Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[7982Brick]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

 

[Chrono.]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

Saw this coming from a mile away.

No way this was happening.

I expect Guidances will be axed too.

 

[Shroob]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

Sad, but at the same time, understandable.

 

[Zinith]

1. Boshi
2. Mini-Yoshi (Paper Mario)
3. Bandana Yoshi
4. Yoshi with a hat
5. Captured Yoshi (Possesed by Mario)
6. Plessie
7. Dark Yoshi
8. Zero Suit Yoshi
9. Darker Yoshi
10. Boshi but without his sunglasses.

You forgot Yoob

 

[LetterO]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

Damn it, I was really excited for new codecs.

 

[Will]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

This ain't the way, Sakurai.

 

[Hobnail Boot]

Bad News..for me...

Hey, just wanna let you know that there is a Category 4 major hurricane called Hurricane Florance about to hit South Carolina at around Wednsday and Thursday. Before Hurricane Florence about to strike SC and before we evacuate, I wanna tell you everyone thank you for showing thoughts and prayers to the Major Earthquake disaster from Japan. Hopefully, you will also recieve support too for many people stuck in this difficult issue. I will pray that my house is will be kept safe and so were the other innocent people.

If I have enough luck, I hope the Direct is shown right before Wednsday and Thursday...But that hope might be wrong..

Nonetheless, thank you for the support from last Thursday and hopefully this Thursday, I am truly happy that you are respecting this dilema. Wish you well, thank you and God Bless.

Down in Savannah here. Latest models show it starting to curve so hopefully that will keep up and we will all be spared.

Best of luck and my prayers are with you.

 

[MainJPW]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

Unfortunate but expected.

 

[P.Kat]

Bad News..for me...

Hey, just wanna let you know that there is a Category 4 major hurricane called Hurricane Florance about to hit South Carolina at around Wednsday and Thursday. Before Hurricane Florence about to strike SC and before we evacuate, I wanna tell you everyone thank you for showing thoughts and prayers to the Major Earthquake disaster from Japan. Hopefully, you will also recieve support too for many people stuck in this difficult issue. I will pray that my house is will be kept safe and so were the other innocent people.

If I have enough luck, I hope the Direct is shown right before Wednsday and Thursday...But that hope might be wrong..

Nonetheless, thank you for the support from last Thursday and hopefully this Thursday, I am truly happy that you are respecting this dilema. Wish you well, thank you and God Bless.

Take care, and be safe.

 

[Shroob]

Well, this doesn't look good for Palutena's Guidance either, especially due to how many would need to be updated.

On the other hand, maybe Inklings will have a special taunt on Moray Towers that let Callie and Marie report on the opponent instead? That way you can make new ones for DLC without having to bring back the voice actors.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

So here's a forum game to throw around:
What are your top five favorite franchises included in Smash Bros.?

1. Legend of Zelda: NES Zelda one of my first videos games ever to own. And I got every single LoZ game (console) ever since.

2. Final Fantasy: FF3 was my first RPG and FF7 was really my introduction to PlayStation. I’ve been a fan of FF for a long time and still remains my favorite RPG franchise. Massive shoutouts to most of the “retro” earlier releases plus to 8, 10, and 13.

3. Street Fighter: Super Street fighter 2: New Challengers was my first fighting game and I have been hooked ever since. My cousins and I made a home video of us dressed when we were kids as street fighter characters and beating the crap out of each other. At one point, I was Dhalsim with a towel wrapped around my head and wearing wearing only whitie-tighties. I recall my main move wasn’t “Yoga Hopstoch”.

4. Metroid: I first got into Metroid with metroid Prime. As a huge fan of the SF Genre, I was hooked. I did play earlier Metroid games at friends house.

5. Pokemon: this was a tie with either Animal Crossing. I played Pokemon since the beginning and have played most of the main games. Plus I like making fakemon.

 

[Chrono.]

Well, this doesn't look good for Palutena's Guidance either, especially due to how many would need to be updated.

On the other hand, maybe Inklings will have a special taunt on Moray Towers that let Callie and Marie report on the opponent instead? That way you can make new ones for DLC without having to bring back the voice actors.

That'd be cool, but I won't lie, the voice acting itself was half of the fun of those.

Especially with the codecs.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

He said, "yet" and for what it's worth the majority of his voice tracks have been reused. It's not unlikely that they'll do these towards the end of development. However, if they're not in I won't be entirely surprised. There could be upwards to 80 plus characters including the Koopalings and Alph. It's a huge undertaking.

 

[Shroob]

That'd be cool, but I won't lie, the voice acting itself was half of the fun of those.

Especially with the codecs.

Hey, I'll take more Callie and Marie anytime.

 

[Deleted member]

Saw this coming from a mile away.

No way this was happening.

I expect Guidances will be axed too.

I'm gonna be one to say that I wouldn't hold my breath. If Hayter went all the way as to say he recorded all new lines, how would those not be used for codecs? We've literally heard what practically is reused voice clips from Brawl in Ultimate. I'm gonna assume this is an NDA sort of thing.

 

[ZephyrZ]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

What, really? I'm actually really surprised by this. Making that many codecs would be a ton of work, but it feels really wrong not bringing them back. Everyone is here, including Snake, but now it feels like we've lost a part of him in the transition.

I guess we won't be seeing guidences either. But if we do, I can only omagine the salt that would occur.

You forgot Yoob

Ah yes, Yoob. How could forget about the mighty Yoob?

I'm actually only casually into the Mario series. Who's Yoob?

 

[Omega Tyrant]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

He talks about proposing the idea and how it hasn't happened "yet", but if it hasn't happened at this stage of development then it's probably not going to happen in the base game. I think a new conversation thing is happening and it wasn't deemed worthwhile to make multiple types of them in the same game, leading to the Codecs not returning, but perhaps there is the chance the Codecs could be brought back for DLC.

 

[Chrono.]

What, really? I'm actually really surprised by this. Making that many codecs would be a ton of work, but it feels really wrong not bringing them back. Everyone is here, including Snake, but now it feels like we've lost a part of him in the transition.

I guess we won't be seeing guidences either. But if we do, I can only omagine the salt that would occur.
Ah yes, Yoob. How could forget about mighty Yoob?

I'm actually only casually into the Mario series. Who's Yoob?

Yoob is from Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time.

I think he was a boss.

 

[TheYungLink]

Let's say they do something like in Smash 4 where the codecs were replaced with Palutena's Guidance. Are there any other series that can receive the "new codecs"?

I suppose one example could be Samus doing a smash taunt on a Metroid Prime stage (we haven't seen Frigate Orpheon return yet so...) where she uses her Scan Visor and a brief summary of her opponent pops up on screen. But that wouldn't have the fun back-and-forth between at least two people that both the codecs and PG were known for.

 

[LetterO]

Well, this doesn't look good for Palutena's Guidance either, especially due to how many would need to be updated.

On the other hand, maybe Inklings will have a special taunt on Moray Towers that let Callie and Marie report on the opponent instead? That way you can make new ones for DLC without having to bring back the voice actors.

How do you just forget Cuttlefish like that? For shame.

 

[Zinith]

Yoob is from Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time.

I think he was a boss.

Actually he wasn't a boss...

Spoiler

He was a whole ****ing level

 

[Chrono.]

Let's say they do something like in Smash 4 where the codecs were replaced with Palutena's Guidance. Are there any other series that can receive the "new codecs"?

I suppose one example could be Samus doing a smash taunt on a Metroid Prime stage (we haven't seen Frigate Orpheon return yet so...) where she uses her Scan Visor and a brief summary of her opponent pops up on screen. But that wouldn't have the fun back-and-forth between at least two people that both the codecs and PG were known for.

Splatoon is the first one that comes to mind.

Also Frigate Orpheon is back, you can see it in Dark Samus' trailer.

 

[Slavic]

So here's a forum game to throw around:
What are your top five favorite franchises included in Smash Bros.?

5 - : Pikmin was one of the first Nintendo IPs I was introduced to that wasn't Mario / Legend of Zelda / Pokemon. When I was a child the environments, music, and enemies of Pikmin mystified me in a way no other game had (well that would change later). I got my hands on a Nintendo Power with an article on Pikmin 2 long before I would ever get to play it and I spent so much time looking through the pages and at all the treasure and enemies they were showing off. When Pikmin 3 finally came out, it was such a gorgeous game, and for the first time I was actually competent at Pikmin gameplay and so I got to enjoy the puzzles and combat as well as the aesthetics. And don't even get me started on the hours of 2 AM Bingo Battle I played with my friend.

4 - : Mario's going to be on this list obviously. There's such a variety of Mario games out there that at least one will appeal to someone. I'm actually not a fan of the 2D Mario games, but I've poured hundreds of hours into the 3D games, especially Mario Sunshine which was the game of my childhood. On top of those, I've had so many experiences with friends and family around the party games, it's impossible for me not to put it on a list like this, and there's too many experiences for me to even properly summarize my love for this series.

3 - : I actually had a hard ban on Pokemon for the first 8 or so years of my life. No games, no cards, no show, not even the Kraft mac & cheese I was allowed to have. One day I smuggled a Squirtle card home from school and my parents found it. Instead of getting in trouble they sighed and loosened the ban slightly. The first Pokemon game I had was the TCG for the GB Color, and I played the heck out of it. I read all sorts of guides on the Pokemon games, collected cards, made like a million drawings of Pokemon. My first proper Pokemon game was Pokemon Ruby, and for the longest time I would not be convinced it wasn't the best. I know currently own at least two games from every generation plus a great number of spinoffs, and for my wallet's sake I wish my parents had kept that ban a little.

2 - : My experience with Fire Emblem came before I ever got to play Melee, because my babysitter would bring her GBA and FE7 when she came to watch us as kids. As a video game needing kid I got to play hours of FE7 (only in Lyn's story) and I'm pretty sure Florina became my first video game crush way back then. Aside from that, I've played hundreds of hours of both Awakening and Fates, and I'm getting there with Shadows of Valencia now. I haven't even played all the Western releases yet, and I can readily admit the series and each game has plenty of flaws. However, Fire Emblem does an incredible job of delivering dozens of new characters to explore each game in both character and gameplay, and it's just like a more charismatic Pokemon for me at this point.

1 - : Hoo boy. This is formative for me. I first learned about Shulk when I very first started doing Smash speculation in 2010. I was just looking for random characters to give my rosters a Unique Edge when I found him. Trying to make a moveset was very difficult with incredibly limited clips and descriptions of the game at the time, and he was a hard character to defend being in Smash at the time. One day I went into a GameStop a few years later to get... something. I'll never remember what because when I went to the Wii game shelf I saw it. Xenoblade Chronicles. Used and for 45 bucks I gave up on whatever I was looking for and snatched that up, because this game had a reputation. My first playthrough I dragged on for so long. I would just sit and look at the scenery, listen to the music. I'd get into meaningless battles so I could hear the quotes from all the characters. I set my alarm way early so I could wake up and play a few hours before school to get me excited for the day. Xenoblade was the only game I needed in my life for quite a while.

Outside of just the memories I have of this game, it is the most perfect game (for me) I've ever played. The combat is the perfect blend of fast without being too samey or boring, and there's always a challenging battle hiding somewhere nearby. The seven playable characters are all so diverse and memorable, it's one of very few games where I actually love every character in the game, that's so rare for me. The antagonists and NPCs make the game feel so fleshed out. The cutscenes, the voice acting, and the music filled every moment of that game with pure emotion for me. Despite how most people feel about the game graphically, I think it's one of the most visually charming games I've ever played. Unlike Xenosaga and later Xenoblades, everything looks hand crafted and almost paper mache instead of the glossy anime the series usually has. Combined with vibrant colors, gorgeous vistas, and impressive day-night changes, there is almost nothing about this game I'm not obsessed with. This first game is so important to me I own it for the Wii, the Wii U VC, and the 3DS, just because I have so much passion for it. Not to mention that I've made movesets for four characters from the game.

Xenoblade Chronicles X is the odd one out, but the fact that I still enjoy it as much as I do despite it being (imo) the worst in the series is a testament to the quality of this franchise. XCX loses out a lot on the character and mysticism of the first game, but boy is the gameplay fun. Everything is sleeker and faster and more interactive than Xenoblade's combat, which makes getting into the longer fights of this game much more enjoyable. I really enjoyed the Battle Voice and the customization of said feature. The scale of Xenoblade X is the big feature this game has. Everything dwarfs you in this game right off the bat, and it does an excellent job of making you feel foreign and alone and small in a strange location. It's not perfect but XCX is a lot of fun.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is the one I'm currently entrenched in and I actually hated it for the first few hours. XC2 is an incredible game with a nuanced battle system that makes every battle interesting, but unfortunately you get all the features that make the combat so fun slowly over the first few chapters, which means battles are a slog until then. When it comes to boss battles, cutscenes, and the enormous variety of Blades and weapons, however, the game goes from slow and formulaic to overwhelming pretty quickly, and that's when it gets so good. As is Xeno tradition, the gameplay has a radical shift from previous installments, but the focus on Blade combos make XC's Chain Attacks far less mindless and actually make you weigh whether to use them or hold off until you get a few more combos in. The moment where you get the fourth member of your team was just as exciting, if not more, as Dunban's arrival in XC. Once I gained the last two members of the team and hit Morytha, the game sealed itself as being an incredible experience for me. I've only played a few hours of Xenosaga but it made Morytha feel so impactful and familiar when I got there that I had a little freak out. It's also incredible how memorable the rubble location is in a world of fantasy titans with impossible landscapes in them.

All these alone would make Xenoblade 2 an excellent game, but it continues to build on itself. Starting with KOS-MOS and gaining T-elos, those were neat cameos that were exciting and pleasant to see added to the game. And then we got Shulk. And Fiora. AND Elma. Combined with the vast amount and quality of the expansion for this game, plus The Golden Country, this is not just the definitive Xenoblade game but the definitive Xeno game. This is the culmination of Monolith's achievements and feels just so complete for me. It certainly has its issues but it is still one of the best games I've played and you KNOW I'm purchasing a box for Golden Country even though I have the expansion pass.

In short, there's a reason I bring up Xenoblade here like every three posts I make. It's been a life-changing game for me, and really no other game has affected me in this way.

 

[ReeseBalaski]

Sad to hear about the Codecs (and inevitably the Guidances as well).

I'll hold out hope that there's gonna be more personalized victory quotes, though.

I also think it was confirmed that there's unique dialogue if Wolf uses his Final Smash on Fox or Falco? Stuff like that is good enough for me.

 

[Shroob]

As much as I hate it, it's for the best, really.

The "WHO'S THAT CHARACTER?!" Guidances were really lame in Smash 4 for DLC characters.


A new type of secret taunt where you don't actually need voice actors would make the most sense, since then when DLC hits, you can just use the stock sounds.



Inklings get my vote. Squid-ese is just garbled Japanese anyway.

 

[Malkior7]

Brawl had codecs (though had Snake been in Smash 4 they could have carried over)

Smash4 had the guidances

Maybe there will be a newcomer that will bring a similar thing with it for this game.

 

[SmashingXan2]

Let's say they do something like in Smash 4 where the codecs were replaced with Palutena's Guidance. Are there any other series that can receive the "new codecs"?

I suppose one example could be Samus doing a smash taunt on a Metroid Prime stage (we haven't seen Frigate Orpheon return yet so...) where she uses her Scan Visor and a brief summary of her opponent pops up on screen. But that wouldn't have the fun back-and-forth between at least two people that both the codecs and PG were known for.

Frigate Orphean was one of the first stages shown all the way back in E3

 

[Shroob]

How do you just forget Cuttlefish like that? For shame.

Truth be told, I never owned a WiiU and I still don't own a Switch.


I just think Callie and Marie are cute.

 

[Chrono.]

Actually he wasn't a boss...

Spoiler

He was a whole ****ing level

Tbh I'm surprised I got the game right at all.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

10. Hades
9. Rayman
8. Porky
7. Kazuma Kiryu
6. Karate Joe
5. BWD
4. Skull Kid
3. Geno
2. Banjo
1. Isaac

0....Kamek (Yoshi needs his villain)

 

[ZephyrZ]

Let's say they do something like in Smash 4 where the codecs were replaced with Palutena's Guidance. Are there any other series that can receive the "new codecs"?

I suppose one example could be Samus doing a smash taunt on a Metroid Prime stage (we haven't seen Frigate Orpheon return yet so...) where she uses her Scan Visor and a brief summary of her opponent pops up on screen. But that wouldn't have the fun back-and-forth between at least two people that both the codecs and PG were known for.

If Corrin taunts on Castle Seige, Ryoma, Xander, Elise and Sakura could all commentate in like in that cheesy reveal trailer.

But the salt that would ensue from them replacing codecs with more FE would insane, so Sakurai is hopefully smart enough to know better.

 

[WallyPalmer]

Money is important to save, and things like spinal damage sucks (better than death sure, but it’s still something unpleasant)

Bayo looks more like a sexy high school/college teacher or a cool nanny

: "Nanny Bayo, can you buy me cigarettes?"
: "Pff... You aren't Juuling? What are you, a cop?"

 

[Malkior7]

Let's say they do something like in Smash 4 where the codecs were replaced with Palutena's Guidance. Are there any other series that can receive the "new codecs"?

I suppose one example could be Samus doing a smash taunt on a Metroid Prime stage (we haven't seen Frigate Orpheon return yet so...) where she uses her Scan Visor and a brief summary of her opponent pops up on screen. But that wouldn't have the fun back-and-forth between at least two people that both the codecs and PG were known for.

If Lloyd Irving gets in they could do a thing with the skits Symphonia had he and Genis could have conversations about a character

 

[staindgrey]

So here's a forum game to throw around:
What are your top five favorite franchises included in Smash Bros.?

Street Fighter
Fire Emblem
Legend of Zelda
Mario Kart/Party
Metroid

I'd say Pokemon, but honestly, I haven't felt truly invested in a Pokemon game since G/S. (Pokken was pretty cool, but i couldn't get anyone locally to play with me.) It's all nostalgia at this point.

 

[Jetsurge]

I expect Guidances will be axed too.

I doubt it

 

[Chrono.]

If Lloyd Irving gets in they could do a thing with the skits Symphonia had he and Genis could have conversations about a character

Oh man that would be so dope.

They'd never do it but that'd be so dope.

 

[Shroob]

I doubt it

If they brought Hayter back but didn't fix up the codecs, what makes you think they'll do it for Guidances? Most of them will have to be completely redone due to them being outdated.

 

[Jetsurge]

Brawl had codecs (though had Snake been in Smash 4 they could have carried over)

Smash4 had the guidances

Maybe there will be a newcomer that will bring a similar thing with it for this game.

Grunty

 

[Chrono.]

If they brought Hayter back but didn't fix up the codecs, what makes you think they'll do it for Guidances? Most of them will have to be completely redone due to them being outdated.

Robin's definitely at least lol.

 

[P.Kat]

I'm gonna derail the discussion, but I made a roster based off of all of our speculation throughout the entire thread. I'd like to know what you all would think about this roster if it were the actual roster for Ultimate.

Spoiler: Dear God what have I done

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Why did I do it? I think the better question is why didn't I do it?
EDIT: I forgot someone. I think you know who it is.

This roster is a thing of beauty. Amazing is all that comes to mind.

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

Alright here they are:

1. Amaterasu
2. Elma
3. Shantae
4. Sora
5. Rayman
6. Rex and Pyra
7. Joker
8. Gardevoir
9. Fjorm
10. Valkyrie