Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Misery Brick]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

In no particular order outside of #1:
10. Ayumi Tachibana
9. Skull Kid
8. Shantae
7. Dixie Kong
6. Tails
5. Chun-Li
4. Bandanna Waddle Dee
3. Elma
2. Neku Sakuraba
1. Chorus Kids/RH character

Bad News..for me...

Hey, just wanna let you know that there is a Category 4 major hurricane called Hurricane Florance about to hit South Carolina at around Wednsday and Thursday. Before Hurricane Florence about to strike SC and before we evacuate, I wanna tell you everyone thank you for showing thoughts and prayers to the Major Earthquake disaster from Japan. Hopefully, you will also recieve support too for many people stuck in this difficult issue. I will pray that my house is will be kept safe and so were the other innocent people.

If I have enough luck, I hope the Direct is shown right before Wednsday and Thursday...But that hope might be wrong..

Nonetheless, thank you for the support from last Thursday and hopefully this Thursday, I am truly happy that you are respecting this dilema. Wish you well, thank you and God Bless.

I actually have quite a few friends out there too, and trying to make sure they'll be okay. Stay safe and just hope for only the best.

 

[?????????????]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

This is a bit modified, since my original Top 2 already made it in.

10. Rex and Pyra
9. Isaac
8. Geno
7. Heihachi
6. Banjo
5. Karate Joe
4. Spring Man
3. Erdrick
2. Elma
1. Rayman

 

[SonicMario]

With Codecs confirmed not in the game, I think either the guidances will come back (Don't know if most of the Smash 4 ones would be recycled or not. Though obviously some would need to change. Especially Robin's for obvious reasons ) or they'll do something new.

If it's the latter... With how large the roster is though, I wonder if they'll go for a bit of a cheaper route. Like doing just text and squid talk for the "voice acting" while Pearl and Marina commentate on all the fighters on the Splatoon stage.

EDIT: Oh didn't see I was ninja'd by Shroob. Sorry

 

[amageish]

I dunno if Snake not getting codecs necessarily means we won't get guidances. Sakurai's friend and Metal Gear series director/writer/producer/etc Kojima has left Konami, which could be a factor depending on how involved he was with writing the codecs for Brawl. Sakurai, meanwhile, created modern Kid Icarus himself and they could reuse a lot of their dialogue from Smash 4.

I agree that it would be a logistical nightmare, but I would also argue that the entire concept of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is a logistical nightmare, so that doesn't necessarily omit it.

 

[Starbound]

Without the Codecs or Guidances, if we get anything like it, I'm hoping we get the Inkopolis News Update on the characters.

Keeping it text only is a great method of future proofing so that DLC characters can be part of the fun.

 

[?????????????]

I’ve heard of Squid Sisters and Doc Louis as two different ideas for character commentaries. I like both.

 

[Shroob]

I think the problem with Codec/Guidances reared their ugly head in Smash4.

Namely, when DLC comes, if you don't bring the voice actors back, you run into having to use generic "WHO'S THAT CHARACTER? I UNNO JUST FIGHT" kind of lines, which are really, REALLY lame, especially with how creative they usually are.


I hate losing either, but I'd much prefer a system that doesn't require having to bring the voice actors back over and over again to record 5-6 lines of new dialogue every time for DLC.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Regarding codecs, there are a couple things to note:

1. Even if this game had 100 codecs to record, an MGS game has way more hours' worth of codecs.
2. They might not want to risk Hayter leaking the newcomers, so they'll record them a little later.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

10) Medusa - Never played Kid Icarus but I love her design and she seems like a cool character, plus having a female villain would be cool (Does Dark Samus count? idk).

9) Isabelle - Love her, a total cutie who would work perfectly as a villager echo, she's pretty much the face of animal crossing by this point so not having her would be kinda crazy.

8) Bandana Dee - Never played a Kirby game but how can you not love the little guy? Plus a spear based character is something we don't have right now which would be unique.

7) Rayman - Just love the Rayman series and he feels like an example of a 3rd party that truly deserves to be in.

6) Fiora (R.I.P) - One of my favourite characters ever, please.

5) Lara Croft - Love the tomb raider series and she's one of the most iconic characters to exist, definitely feels like she deserves to be in and I'd love to have her duel samus.

4) Krystal (R.I.P) - I loved her in Assault (I'm drawn to female characters if you can't tell by now, the homo jumped out), the staff would also make for such a unique and interesting moveset.

3) Impa - Feels like the next logical Zelda character and I loved her in Skyward Sword, would be a perfect sheik echo with a few attacks reworked to use magic (magic burst bombs like in skyward sword replacing the grenades works too perfectly).

2) Elma - I loved Xenoblade X and Elma in particular, her design is incredible and badass female leads is something I always love. Her moveset would be too cool using both dual guns and dual swords.

1) Dixie Kong - My girl, I still very much think she should be and can be a unique character, passing up a hair attacking, aerial based grappler for the sake of making her Diddy echo would be such a wasted opportunity.

 

[Hinata]

I don't think you'd need to change many clips from Palutena's Guidance.

Off hand, the only ones I can think of that need updating are Charizard (to account for the Pokemon Trainer), Link (To make reference to Breath of the Wild, yeah, but also because the clip specifically mentions Link's Hookshot, which he doesn't have anymore), Robin (can't make fun of Chrom anymore), and then you'd just have to make new ones for whatever characters weren't in Smash 4. Reusing the vast majority of them wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Chrono.]

And just as we're talking about codecs, this shows up on r/smashbros haha.

https://imgur.com/gFKqm6L

 

[John Dylan Smith]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

#1. A New Earthbound/Mother Character- Either The Masked Man/Claus (From Mother 3) Or Porky Minch (From Earthbound/Mother 2)

#2. Another New Donkey Kong Character- Either Dixie Kong Or Stanley The Bugman (From Donkey Kong 3)

#3. Travis Touchdown (From The No More Heroes Series) (Owned By Grasshopper Manufacture)

#4. Another New Metroid Character- Either Sylux (From Metroid Prime Hunters) Or Anthony Higgs (From Metroid: Other M)

#5. Sub-Zero (From The Mortal Kombat Series) (Owned By Nether Realm Studios)

#6. A New Kirby Character- Either Prince Fluff (From Kirby's Epic Yarn) Or Adeleine (From Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards)

#7. Ryu Hayabusa (From The Ninja Gaiden Series) (Owned By Koei Tecmo)

#8. A New Kid Icarus Character- Either Medusa Or Hades (Both Are From Kid Icarus: Uprising)

#9. The Mach Rider (From Mach Rider On NES)

#10. A New Punch-Out Character- Either King Hippo Or Mr. Sandman (Both Are From Punch-Out On The Nintendo Wii)

 

[Shroob]

I don't think you'd need to change many clips from Palutena's Guidance.

Off hand, the only ones I can think of that need updating are Charizard (to account for the Pokemon Trainer), Link (To make reference to Breath of the Wild, yeah, but also because the clip specifically mentions Link's Hookshot, which he doesn't have anymore), Robin (can't make fun of Chrom anymore), and then you'd just have to make new ones for whatever characters weren't in Smash 4. Reusing the vast majority of them wouldn't be an issue.

Ike's would need to be changed.

Pit references how jacked Ike looks in 4, when in Ultimate he can be wimpy or ANCHOR ARMS Ike.

 

[Malkior7]

And just as we're talking about codecs, this shows up on r/smashbros haha.

https://imgur.com/gFKqm6L

That was amazing

 

[Firewolf73]

Since the roster was finalized in '15, it seems unlikely a Champion will be part of the base roster (very likely DLC though, I would think). I think the competition right now looks to be between Skull Kid, Tetra/Toon Zelda, Impa, and possibly Hilda and Tingle. Given that Zelda hasn't had a unique newcomer since Melee, I'm kind of hopeful we could get as many as a unique fighter and a couple echoes. Or, we may get nothing. Fingers crossed!

I’m also hoping for a new Zelda rep although I think Tetra and Tingle aren’t really a part of the competition (at least not from what I’ve read from reddit, fb, gamefaqs) I think the newcomer is speculated to be Skull Kid while a possible echo would be Impa or Hilda.

 

[Luigi The President]

Maybe Hayter can't confirm he's doing Codecs 'cause he's under NDA.

But also, I'm just happy Snake is back, so I don't mind.

 

[Shroob]

Maybe Hayter can't confirm he's doing Codecs 'cause he's under NDA.

But also, I'm just happy Snake is back, so I don't mind.

I thought the same, but in the video he said he himself personally reached out to Nintendo to do them, so....

 

[Luigi The President]

I thought the same, but in the video he said he himself personally reached out to Nintendo to do them, so....

Just another trick to throw them off the trail maybe.

 

[Shroob]

Just another trick to throw them off the trail maybe.

And this is stage 1 of 5.

 

[Booper Blooper]

Maybe Hayter can't confirm he's doing Codecs 'cause he's under NDA.

But also, I'm just happy Snake is back, so I don't mind.

The thing about it is, in the video, he brings up the Codecs unprompted, he isn't dodging a codecs question or anything.

The question was basically "How is doing Snake again in Smash?"

 

[Luigi The President]

And this is stage 1 of 5.

As I said, I genuinely don't mind that they're not back.
It's not so much the stages of grief as the stages of "ehh, maybe he just busted out a little trick. Probably didn't though," and dropping it at that.

The thing about it is, in the video, he brings up the Codecs unprompted, he isn't dodging a codecs question or anything.

The question was basically "How is doing Snake again in Smash?"

Makes more sense. Yeah, I doubt Codecs are in, but again...at least Snake's home.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Top 10s? Well...
10) Rayman
9) Excitebiker
8) Ray
7) Saki
6) Shovel Knight (rip)
5) Captain Toad (rip)
4) King K. Rool
3) Inkling
2) Ridley
1) Isaac

If I had to add five more to replace the already confirmed and dead characters it would probably be Tetra, Starfy, Balloon Fighter, Jimmy T., and Dovahkiin. Starting to be a little bit more pipe dreamy because why not lol

 

[WaxPython]

No Codecs? Smash is really losing its way recently I hope there's a story mode or I will not be happy at all with ultimate. May as well make it smash 4 DLC then.

 

[Pakky]

I wonder what will be said about the terror that is

By either or

 

[PSIGuy]

I think with Codecs being cut, it's possible they're not focusing on things that aren't raw gameplay or characters. So trophies might also be cut too; we haven't seen them at all. We might still get Smash 64 style bios for all the characters, but trophies consisting of characters from other games (ie non-Smash models) could be gone.

I think it'd be a good move if it means they can focus on the actual game part of the game. I can see some people being unhappy, but people are also unhappy that a multi-player focused character crossover doesn't have hours of single player gameplay.

 

[Chrono.]

I can't believe I'm only just learning the Vampire Killer version used Simon's trailer is just Judgement's. All this time and I was thinking it was a Smash original remix lol.

 

[Luigi The President]

No Codecs? Smash is really losing its way recently I hope there's a story mode or I will not be happy at all with ultimate. May as well make it smash 4 DLC then.

Whoa...uhm...what?
Can you explain why you aren't happy? I don't mean to be rude I just...genuinely don't understand

 

[Shroob]

I can't believe I'm only just learning the Vampire Killer version used Simon's trailer is just Judgement's. All this time and I was thinking it was a Smash original remix lol.

The fact that Bloody Tears can't be a standalone track makes me cry my own bloody tears.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Know what would be a very fitting name for the supposed character reveals at the direct and who I'm predicting it will be.

Sun & Moon (Isaac and Skull Kid).

Eh? Eh? Get it?

 

[Deleted member]

No Codecs? Smash is really losing its way recently I hope there's a story mode or I will not be happy at all with ultimate. May as well make it smash 4 DLC then.

"Yikes" ain't even good enough to describe this.

 

[Chrono.]

I think with Codecs being cut, it's possible they're not focusing on things that aren't raw gameplay or characters. So trophies might also be cut too; we haven't seen them at all. We might still get Smash 64 style bios for all the characters, but trophies consisting of characters from other games (ie non-Smash models) could be gone.

I think it'd be a good move if it means they can focus on the actual game part of the game. I can see some people being unhappy, but people are also unhappy that a multi-player focused character crossover doesn't have hours of single player gameplay.

Vault is still in the menu so I highly doubt Trophies would be cut.

On top of that most of the Trophies are just the models ripped straight from other games.

 

[Shroob]

Whoa...uhm...what?
Can you explain why you aren't happy? I don't mean to be rude I just...genuinely don't understand

That's what we call bait. That guy's always doing **** like that.

 

[Luigi The President]

That's what we call bait. That guy's always doing **** like that.

Oh...understandable...

 

[Deleted member]

That's what we call bait. That guy's always doing **** like that.

HEY.
IT GAVE ME AN EXCUSE TO SCOTTPOST. And that's good enough for me.

 

[Pakky]

According to snakes voice actor there will be no codecs in smash ultimate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._hayter_voice_of_snake_confirme_no_codecs_in/

I'd wait he might not be allowed to say due to contracts.

There's not much reason for a specific voice actor to be here just for grunts and so on.

 

[WaxPython]

Whoa...uhm...what?
Can you explain why you aren't happy? I don't mean to be rude I just...genuinely don't understand

Because smash 4 stripped many staples of the series like a story mode and a good classic mode etc.

And I don't want ultimate to be given the same treatment the remo cal of codec calls and no trophies shown is not a good sign at all.

 

[Luigi The President]

Because smash 4 stripped many staples of the series like a story mode and a good classic mode etc.

And I don't want ultimate to be given the same treatment the remo cal of codec calls and no trophies shown is not a good sign at all.

Yea champ I'm gonna just...this...

I am not gonna try to change your opinion so...have a good night and let's leave it there

 

[Deleted member]

Because smash 4 stripped many staples of the series like a story mode and a good classic mode etc.

And I don't want ultimate to be given the same treatment the remo cal of codec calls and no trophies shown is not a good sign at all.

Damn! My bull**** radar is going OFF THE CHARTS!

 

[Nethermoosen]

Vault is still in the menu so I highly doubt Trophies would be cut.

On top of that most of the Trophies are just the models ripped straight from other games.

Could just bring over all existing trophies, make a few for newcomers from new IP’s and call it good.

I was never a big fan of trophies. They didn’t have a function other than being viewable.

I play games for functionality, mechanics, strategy, action and story. Story is actually the least important to me because I’m reaching middle age and I’ve pretty much seen every type of story there could be.

Smash has a unique, can’t get it anywhere else, high-octane, in-depth combat system to it and that’s where all the real work gets done in development, despite it being originally created as a casual experience.

Sakurai made a beautiful accident when he decided we could turn off random elements. I like playing with items and hazards and stuff in groups or with my less competitive friends, but man....the depth of the characters alone...

 

[WaxPython]

That's what we call bait. That guy's always doing **** like that.

Having genuine concerns about smash ultimate is bait? Okay lol


Fanboys will be fanboys, why bother watching directs if you will blindly support the game anyway.

Some of us have high expectations for smash