Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Shyy_Guy595]

Going to be straight with you chief.


Classic mode is fun going through it the first time.



It's going to be tedious as hell going through it probably 70+ times.


The same could be said of a Melee-styled adventure mode if we get one. Doing it over 70 times isn't fun, it's tedious.

Depends. With each character playing differently, you can have a different experience with each.

For example, the the love of me, I hated used Mario in that race the clock segment fron Metroid because his jump is not only heavy, but it takes a while to recover for me to try and jump to another. Gave me a **** ton of anxiety as a 4-year-old kid

 

[Pakky]

Why do people think that Nintendo would risk their flagship holiday title by giving the fans something that's any less than perfect? They're betting the farm on this (and Pokemon) to give them that 20,000,000 sale milestone. Its gonna be great.

 

[Will]

Link?

bruh
its only been a month and you forgot

 

[WaxPython]

Smash IS the reward. I don’t pay $60 so that I can be given trophies. I play because it’s a freaking blast. I am rewarded every time I find a new way to use a character or master spacing with a certain attack.
No trophy will ever be equivalent to improvement of play to me.

That's your opinion, for some of us that would be a very shallow experience.

We can comapmin about a lack of content, for people just around for smash gameplay you can't explain say there's too much content.

 

[Chrono.]

You know trophies are great but the biggest problem with them is that there are just too many. It's nigh impossible to collect them all in any Smash game and most of them are just pretty lame things in spite of the descriptions. Nowadays they're usually just models and sprites ripped from other games which doesn't make them all too unique. It does not help at all that you can get duplicates for absolutely no reason other than gacha garbage Sakurai is obsessed with.

Trophies would instantly be improved by having less of them, and more of them being uniquely modeled and rendered characters like how many of them were back in Melee, it's fun seeing updates of old characters. Trophies should be novel instead of just being filler

I can agree with this.

Although, unless you're a die hard completionist, most won't care about collecting Trophies or even getting duplicates. Cause it's that negligible of a collectible.

 

[Dee Dude]

Doesn't the E3 2013 trailer count? Cause Fox was in that one.

No, that was a general trailer, newcomer ones only.

And no, DLC/Echo ones don’t count either since it’s just gameplay footage.
Anyways, if Boshi got in, my boi will as well

Link?

Uh...he was in several of them. WFT, Mega Man, Greninja etc.

 

[Shroob]

Depends. With each character playing differently, you can have a different experience with each.

For example, the the love of me, I hated used Mario in that race the clock segment fron Metroid because his jump is not only heavy, but it takes a while to recover for me to try and jump to another. Gave me a **** ton of anxiety as a 4-year-old kid

I mean, I was pretty 'done' with Adventure mode after 26 characters.


I legit can't imagine doing the same thing with over 70.


The problem with Melee's Adventure mode was that there were really only 2-3 things that changed it up, being Luigi, Giant Kirby iirc, and Giga Bowser.


If the settings were more varied and were randomized so every playthrough felt different, that'd have been one thing, but it's the same thing over and over and over again.

 

[Kaeltor]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

Spoiler: My List

10. Mallow - He could have a really cool kit and if Sakurai goes to the trouble of licensing Geno, why not license Mallow too?! I've seen the tag-team (with Geno) idea come up, and admittedly I'm not opposed to it if it worked similar to Pokemon trainer.

9. Leon (Squall)/Sephiroth/and or Vivi - Would like to see more Square enix characters in the game. Leon is one of my favorite FF characters. Vivi could fill the role of a true magic user which is an archetype I feel is missing from smash. Sephiroth would be interesting, but I think he'd have to be really slow and/or have his sword size decreased to a non-canonical size.

8. Sora - I know this is a pipedream, but...

7. Isaac - Never played his games but he could have a unique kit and I would be happy for his fans.

6. BWD - Kirby is a franchise I'd like to see a new character from. I enjoyed playing as him in SSF2 and I think a spear/parasol based character could be neat. I'd hope he isn't an echo either.

5. Kamek (or literally any Yoshi character) - Yoshi is the most deserving franchise to receive a new character. He could be a summoner type character where he summons baddies to fight for him. Boshi would be a good echo and maybe if they get Geno and Mallow then they'll get Boshi lol (not very likely, but I'd be happy for Zinith).

4. Banjo & Kazooie - Never played his game, but he has unique kit potential and I would celebrate with his fans if included.

3. Gengar - My all time favorite Pokemon. Look at Pokken if you don't think he'd fit in smash. We are also yet to have a Ghost type playable in smash and I think he'd be a great representative.

2. Skull Kid - I recently jumped on the bandwagon, because he could have a really unique kit. Would love to see how Sakurai incorporates the floating, the fairies, the laugh, etc into his kit.

1. Geno - Wanted him ever since the Brawl speculations. I think Sakurai could do some amazing things with the design of Geno!

You'll find I have far too many square Enix characters than is feasible (IMO). Fan service, unique character kit potential, and my personal favorites are just a few of the things I considered.

 

[Thermithral]

I agree not having trophys would not be ideal, but only in a "that is a mild bummer" kind of way. Which granted, is stronger then how I would feel about no codec dialogue, which is...I dont really care. No Palutenas Guidance though, is blasphemy.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes I can, Adventure mode is what we consider story mode for melee.

Doesn't matter is subspace was more fleshed out.

The fact is there's no adventure mode, subspace mode in smash 4 which is a huge bummer for most people who like a single player experience. We did not enjoy smash tour.

My guy... You just no u'd me and glossed over my reasoning. We're not even talking about Smash 4 in the first place, we're talking about the games that had a single-player mode and Smash Ultimate.

And, um... You forgot these when you said "we".

 

[TMNTSSB4]

They'd have to rerecord a lot of lines though.
I think the codec thing oartially has to do with the fact that Colonel's JP VA got the axe.

Well I doubt the 3 KI members mind (one just had their show end and the other already has new lines confirmed for the game)

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Smash IS the reward. I don’t pay $60 so that I can be given trophies. I play because it’s a freaking blast. I am rewarded every time I find a new way to use a character or master spacing with a certain attack.
No trophy will ever be equivalent to improvement of play to me.

To be clear, once I unlocked all the characters, I spent the next 4 years playing 1v1 For Glory and competitive matches with my friends. I had less than half the trophies and custom moves.

Cool. You can keep doing that, but both of our preferred rewards and gameplay desires are valid here, no one is claiming otherwise.

I say this because I feel like there's a holier-than-thou presence in the forums rn

 

[Will]

Going to be straight with you chief.


Classic mode is fun going through it the first time.



It's going to be tedious as hell going through it probably 70+ times.


The same could be said of a Melee-styled adventure mode if we get one. Doing it over 70 times isn't fun, it's tedious.

Classic Mode has a predetermined path and scenario per fighter, so most experiences will be different. Adventure Mode could be in the same light, having a set path of stages, using only 5/15 parts as a fixed probability (mushroom kingdom/battlefield/fd/series exclusives) out of maybe 30 other stages that could be for other characters or whatever.

 

[Luigi The President]

Lol man I just want Paper Mario in they can do whatever else they want

 

[Nethermoosen]

Cool. You can keep doing that, but both of our preferred rewards and gameplay desires are valid here, no one is claiming otherwise.

I say this because I feel like there's a holier-than-thou presence in the forums rn

I am not part of the “holier-than-thou” sect. I’m just joining in on the smash appreciation topic. Smash is so well-rounded, it draws appreciation for way more reasons than I personally have to love it. And that’s great.

 

[MrRoidley]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

10. Balloon Fighter
9. Golisopod (w/ Guzma maybe)
8. Rex and Pyra
7. Dixie Kong
6. Isaac
5. Shadow
4. Banjo
3. Bandanna Waddle Dee
2. Skull Kid
1. Geno

10. Jin (Xenoblade 2 Jin, not Tekken Jin. Can come with or without [spoilers], anyway is fine with me)
9. Isaac
8. Yarn Yoshi (Yoshi echo)
7. Isabelle (preferrably a unique fighter but I'd take a Villager echo too)
6. Geno
5. Celica (Robin echo)
4. Black Shadow (Captain Falcon echo)
3. Phoenix Wright
2. Elma
1. Skull Kid

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Lmao people legitimately think we won't get trophies again? They have so much to show this time around in a much smaller time frame that take priority over trophies. No need to be dramatic about it.

 

[SmashingXan2]

God we need the direct. At least a date

 

[Pakky]

I guess could be a fan of

And 'he' gives 'her' an autograph or something?

 

[Chrono.]

Anyone remember Race to the Finish from Melee?

I could never get to the end of this **** lol.

 

[Dee Dude]

Smash 4’s problem is that it doesn’t realize people don’t always have someone to play with and that some actually enjoy playing alone.

Needless to say, every Solo Mode in 4 was garbage, breaking everything that didn’t need fixing.

Even 64 has better content and frankly that’s pretty sad.

 

[Shroob]

Smash 4’s problem is that it doesn’t realize people don’t always have someone to play with and that some actually enjoy playing alone.

Needless to say, every Solo Mode in 4 was garbage, breaking everything that didn’t need fixing.

I will die on the hill that says Smash Run was good....


IF it had allowed you to **** around with your opponents.



The mode was literally City Trial from Kirby's Air Ride. Why we couldn't try to sabotage our opponents during the farming stage is beyond me.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Anyone remember Race to the Finish from Melee?

I could never get to the end of this **** lol.

Same tbh

...and you've reminded me of another mode I miss. Well, more like minigame

 

[Firewolf73]

Tingle I generally agree with, although I strongly disagree about Tetra. Sakurai's already tried to include her in Smash (most likely) once already. She's one of the better known Zelda characters in Japan, one of the most recurring characters in Zelda, considering she's a single character from one era of Zelda that came back three separate times after Wind Waker (which is four times the appearance of any individual Impa), and had a lot of attention leading up to the fighter ballot in '15. She lead the advertising campaign in Hyrule Legends, enjoying renewed popularity with Wind Waker HD not long before that, and (although she didn't personally appear in it), probably also enjoyed some help from another Toon Zelda game - Triforce Heroes - which was released just months before the ballot began (interestingly, Triforce Heroes was originally supposed to be a sequel to Link Between Worlds, but reverted back to Toon Zelda style because it's so popular). This is all aside from the fact that she's one of the most expressive, developed, unique characters in Zelda lore, and an honest to goodness pirate (which Smash utterly lacks). Her addition would balance out the aesthetic of the Zelda roster well, which looks a little serious and Fire Emblem-y right now, while Toon Link sticks out like a sore thumb - which I don't think fully appreciate's the Zelda series' wide range of flavors and tones. Given that Toon Zelda's already strongly represented in stages, and Sakurai evidently wanted to create the character at one point - it seems profoundly evident Tetra would be a natural character to consider.

Honestly, it seems the only reason people are against her is because they dislike the idea of having three Zeldas. Which is a fair point, although Tetra looks, acts, and her entire moveset would be so utterly unlike Zelda (she's practically an anti-Zelda - she wields a flintlock pistol for goodness sake), the point appears very strained to me. I do really want Impa to be on the roster - she's definitely earned a spot - but I don't think she adds nearly as much to Zelda's representation as Tetra would (what other franchise could boast introducing both a ninja AND a pirate?), and her strongest argument for inclusion seems to be that she's had such a recurring role - a role Tetra has four times the exposure of for any single iteration. Had they both been one-offs, I have doubts as to whether Impa would be a viable contender, whereas Tetra would likely still have a strong following. Not to mention, we've already got a few ninja characters. Given Tetra's unique look, moveset options, relative popularity, and coveted role being one of Sakurai's chosen, scrapped characters (who have a habit of getting in later, if Dedede, Marth, Mewtwo, Ridley, etc, are any indications) - I think ruling out Tetra is simply silly. By Sakurai's own considerations, that she deserves a spot in the Smash Bros roster is hard to deny.

Well I wasn’t aware of all those points tbh so thank you for the info and all those details! I personally wouldn’t mind her at all, I do think we need more Zelda reps and pirates as well. I guess she’s not that unlikely after all, I think maybe she has equal chances to Hilda? I mean Hilda isn’t as popular but does work as an echo. Impa..idk I mean she doesn’t work perfectly as a Shiek echo.

Btw would Tetra be a unique newcomer? Or echo ?

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

When Nintendo still refuses to give a date..
W

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Anyone remember Race to the Finish from Melee?

I could never get to the end of this **** lol.

I liked 64's better, but I also love playing the game with codes on 64 to remove the time limit. It's a blast fighting in a crazy arena like that. Whether you fight to finish it, or not. I also would love a mini-game surrounding it. Where you can win either by beating the race or getting the character's single stock gone.

...Did somebody say Sakurai tried to get Tetra in Smash? He acknowledged her popularity, but that was it. The reality is, that file was named Toon Sheik and she obviously a clone intention from the getgo. I can believe it could've changed to Tetra, but there's too many factors to say if that would've happened. Tetra was never in real consideration for a Smash game. To be clear, the files said Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik. That was it. No extra files. It's pointless to assume he meant a character he didn't list. He would've listed her if he meant her. He created a clone in Toon Link, so why wouldn't he create more similar types of clones if he had time?

 

[Deleted member]

Smash 4’s problem is that it doesn’t realize people don’t always have someone to play with and that some actually enjoy playing alone.

Needless to say, every Solo Mode in 4 was garbage, breaking everything that didn’t need fixing.

Even 64 has better content and frankly that’s pretty sad.

Smash 4 nailed it as a multiplayer game though.
Eight player Smash, For Glory is fun, and all of these awesome characters as well as it feeling smoother than Brawl.

I will agree that Brawl, 64 and Melee have more soul than Smash 4, but Smash 4 is my favorite Smash Bros. game ( not counting Ultimate ).

 

[Idon]

Well I wasn’t aware of all those points tbh so thank you for the info and all those details! I personally wouldn’t mind her at all, I do think we need more Zelda reps and pirates as well. I guess she’s not that unlikely after all, I think maybe she has equal chances to Hilda? I mean Hilda isn’t as popular but does work as an echo. Impa..idk I mean she doesn’t work perfectly as a Shiek echo.

Btw would Tetra be a unique newcomer? Or echo ?

...what would Tetra even echo?

 

[WaxPython]

Anyone remember Race to the Finish from Melee?

I could never get to the end of this **** lol.

Yeah it was really fun hahah minigames like that have been sorely missed.

I'm hoping they make a comeback but they haven't advertised them so I'm concerns about the single player aspects of smash ultimate unfortunately.

 

[Starbound]

I legit think it's a mistake to view Smash as a single player game. That's honestly like calling Mario Party or Splatoon a single player game.

I feel like Smash should prioritize the multiplayer aspects of the game because that's really the entire point of the game existing. If trophies and such are gone, I legitimately won't care since that means dev time went to improving the multiplayer, which is where I'll spend the vast majority of my time.

I know the new CoD is getting controversial for cutting the campaign and I'm essentially advocating for that, but I think a zoomed in focus on multiplayer is what the game needs to better suit the demographic it is designed for (being those people with lots of friends irl or online). If you want a solo experience, there are so many great solo games on Switch that will suck you in so much better than any token Smash single player content would.

And I'm saying all this as one of those guys with no friends to play the game with.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Uh...he was in several of them. WFT, Mega Man, Greninja etc.

Ohhh. You meant in general.

Technically, they did have Gox appear in the K. Rool trailer, unless you're not counting a 2D gif that functions as a small cameo.

Also, I really don't know what trailer Ness van appear in.

I feel like Lucas meeting with the Skull Kid and suffering a terrible fate would be a nod to his game being pretty damn sad though.

 

[Cap’nKazam]

Well I wasn’t aware of all those points tbh so thank you for the info and all those details! I personally wouldn’t mind her at all, I do think we need more Zelda reps and pirates as well. I guess she’s not that unlikely after all, I think maybe she has equal chances to Hilda? I mean Hilda isn’t as popular but does work as an echo. Impa..idk I mean she doesn’t work perfectly as a Shiek echo.

Btw would Tetra be a unique newcomer? Or echo ?

Hilda would be fun. I can see her as an echo or an alternate costume for Zelda. As for Tetra - I'm not sure. Ideally, she'd share a lot in common with Toon Link, but maybe have different special moves. Feel free to join us in Tetra's pirate crew thread for moveset talk - I submitted a moveset there recently iterating my own ideas. We'd be honored to have you aboard, matey! :D

 

[Darkraid]

Time to twist the mood a bit. Who are your 10 most wanted characters this time around? I'll start:

After Ridley, Rool, Chrom and Dark Samus
And the deconfirmed chars

10. Rex
9. Shadow
8. Dixie
7. Incineroar
6. Isaac
5. Decidueye
4. Skull Kid
3. Geno
2. Crash Bandicoot
1. Phoenix Wright

 

[Pakky]

Wait... Wow doesn't fight does he?

Never thought about that.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I legit think it's a mistake to view Smash as a single player game. That's honestly like calling Mario Party or Splatoon a single player game.

I feel like Smash should prioritize the multiplayer aspects of the game because that's really the entire point of the game existing. If trophies and such are gone, I legitimately won't care since that means dev time went to improving the multiplayer, which is where I'll spend the vast majority of my time.

I know the new CoD is getting controversial for cutting the campaign and I'm essentially advocating for that, but I think a zoomed in focus on multiplayer is what the game needs to better suit the demographic it is designed for (being those people with lots of friends irl or online). If you want a solo experience, there are so many great solo games on Switch that will suck you in so much better than any token Smash single player content would.

And I'm saying all this as one of those guys with no friends to play the game with.

The draw of a campaign in Smash is being able to play as Captain Falcon or Ness in an arcade-like mode, traveling through 3D environments and fighting the enemies of the other series like Goombas and Redeads.

There's a certain charm behind that, and where else are we gonna see Sonic beating up a fricking Koopa Troopa?

 

[WaxPython]

I legit think it's a mistake to view Smash as a single player game.

We're not, we view smash as a single and multiplayer game. That's why it's so good it has something for everything

When people are talking about cutting single player content just to prioritise another mode well that doesn't sit right with me.

 

[Blargg888]

I'll be honest; WaxPython is being very fair here. He has a right to criticize the games if they feel like they're lackluster. It's perfectly understandable to not be a fan of certain cut content. What's the issue with that?

Remember, just because it's an unpopular opinion doesn't mean it's invalid. The only real thing that is incorrect is the whole "staple of the series" bit. A lot of stuff has been cut and never returned. Single Player has very few staples; a unique boss, a lot of fights against playable characters. Yeah, that's... it. Like, as sad as it is that mini-games keep getting removed, they were never staples to begin with anyway. They're just a part of the game and were legit popular, but also didn't work out in 4's new Classic designs. It makes sense to not be in Wii U's version, as you could use multiple characters. This makes every mini-game except at best, Home Run Content, unfeasible. 3DS was designed to be a far faster Classic mode, so it kept it battles only.

Whether this is good or bad is subjective. But they did redesign a lot of stuff we used to have so they only somewhat resemble previous games. Besides, Classic Mode is called "Simple Mode" in Japan. It was meant to be an Arcade Mode, not necessarily a requirement to have stuff like mini-games, you know?

I honestly never noticed the whole "Unique bosses" thing, but yeah, that's true. And honestly, kind of obvious
64 had Master Hand
Melee had Crazy Hand
Brawl had the SSE bosses
4 had Master Core
and Ultimate has Dracula and Rathalos so far.
Wonder what else we'll be getting for Ultimate?
Honestly, I'd love to fight a legendary Pokemon again.

 

[Enderwoman]

Are you kidding me? The more trophies, the better.
It makes Smash Bros more long and expansive.

longerer and more filler doesn't necessarily mean better

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Unless not confirmed as a Poke Ball yet I think Giratina would fit perfectly as an boss.

Edit: Whelp nevermind looked it up. He does.

 

[Fenriraga]

Wait... Wow doesn't fight does he?

Never thought about that.

I mean, he TRIES to.

But Ganon promptly blasts him on his bum with a magic blast before riding away after the fleeing Zelda and Impa.

Unless not confirmed as a Poke Ball yet I think Giratina would fit perfectly as an boss.

Edit: Whelp nevermind looked it up. He does.

Giratina is still a Pokeball mon, I got him in the demo.