Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Flynn__]

Shoot, so we were getting a character as the blog proves. I don't understand why Sakurai and his team didn't replace today's post with something random like a veteran or a stage, although given that everything they post has to be translated to a ton of languages maybe they didn't have time? Who knows.

 

[Zinith]

Anyone could be considered a villain if you dig deep enough except for my boi. He's such a sweet character that you can't find anything even REMOTELY considered villainous...

Spoiler

Well there is that ONE incident in Mario Power Tennis. You know which one

 

[Swamp Sensei]

PSA:

A couple of people have mentioned it, but Famitsu could leak any moment starting this morning, and given we had a Direct delayed, they could be pretty massive. Whoever this new Smash character is will definitely be in it, if it does leak. If anyone here is anti-leak/spoiler, it's probably best you leave soon. Just a friendly warning.

Wouldn't the Famitsu that covers the direct be due next week?

 

[potato69]

aaaaaah I don't want to look at potential famitsu leaks so that I can experience the surprise but I'm also the most impatient person I know. What an... interesting(?) couple of days regarding smash.

 

[Shroob]

It amazes me.


Back in Brawl and Smash4 days, talking about characters like Banjo, Geno or Isaac would have been considered best case scenario.


Now we're soo bored at them due to them being "Likely" that we're discussing Captain friggen N.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

To be honest?

I can see a pokémon being revealed. They'd save the biggest hitters for last, I'd think. And what better way to transition between the two than a cinematic involving one of the 'mon?

 

[MSmariosonic]

Anyone could be considered a villain if you dig deep enough except for my boi. He's such a sweet character that you can't find anything even REMOTELY considered villainous...

Spoiler

Well there is that ONE incident in Mario Power Tennis. You know which one

Committing tax fraud is pretty evil and sinister if you ask me tbh

 

[Shroob]

To be honest?

I can see a pokémon being revealed. They'd save the biggest hitters for last, I'd think. And what better way to transition between the two than a cinematic involving one of the 'mon?

I mean, Ridley and K.Rool were already revealed.

It's hard to say they're saving the big ones for last right now unless you mean Banjo and Geno.

 

[Zinith]

Committing tax fraud is pretty evil and sinister if you ask me tbh

I was being somewhat semi-serious, but okay...

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I mean, Ridley and K.Rool were already revealed.

It's hard to say they're saving the big ones for last right now unless you mean Banjo and Geno.

Talking about series. Pokémon and Smash are their biggest sellers for this year, and it'd make sense to shoecase them one after the other IMO

 

[nintenplayer]

Maybe I should unsubscribe to Gamexplain, Nintendolife, etc until the direct is aired so that I don't accidently encounter any leaks.

I should proabably also try to stay away from this thread if I don't want to get spoiled....

 

[Zippo]

Wouldn't the Famitsu that covers the direct be due next week?

It's due to come out on Monday morning. (Sunday if you're in the US). As said above, due to the paper printing process, things leak very easily through magazines.

 

[Shroob]

Talking about series. Pokémon and Smash are their biggest sellers for this year, and it'd make sense to shoecase them one after the other IMO

Ah, no, I totally agree with that. That was my theory after all that Masuda would present the Incineroar trailer which lead directly into the Smash portion of the Direct that ended on a 2nd reveal.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Also, Peach is a canon angel in terms of innocence and purity. Quite literally regarded as a saint for how good of a heart she has.

She wins the "pure" argument

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Yeah so is the virtual boy and Tetris. Does that mean they should both be in smash ultimate?

Yes, they should be represented in some way. And they both kind of are, Tetris has 2 music tracks, and the Virtual Boy is in the background of the Japanese Trophy Collection in Melee.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I was being somewhat semi-serious, but okay...

Muahaha

So was I!

 

[Zinith]

Muahaha

So was I!

Spoiler

You know how I feel about that meme. It overstayed it's welcome long ago

 

[Aaron1997]

As someone that used to play Yugioh. Magazine (V-jump) leaks where the only way we would get info on new Cards/set releases in Japan. This is nothing new to me.

 

[MainJPW]

Also, Peach is a canon angel in terms of innocence and purity. Quite literally regarded as a saint for how good of a heart she has.

She wins the "pure" argument

So pure she threatens to leave Mario and Bowser stranded on the Moon of all places.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Spoiler

You know how I feel about that meme. It overstayed it's welcome long ago

ah come on

just tryin' to lighten up the mood in this thread

things can get snarky when i'm not around

 

[nintenplayer]

Regarding story mode, sth occured to me.

Is it possible that a story mode was planned for Smash 4, made some progress, but got scrapped, and they picked it back up where they left off for Ultimate? Cuz if so, the "short development time" wouldn't really matter.....

....Yeah, no. It sounded plausible when I was thinking this in my head. Now that I've written it down it sounds outlandish.

 

[Shroob]

I think what interests me more than anything isn't "WHO" was going to be shown off moreso it was "How many"


Let's assume that Vergeben, Loz, and Mimique are right just for this thought process.

Vergeben says Incineroar, Isabelle, Ken, PROBABLY Geno(2nd Square rep)

Loz says Skull Kid

Mimique agrees with both of them and also thinks Shadow and Isaac have a good shot


So that's already 4 original characters and 3 echoes right there.



Personally, I really don't think that 2 newcomers and 1 echo is 'that' much, especially considering that there's only 3 months left until the game comes out, and it'll probably go gold by mid/late October.


They have to announce everyone before the game comes out because they said they were going to, and a Direct in October seems unlikely unless they drop the Smash Direct then.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

So pure she threatens to leave Mario and Bowser stranded on the Moon of all places.

Oh, don't bring that up.

It's a bit OoC, although she was also a bit upset and she acknowledged that by her having to calm herself after already boarding.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

ah come on

just tryin' to lighten up the mood in this thread

things can get snarky when i'm not around

Having fun? In this forum? TO THE ABYSS WITH YOU!

 

[Aaron1997]

Also I can't wait till 4chan starts making fake Famitsu "leaks". I expect a ton of them this weekend

 

[ExitWound]

add 007 to that and it'll be perfect

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

Also I can't wait till 4chan starts making fake Famitsu "leaks". I expect a ton of them this weekend

Haha, that's probably going to happen

 

[MBRedboy31]

Yes, they should be represented in some way. And they both kind of are, Tetris has 2 music tracks, and the Virtual Boy is in the background of the Japanese Trophy Collection in Melee.

The Virtual Boy is also represented in Smash Wii U and Ultimate by being in the background of GAMER.

 

[Deleted member]

just tryin' to lighten up the mood in this thread

things can get snarky when i'm not around

Welcome to Smashboards.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I assume we aren't getting any blog posts until the actual direct airs

 

[Admiral Pit]

So what's the scoop or chaos happening lately? Well, besides the inevitable waiting for a week? *may or may not be worried*

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Sunday or Monday will be a bad time due to Famitsu publishing schedules and leaking things.

That's all I know

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah so is the virtual boy and Tetris. Does that mean they should both be in smash ultimate?

Yes, actually, they should. They're a major part of Nintendo history and should be in Smash in some way. Captain N is only asked for realistically to be a costume anyway. Which while he has earned his spot as playable, having no video game appearances means that's severely unlikely to happen. He's also, unlike your Goku example(which is a poor comparison by all means) 1st party, not 3rd party. 1st party characters do not follow the same guidelines. There's a reason Pokemon anime stuff shows up in Smash via trophies. It's because they're still important to Nintendo's history. Gaming history is important mainly for 3rd parties, not 1st parties. Of course Smash mostly celebrates Nintendo Gaming History, but they clearly care about the other media besides the games. It's no coincidence Pokemon Trainer is compared to Ash and the other anime characters. It's because Ash is way more recognizable than Red due to being more prominent in featuring that overall design(as Ash is literally a remaaster of Red for the Anime itself).

Captain N isn't wanted even for memes at this point. People actually wanted Simon in Smash just to reunite the Captain N crew alone. It's clearly something very important to fans. And yes, the show was mostly bad(with a few standouts, like Mother Brain, Eggplant Wizard, and King Hippo being very likable characters and actually having vastly more personality than their game counterparts, while also having worthwhile designs that don't completely kill the point, well, mostly. Mother Brain is a unique case because she's a mindless monster in the games but was turned into a very intelligent mastermind in the show, as well as had an amazing voice actress and made significantly more attractive overall. I mean, not severely to the point that she's like, say, Zero Suit Samus, but she looks ten times more presentable than any game before Other M's actual "Other Mother", the only version of Mother Brain that isn't beyond ugly as hell in the games. And while this version of Mother Brain is somewhat ugly, she actually looks like someone you can properly converse with, like a real character. Not a monster, but an actual character proper).

It's not like most of the designs are good(there's maybe a Robot Master or two who actually are arguably better than Ruby Spears' Mega Man's designs even. And I don't mean the terrible Cut Man. He's just bad in Captain N, but great in the other show). Then you even have Simon Belmont. Yes, he looks kind of bad in a sense, but he also looks like a proper adventurer, has his signature whip, and has lots of tools for the trade. He's inaccurate, but still doesn't have a horrible design to the point it makes your eyes hurt. Only Kid Icarus and MegaMan among the major characters looked severely bad at best. If you also count Donkey Kong(who is clearly the arcade guy) and Dr. Wily too, they both look extremely accurate to their counterparts. Medusa is not entirely off, as she hasn't had a nice-looking design yet, but keeps the monstrous form people except. And yeah, you got pretty bad ones like Dracula(who still looks better before the bad Season 3 overhaul) and Alucard(who at least fit the idea of looking like a rebel towards Dracula. Fully acting like that and all. And even was still a villain at first, but they didn't finish enough episodes for him to turn good anyway, so either they didn't intend it, which isn't beyond off, as Alucard was a legit villain at first, or the show got cancelled).

Overall, the show deserves more credit for what it did. It gave us a Mother Brain who wasn't a boring character whatsoever. It made King Hippo even more likable. It actually has gotten people to really want certain characters in Smash. It's gotten a lot more influence overall to Nintendo's history than people think. And that's ignoring the more faithful comics(except for Samus, who literally was a love freak for Captain N himself, which is severely inaccurate. As much as Simon deserves a bit of crap for his personality, he still has badass moments and still can go up to the plate. What they got wrong is that he's much more brave. Samus never had a love life or interest in it. It's not simply a change of personality, it's an unreasonable trait that feels there for the sake of it while not adding an actual point to the story that I can see. Now, I could be wrong on why it was added. I have not read the comics, so I'll gladly be corrected. So why does the Simon thing feel less of an issue? It's because he's meant to be a foil to Captain N, as he's meant to be the real hero. It's part of the whole color and design scheme for the actual main characters. They have their own roles. Lana is meant to be mostly be the easy to capture princess. Simon is the hero wannabe who has his shining moments. Captain N is the real hero. MegaMan is more meant to be about having lots of game knowledge and have that odd catchphrase to make people laugh. Kid Icarus is the archer and projectile master, giving them the need for that particular usage of an arrow where needed. And you got the dog... who is there as the Team Pet. Gameboy is the true odd one out, as he was just there to help gain inside knowledge/provide help, but was written terribly to the point of making Simon look good).

 

[dezeray112]

Anything new happened lately?

 

[Danpal65]

Yes, actually, they should. They're a major part of Nintendo history and should be in Smash in some way. Captain N is only asked for realistically to be a costume anyway. Which while he has earned his spot as playable, having no video game appearances means that's severely unlikely to happen. He's also, unlike your Goku example(which is a poor comparison by all means) 1st party, not 3rd party. 1st party characters do not follow the same guidelines. There's a reason Pokemon anime stuff shows up in Smash via trophies. It's because they're still important to Nintendo's history. Gaming history is important mainly for 3rd parties, not 1st parties. Of course Smash mostly celebrates Nintendo Gaming History, but they clearly care about the other media besides the games. It's no coincidence Pokemon Trainer is compared to Ash and the other anime characters. It's because Ash is way more recognizable than Red due to being more prominent in featuring that overall design(as Ash is literally a remaaster of Red for the Anime itself).

Captain N isn't wanted even for memes at this point. People actually wanted Simon in Smash just to reunite the Captain N crew alone. It's clearly something very important to fans. And yes, the show was mostly bad(with a few standouts, like Mother Brain, Eggplant Wizard, and King Hippo being very likable characters and actually having vastly more personality than their game counterparts, while also having worthwhile designs that don't completely kill the point, well, mostly. Mother Brain is a unique case because she's a mindless monster in the games but was turned into a very intelligent mastermind in the show, as well as had an amazing voice actress and made significantly more attractive overall. I mean, not severely to the point that she's like, say, Zero Suit Samus, but she looks ten times more presentable than any game before Other M's actual "Other Mother", the only version of Mother Brain that isn't beyond ugly as hell in the games. And while this version of Mother Brain is somewhat ugly, she actually looks like someone you can properly converse with, like a real character. Not a monster, but an actual character proper).

It's not like most of the designs are good(there's maybe a Robot Master or two who actually are arguably better than Ruby Spears' Mega Man's designs even. And I don't mean the terrible Cut Man. He's just bad in Captain N, but great in the other show). Then you even have Simon Belmont. Yes, he looks kind of bad in a sense, but he also looks like a proper adventurer, has his signature whip, and has lots of tools for the trade. He's inaccurate, but still doesn't have a horrible design to the point it makes your eyes hurt. Only Kid Icarus and MegaMan among the major characters looked severely bad at best. If you also count Donkey Kong(who is clearly the arcade guy) and Dr. Wily too, they both look extremely accurate to their counterparts. Medusa is not entirely off, as she hasn't had a nice-looking design yet, but keeps the monstrous form people except. And yeah, you got pretty bad ones like Dracula(who still looks better before the bad Season 3 overhaul) and Alucard(who at least fit the idea of looking like a rebel towards Dracula. Fully acting like that and all. And even was still a villain at first, but they didn't finish enough episodes for him to turn good anyway, so either they didn't intend it, which isn't beyond off, as Alucard was a legit villain at first, or the show got cancelled).

Overall, the show deserves more credit for what it did. It gave us a Mother Brain who wasn't a boring character whatsoever. It made King Hippo even more likable. It actually has gotten people to really want certain characters in Smash. It's gotten a lot more influence overall to Nintendo's history than people think. And that's ignoring the more faithful comics(except for Samus, who literally was a love freak for Captain N himself, which is severely inaccurate. As much as Simon deserves a bit of crap for his personality, he still has badass moments and still can go up to the plate. What they got wrong is that he's much more brave. Samus never had a love life or interest in it. It's not simply a change of personality, it's an unreasonable trait that feels there for the sake of it while not adding an actual point to the story that I can see. Now, I could be wrong on why it was added. I have not read the comics, so I'll gladly be corrected. So why does the Simon thing feel less of an issue? It's because he's meant to be a foil to Captain N, as he's meant to be the real hero. It's part of the whole color and design scheme for the actual main characters. They have their own roles. Lana is meant to be mostly be the easy to capture princess. Simon is the hero wannabe who has his shining moments. Captain N is the real hero. MegaMan is more meant to be about having lots of game knowledge and have that odd catchphrase to make people laugh. Kid Icarus is the archer and projectile master, giving them the need for that particular usage of an arrow where needed. And you got the dog... who is there as the Team Pet. Gameboy is the true odd one out, as he was just there to help gain inside knowledge/provide help, but was written terribly to the point of making Simon look good).

That was a fantastic read, thank you for writing that all out!

 

[Shroob]

Yes, actually, they should. They're a major part of Nintendo history and should be in Smash in some way. Captain N is only asked for realistically to be a costume anyway. Which while he has earned his spot as playable, having no video game appearances means that's severely unlikely to happen. He's also, unlike your Goku example(which is a poor comparison by all means) 1st party, not 3rd party. 1st party characters do not follow the same guidelines. There's a reason Pokemon anime stuff shows up in Smash via trophies. It's because they're still important to Nintendo's history. Gaming history is important mainly for 3rd parties, not 1st parties. Of course Smash mostly celebrates Nintendo Gaming History, but they clearly care about the other media besides the games. It's no coincidence Pokemon Trainer is compared to Ash and the other anime characters. It's because Ash is way more recognizable than Red due to being more prominent in featuring that overall design(as Ash is literally a remaaster of Red for the Anime itself).

Captain N isn't wanted even for memes at this point. People actually wanted Simon in Smash just to reunite the Captain N crew alone. It's clearly something very important to fans. And yes, the show was mostly bad(with a few standouts, like Mother Brain, Eggplant Wizard, and King Hippo being very likable characters and actually having vastly more personality than their game counterparts, while also having worthwhile designs that don't completely kill the point, well, mostly. Mother Brain is a unique case because she's a mindless monster in the games but was turned into a very intelligent mastermind in the show, as well as had an amazing voice actress and made significantly more attractive overall. I mean, not severely to the point that she's like, say, Zero Suit Samus, but she looks ten times more presentable than any game before Other M's actual "Other Mother", the only version of Mother Brain that isn't beyond ugly as hell in the games. And while this version of Mother Brain is somewhat ugly, she actually looks like someone you can properly converse with, like a real character. Not a monster, but an actual character proper).

It's not like most of the designs are good(there's maybe a Robot Master or two who actually are arguably better than Ruby Spears' Mega Man's designs even. And I don't mean the terrible Cut Man. He's just bad in Captain N, but great in the other show). Then you even have Simon Belmont. Yes, he looks kind of bad in a sense, but he also looks like a proper adventurer, has his signature whip, and has lots of tools for the trade. He's inaccurate, but still doesn't have a horrible design to the point it makes your eyes hurt. Only Kid Icarus and MegaMan among the major characters looked severely bad at best. If you also count Donkey Kong(who is clearly the arcade guy) and Dr. Wily too, they both look extremely accurate to their counterparts. Medusa is not entirely off, as she hasn't had a nice-looking design yet, but keeps the monstrous form people except. And yeah, you got pretty bad ones like Dracula(who still looks better before the bad Season 3 overhaul) and Alucard(who at least fit the idea of looking like a rebel towards Dracula. Fully acting like that and all. And even was still a villain at first, but they didn't finish enough episodes for him to turn good anyway, so either they didn't intend it, which isn't beyond off, as Alucard was a legit villain at first, or the show got cancelled).

Overall, the show deserves more credit for what it did. It gave us a Mother Brain who wasn't a boring character whatsoever. It made King Hippo even more likable. It actually has gotten people to really want certain characters in Smash. It's gotten a lot more influence overall to Nintendo's history than people think. And that's ignoring the more faithful comics(except for Samus, who literally was a love freak for Captain N himself, which is severely inaccurate. As much as Simon deserves a bit of crap for his personality, he still has badass moments and still can go up to the plate. What they got wrong is that he's much more brave. Samus never had a love life or interest in it. It's not simply a change of personality, it's an unreasonable trait that feels there for the sake of it while not adding an actual point to the story that I can see. Now, I could be wrong on why it was added. I have not read the comics, so I'll gladly be corrected. So why does the Simon thing feel less of an issue? It's because he's meant to be a foil to Captain N, as he's meant to be the real hero. It's part of the whole color and design scheme for the actual main characters. They have their own roles. Lana is meant to be mostly be the easy to capture princess. Simon is the hero wannabe who has his shining moments. Captain N is the real hero. MegaMan is more meant to be about having lots of game knowledge and have that odd catchphrase to make people laugh. Kid Icarus is the archer and projectile master, giving them the need for that particular usage of an arrow where needed. And you got the dog... who is there as the Team Pet. Gameboy is the true odd one out, as he was just there to help gain inside knowledge/provide help, but was written terribly to the point of making Simon look good).

This post reminded me that the friggen Eggplant Wizard had a following in Brawl speculation.

 

[SebasSancy]

What Possible spoiler? What did I miss? :o

 

[Darkraid]

It's due to come out on Monday morning. (Sunday if you're in the US). As said above, due to the paper printing process, things leak very easily through magazines.

Maybe check with Joe (serebii) he gets these Famitsu info pretty quickly.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That was a fantastic read, thank you for writing that all out!

No problem. Though I won't lie, I would love to see a more faithful comic or show redone. Cause seriously, a lot of those designs are ass. Ridley is one of the worst ever. Some are forgivable(Simon as it fits his character style fine), but ones like Cut Man as well as MegaMan are awful. Kid Icarus is not really off, on the other hand. He's pretty faithful to the original design, as it wasn't till Brawl he got a far more adult-like design. He's a cherub-like design in the original games and all.

This post reminded me that the friggen Eggplant Wizard had a following in Brawl speculation.

Can't blame 'em. Another case of being more interesting because of the show itself. Heck, does he even have a real presence beyond a generic enemy at best in Uprising? I mean, it wouldn't have affected Brawl speculation, obviously, but he could be interesting if done right. I'd love him as an AT, but him transforming everyone would be a serious pain to program, so a regular Trophy is more fair.

 

[Aurane]

Are we leaking memes or are we leaking dreams?