Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Starbound]

My wildcard is still Pam from Stardew Valley.

Now that'd be a character that would cause the rating to go up because there'd be a lot of beer.

I still want to know how she sends beer in the mail that doesn't manage to spill in the delivery process. What a legend!

 

[Lyndis_]

It would be pretty difficult to find a character that's too violent for Smash after Bayonetta, honestly. Most characters are only violent because their game allows them to be. Unless the character 100% has to use real bullet weapons, it's fine.

 

[Luigi The President]

You still have to be careful though, especially if you're trying to stay at the E10+ level.

And Nintendo's done a brilliant job of that...as seen above, Bayo's brutal and horrific murdering capabilities take up over 7 minutes of time.
Kratos will be just fine if he makes it in.

 

[Iridium]

Bakugan and/or Beyblade would be wilder than Digimon for sure.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

I don't know. Kratos has been considered to be among the angriest video game characters around. Also, he's a literal god killer, and his kills are highly graphical in nature (so graphical in fact, that some countries had to censor certain killings), so that doesn't help matters either.

I see you point but his most recent iteration is pretty different tho. He needs to be more responsible and less angry now that he is a daddy. Plus Luigi The President has a point, pretty much any character can be 'calmed down' to fit smash standards.

Edit: Btw i don't particularly want Kratos in smash...

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Nintendo burgers?? Hope they were good

here I am having the munchies at 11:30 PM

"A legacy with every bite"

 

[KMDP]

A good Digimon music to get a remix for Smash:

I was going to bring up the Next 0rder remix of this song, but was beaten to it by Chrono.

 

[MojoRobo]

Bakugan and/or Beyblade would be wilder than Digimon for sure.

Thanks for making me think of this beautiful series again.

 

[Starbound]

It should be an unwritten law that a Nintendo burger be polygonal.

 

[Will]

You still have to be careful though, especially if you're trying to stay at the E10+ level.

Why should the background of Kratos' games matter with any inclusion in Smash? Metal Gear and Bayonetta are far cries from E10+, but take away the blood and you just get slapstick and cartoon violence.

There is no problem here. It's like saying Kiryu can't be in Smash because the Yakuza games have violent themes that Kiryu himself barely does himself.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

No torture attack in Bayonetta is gross nor extremely gruesome...only sexy

Kratos will be just fine if he makes it in.

That would be a major if Kratos ever made it into any sort of Nintendo game without mods, let alone Smash...this is a Sony property after all

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Bakugan and/or Beyblade would be wilder than Digimon for sure.

Y'all remember when Moses parted the Red Sea with a beyblade?

 

[Luigi The President]

No torture attack in Bayonetta is gross nor extremely gruesome...only sexy

That would be a major if Kratos ever made it into any sort of Nintendo game without mods, let alone Smash...this is a Sony property after all

Yep. That's why I said if.

 

[Chrono.]

Kratos worked in PS All Stars and that was only rated T, same as Brawl.

 

[Wambo]

You're telling me you spent months making Echoes for everyone but not a minute on MY STORY MODE?!?!?!

I love how the ****ing feels guy meme got a second chance.

Anything happen in the nine hours I've been off?

 

[Luigi The President]

Honestly fellas?

....
....
....I lowkey want Master Chief in Smash

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, come ON! You all know what the best wild card is for Smash Ultimate!

Spoiler

 

[TMNTSSB4]

It should be an unwritten law that a Nintendo burger be polygonal.

unrelated, but I realized you have the debut for some Smash characters out of debut order

Yep. That's why I said if.

If he was a Microsoft property then he’d be possible (kinda a shame too since I’d love to have him fight Pit/Palutena and Kirby...also the obvious Mario)

Honestly fellas?

....
....
....I lowkey want Master Chief in Smash

Highkey

 

[Luigi The President]

unrelated, but I realized you have the debut for some Smash characters out of debut order

If he was a Microsoft property then he’d be possible (kinda a shame too since I’d love to have him fight Pit/Palutena and Kirby...also the obvious Mario)

Highkey

....yeahhh highkey but also lowkey because I cannot see it EVER happening.

 

[Aurane]

Honestly fellas?

....
....
....I lowkey want Master Chief in Smash

I 100% approve and support this.

 

[Will]

Honestly fellas?

....
....
....I lowkey want Master Chief in Smash

Oh come on, don't make the Banjo fans upset.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Why should the background of Kratos' games matter with any inclusion in Smash? Metal Gear and Bayonetta are far cries from E10+, but take away the blood and you just get slapstick and cartoon violence.

There is no problem here. It's like saying Kiryu can't be in Smash because the Yakuza games have violent themes that Kiryu himself barely does himself.

I guess I'm just having a hard time envisioning Kratos in a world that's more cartoonish in nature.

 

[Iridium]

Bakugan and/or Beyblade would be wilder than Digimon for sure.

Yet Voltron would be wilder than all of them.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Honestly fellas?

....
....
....I lowkey want Master Chief in Smash

I mean why not? He and Samus had an intercompany rivalry of sorts back in the day, let us live more of those out.

We have Mario & Sonic, we have Link & Cloud, why not?

 

[FooltheFlames]

Actualy , do you guys think the fact that Digimon Survive is coming to the Switch
Helps Agumon's chances to enter Smash?

I don't know if it helps but it definitely doesn't hurt

 

[Luigi The President]

Oh come on, don't make the Banjo fans upset.

Gotta ask Ariga...you've bought up how Steve has a chance sometimes for a Microsoft rep.
What do you think about the Chief?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Is a character really going to be ruled out because of violence? He’s angry and swings his swords around, makes things bleed, etc...no way he’s in, right?

I mean, Mario crushes his enemies by jumping on them. Link slices with his sword. Samus kills things by shooting them. Snake literally kills them if the player chooses to. Ridley is a homicidal maniac. Bayonetta has torture attacks in her games. Cloud kills people in his game. Star Fox shoots down their enemies, killing at least a small handful of other animal pilots. Wolf is a merciless bounty hunter. Ganondorf kills essentially the entire population of Hyrule here and there. Shulk is a god killer and kills creatures and machine alike. All the Fire Emblem characters kill opposing units in their games.

Like, that literally doesn’t matter. At all. Kratos is a gaming icon, moreso than half the 3rd party choices thrown around by Smash fans as if they’re big shots.

There’s nothing wrong with supporting characters you like, but characters like Shantae, Professor Layton, Jibanyan...those aren’t even close to the legacy or iconic status of literal gaming icons.

I’d unironically welcome the likes of Kratos, Nathan Drake or Master Chief based on the sole reason that they are gaming icons that would fit similar criterion to the characters already in Smash. By no means do I expect them. I think it’d be legit, but I don’t expect them. Other characters from series that have redefined genres or aspects of gaming would be amazing in my humble opinion. Depending on how they were implemented, i’d even be hyped to see Lara Croft or Ezio Auditore. Gimme characters that are hype and from series that kick ass.

Characters wouldn’t be ruled out for reasons like being too violent or angry. They’d be ruled out because of contractual issues or not meshing with the vision of the game.

Kratos could be edited to be like every other character with pointy objects to not elicit blood from the attacks, or not use the particularly violent attacks. Swinging his swords and yelling isn’t going to make him “too violent”.

 

[praline]

How would you lot feel if Sakurai went so balls to the wall, that literally every single character somehow got an Echo?

I know it's not even remotely plausible, but still.

So we’d have 6 Links? Nice.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

So we’d have 6 Links? Nice.

A link for every occasion!

To the Past, for your Browser, in the deepest darkness.

 

[Zinith]

Is a character really going to be ruled out because of violence? He’s angry and swings his swords around, makes things bleed, etc...no way he’s in, right?

I mean, Mario crushes his enemies by jumping on them. Link slices with his sword. Samus kills things by shooting them. Snake literally kills them if the player chooses to. Ridley is a homicidal maniac. Bayonetta has torture attacks in her games. Cloud kills people in his game. Star Fox shoots down their enemies, killing at least a small handful of other animal pilots. Wolf is a merciless bounty hunter. Ganondorf kills essentially the entire population of Hyrule here and there. Shulk is a god killer and kills creatures and machine alike. All the Fire Emblem characters kill opposing units in their games.

Like, that literally doesn’t matter. At all. Kratos is a gaming icon, moreso than half the 3rd party choices thrown around by Smash fans as if they’re big shots.

There’s nothing wrong with supporting characters you like, but characters like Shantae, Professor Layton, Jibanyan...those aren’t even close to the legacy or iconic status of literal gaming icons.

I’d unironically welcome the likes of Kratos, Nathan Drake or Master Chief based on the sole reason that they are gaming icons that would fit similar criterion to the characters already in Smash. By no means do I expect them. I think it’d be legit, but I don’t expect them. Other characters from series that have redefined genres or aspects of gaming would be amazing in my humble opinion. Depending on how they were implemented, i’d even be hyped to see Lara Croft or Ezio Auditore. Gimme characters that are hype and from series that kick ***.

Characters wouldn’t be ruled out for reasons like being too violent or angry. They’d be ruled out because of contractual issues or not meshing with the vision of the game.

Kratos could be edited to be like every other character with pointy objects to not elicit blood from the attacks, or not use the particularly violent attacks. Swinging his swords and yelling isn’t going to make him “too violent”.

Also my boi (and Kirby) devours creatures alive

 

[TMNTSSB4]

....yeahhh highkey but also lowkey because I cannot see it EVER happening.

If Microsoft keeps on loving Nintendo and manages to get Banjo Kazooie in, MC might have a big shot

Also my boi (and Kirby) devours creatures alive

And Pit can’t read

 

[Will]

Gotta ask Ariga...you've bought up how Steve has a chance sometimes for a Microsoft rep.
What do you think about the Chief?

He's more possible than people think. Like how Paper Mario hides in the shadow of Isaac and Geno, Master Chief hides in the shadows of Banjo and Minecraft. It's very well possible to happen if Microsoft absolutely wanted to push for that specific character. The problem I see with Chief at the moment though is if he can get away with 's "global recognition" or whatever Sakurai used to defend his inclusion.

I guess I'm just having a hard time envisioning Kratos in a world that's more cartoonish in nature.

I'm pretty sure that's what fellas in 2005 were saying about Snake, too.

 

[Starbound]

Speaking of Sony characters and Playstation in general, I really like the idea of Cloud being the 'Sony character', as his game symbolized changing relationships with Ninty that a substantial amount of 3rd parties would later follow. It seems like a fitting symbol that Nintendo basically lost that series beginning with his game until we got remakes on the DS and the VC a decade later. And yes I know he's not owned by Sony.

I guess that's why I like the idea of Banjo being the 'Microsoft character', as they also symbolize changing relationships due to Nintendo, effectively, selling them to the competition, something that has yet to be repeated since. Both show the relationships between Ninty and their console competitors and I think that's cool.

 

[Iridium]

I guess I'm just having a hard time envisioning Kratos in a world that's more cartoonish in nature.

Just imagine being able to think of Kratos vs. Villager. That would be something.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Speaking of Sony characters and Playstation in general, I really like the idea of Cloud being the 'Sony character', as his game symbolized changing relationships with Ninty that a substantial amount of 3rd parties would later follow. It seems like a fitting symbol that Nintendo basically lost that series beginning with his game until we got remakes on the DS and the VC a decade later. And yes I know he's not owned by Sony.

I guess that's why I like the idea of Banjo being the 'Microsoft character', as they also symbolize changing relationships due to Nintendo, effectively, selling them to the competition, something that has yet to be repeated since. Both show the relationships between Ninty and their console competitors and I think that's cool.

Tbh, Banjo or Master Chief would be cool as the "microsoft" character using your criteria.

 

[Luigi The President]

He's more possible than people think. Like how Paper Mario hides in the shadow of Isaac and Geno, Master Chief hides in the shadows of Banjo and Minecraft. It's very well possible to happen if Microsoft absolutely wanted to push for that specific character. The problem I see with Chief at the moment though is if he can get away with 's "global recognition" or whatever Sakurai used to defend his inclusion.


I'm pretty sure that's what fellas in 2005 were saying about Snake, too.

A-Aw...you bought up PM in a positive manner...thanks Ariga :")

I feel like, since Japan has always not been a friend of Microsoft, the same thing could honestly apply to B&K.
If Chief got enough of a push, it could override his low popularity in Japan.
He's kinda the father of the modern FPS, after all.

 

[7982Brick]

Is anyone else here hoping that Nintendo announces the direct tomorrow? Not to sound selfish but I really would like to know which character will be announced that way we can see which leaker was true or false.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

A-Aw...you bought up PM in a positive manner...thanks Ariga :")

I feel like, since Japan has always not been a friend of Microsoft, the same thing could honestly apply to B&K.
If Chief got enough of a push, it could override his low popularity in Japan.
He's kinda the father of the modern FPS, after all.

I think if we get some kind of FPS character, it's between the Chief or Doom.

 

[John Dylan Smith]

Just imagine being able to think of Kratos vs. Villager. That would be something.

Now that's truly a match made in Heaven! SAID NO ONE EVER!

 

[MBRedboy31]

I guess I'm just having a hard time envisioning Kratos in a world that's more cartoonish in nature.

It already happened in PSASBR, right? You can look up screenshots or gameplay of him on the cartoonier stages in that.