way we're getting news until the day before the direct

 

[SmashShadow]

That doesn't bode well for their marriage since Klubba went behind his back in DKC2...

Cause Klubba knew all about him having DK being "tied up" in his airship. He's no fool

 

[Shroob]

By the way, save your sanity as there is no way we're getting news until the day before the direct

I mean, I think that's what everyone's waiting on, to see when this day is coming.

 

[DevaAshera]

Here's an attempt at a "game"...

Favorite Song in the Entirety of Smash
Favorite Stage in the Entirety of Smash

Song: Pollyanna/I Believe In You (the alt song from Melee's Onett)
Stage: Hyrule Temple

I think I would love Midgar, but I never got to play it much, cause I dropped Smash 4 before Cloud's DLC was a thing. But it really feels like a "me" stage.

Song: Hyrule Temple
Stage: Hyrule Temple

 

[Nethermoosen]

Please don't.

What did I do that’s different from anything else going on right now? Genuinely curious.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean, I think that's what everyone's waiting on, to see when this day is coming.

It'll be on wednesday, a week after the initial reveal. Calling it

 

[SmashShadow]

My girlfriend is a Cloud/Aerith shipper

I know approximately next to nothing concerning FF7 outside of what I know of Kingdom Hearts but even I wounld't ship that.

 

[NintendoKnight]

That's pretty cool but even if it shows that Link is indeed Christian he wasn't included in smash because of that. That's the point in trying to make about all this. Smash isn't real life and isn't trying to represent real life which is indeed diverse it's a celebration of iconic Nintendo characters.

That wasn't the point of my showing the picture. (Also, the Christianity part was retconned with Ocarina of Time which established its own mythology and pantheon, which I appreciate much more because they had to create a unique religion and beings that influence the world. Though, the Christian undertones in Skyward Sword aren't counter-productive to said uniqueness.)

Just to state something, I'm a Christian. Do I need representation of that type? Not in the slightest. One of my favorite characters to play is Ganondorf, whom is more closely related with the Devil than anything else. He's kind of the anti-thesis to what I believe. But that isn't why he's in the game and it doesn't effect whether or not I play him.

Honestly, the whole representation in Smash thing needs to die. (Whether it be ideologies or repping certain games or what have you.) Characters rep themselves and nothing else.

 

[StormC]

Was there ever any question?

Only from people who think a bunch of half naked muscular crocodile men hanging out together is straight.

 

[pupNapoleon]

You guys need a distraction
Try playing Doki Doki Literature Club
It's a pretty cute dating sim
And it's free

Can I be gay in the game?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know approximately next to nothing concerning FF7 outside of what I know of Kingdom Hearts but even I wounld't ship that.

I mean, isn't the difference in their sizes an issue? Cloud is 5 foot 8 while Aerith is 6 feet under

 

[DMTN]

Here's an attempt at a "game"...

Favorite Song in the Entirety of Smash
Favorite Stage in the Entirety of Smash

Song: Pollyanna/I Believe In You (the alt song from Melee's Onett)
Stage: Hyrule Temple

I think I would love Midgar, but I never got to play it much, cause I dropped Smash 4 before Cloud's DLC was a thing. But it really feels like a "me" stage.

Favorite song: Multi-Man Melee 1
Favorite stage: Corneria

 

[WaxPython]

Also, the Christianity part was retconned with Ocarina of Time

Different timelines.

 

[Knight Dude]

Again, not too big of a deal to me, but for characters of other races we got Ganondorf I guess. If people mentioning Urbosa counts, I don't see why Ganon wouldn't.

He's one of the cooler Nintendo villains anyway.

That said, again, characters should get in on merit and not brownie points( I personally hate tryhard affirmative action myself). But cool characters can come from anywhere.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Alright it's a touchy subject, but I can't keep quite about it now that it's on my mind. I'm going to go into my thoughts on LGBT "representation".

We don't need homosexual characters just so that homosexuals have someone to relate to. I'm a white, but I'm able to relate to people of color. I'm male, but I'm able to relate to female characters. I'm straight, but I'm able to relate to characters who aren't. I'm human, but I'm able to relate to an animated alien, robot or animal if they're written well enough. Why? Because my color, my gender, and my sexuality are not the entirety of my identity. They're but a small part of it.

The real reason we need LGBT+ representation in fiction because there's this prevailing image that being in one of those groups is "wrong and weird". Or that black people are "scary". Or that men are "tough" and women are "pretty". People need to be exposed to the idea that, no matter what color someone is or what gender they are or what their sexuality is, people are still people.

Now does every book, movie, show or game have to have a token gay character? No, no they don't. But there does need to be enough diversity out there that people get at least some exposure to it. And it's for this reason, it's why I don't think "ambiguous" characters don't cut it - because people can simply ignore it if it makes them uncomfortable.

Now hopefully this post won't make anyone upset, but I'm going to jump behind some form of cover now just to be safe.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

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Now that I have your attention, what's the word on leaks so far? I'm parched, and I've had a long day.​

Besides the regular garbage, nothing.

 

[nintenplayer]

Can I be gay in the game?

I mean, there's literally a character named "lesbian", so

 

[Mutsukki]

I think we're getting a date on Monday for a Tuesday direct

 

[osby]

I know approximately next to nothing concerning FF7 outside of what I know of Kingdom Hearts but even I wounld't ship that.

It's not a bad ship, as long as you ship them both with Zack meanwhile.

 

[NintendoKnight]

Different timelines.

That isn't how that works.

 

[Deleted member]

Just gonna put it out there, there's another vaguely semi-romantic Fire Emblem ending between two characters of the same gender, There's always Lyn x Florina
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And for her, there's no risk of having a hidden descendant retconned in down the line.

So if you want some (possible) LGBT undertones represented in Smash, you know who to push.

What? No, this isn't desperate pandering for more support, pft why whould you think that?

Welp, time to add to the list of reasons why I hate Lyn.

....not because any implications that she's LGBT, let me be clear before there's something blown out of proportion.
But because that will now be unironically used to cram her further down people's throats. :V

 

[Blargg888]

I actually do have a character like me in Smash. Shulk is pretty much exactly me in terms of gender, sexuality, religion, and race. He's also an engineer like me. He even has similar hair color and style...

Anyway, I don't see any harm in others wanting a character they can relate to more.

For the record, Shulk isn’t strictly an anti-theist or aetheist, based on the events of XC.

Spoiler

Remember that at the end of XC, Shulk explicitly states that Zanza’s future and their future could have co-existed, a statement which defies a belief in anti-theism. Alvis also confirms this. And he’s obviously not an aetheist, given the events of XC as a whole. It’s pretty hard to not believe in gods when you literally kill one.

I’m pretty sure there is a term for what Shulk actually is, but I can’t remember it off the top of my head. It’s a pretty specific belief iirc, but there is a term for it.

 

[Mutsukki]

I know approximately next to nothing concerning FF7 outside of what I know of Kingdom Hearts but even I wounld't ship that.

That is quite exactly why you wouldn't ship that.

Don't trust you know FF7 going by what you know of KH. I'm learning that the hard way through my first playthrough of it.

 

[Chrono.]

For the record, Shulk isn’t strictly an anti-theist or aetheist, based on the events of XC.

Spoiler

Remember that at the end of XC, Shulk explicitly states that Zanza’s future and their future could have co-existed, a statement which defies a belief in anti-theism. Alvis also confirms this. And he’s obviously not an aetheist, given the events of XC as a whole. It’s pretty hard to not believe in gods when you literally kill one.

I’m pretty sure there is a term for what Shulk actually is, but I can’t remember it off the top of my head. It’s a pretty specific belief iirc, but there is a term for it.

Agnostic? Probably something else though.

 

[Zinith]

For the record, Shulk isn’t strictly an anti-theist or aetheist, based on the events of XC.

Spoiler

Remember that at the end of XC, Shulk explicitly states that Zanza’s future and their future could have co-existed, a statement which defies a belief in anti-theism. Alvis also confirms this. And he’s obviously not an aetheist, given the events of XC as a whole. It’s pretty hard to not believe in gods when you literally kill one.

I’m pretty sure there is a term for what Shulk actually is, but I can’t remember it off the top of my head. It’s a pretty specific belief iirc, but there is a term for it.

Well, the Xeno games in general loosely implement Nietzsche's writings, so...

 

[Knight Dude]

Here's a challenge, think of an Axe user who's NOT from FE. Who y'all got?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Welp, time to add to the list of reasons why I hate Lyn.

....not because any implications that she's LGBT, let me be clear before there's something blown out of proportion.
But because that will now be unironically used to cram her further down people's throats. :V

I don't think anyone is seriously using that as a reason for Lyn.

That said I getcha.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Here's a challenge, think of an Axe user who's NOT from FE. Who y'all got?

Grom Hellscream