Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Paperchampion23]

I found a 4Chan leak that resembles the Smashboards leak, but the user changed random pieces of information. Some is identical, others completely different and it’s very clear it’s fake. Also, no mention of a gullible pokemon

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430281509/nintendo-direct-september-6

Your giveaway should be "FFXV:Funko-pop edition" lmao

 

[staindgrey]

I'm not sure that really counts for much when Warrior's roster was such a huge mess to begin with.
Besides, Hinoka made it in over Azura as well.

Every single royal sibling did. And, off topic, it was a terrible choice for the specific reason of not having a lance user who wasn't also allergic to arrows unless you bought DLC. Why were Oboro AND Azura DLC, but we got Hinoka, Cordelia and Caeda in the base game? And why was Niles part of that pack? Niles??

Despite my enjoyment actually playing the game, thinking about it makes me want to throttle someone at Koei Tecmo.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

You know...I have a question. If you played Melee when you were a kid, would you have still played as Pichu?

@Zinith has thought of that question himself, but he said that he wouldn't have been this cute but voracious Yoshi today if he played that game. Like, the art of Yoshi was not very appealing. Then I replied to him saying that I could have said the same for you

I mean, I played Pichu because in my group of friends I was probably already the worst so nothing to lose.

Pichu has always been one of my favorite Pokémon anyways, and I usually do unevolved runs of Silver (my favorite gen) that always includes Pichu so I guess?

Wow, I feel really bad for the developers, and I feel bad for ****ting on the game, some of the gameplay concepts are pretty terrible but it's pretty clear they wanted to actually make something good and sony basically said "**** you"

Don't get me wrong, it had a lot of faults and baffling design choices, but it's another example of executive meddling ruining fanservice. All-Stars and Marvel Infinite are prime examples of why these kinds of crossovers need someone like Sakurai at the helm to strongarm the project the way it needs to go rather than the way the suits want it to be.

I just ask that blame be laid where it really should, and that's squarely at Sony for not giving what should have been a celebration of their history the care it needed.

I've heard more rumors about that game, including that the reason there's two Coles was that it was either two or none because of the rights holders. Or that the shoestring budget was the equivalent of a single Vita game. Or that Crash and Spyro would've cost more than the budget they had. Or that it wasn't supposed to be a Smash clone.

Cole was actually due to a limitation of the engine. We know from Paul Gale (the person who leaked screenshots to begin with) that Cole was supposed to be a character whose moveset would evolve based on how he was played. Using good powers made good powers stronger, same with evil powers. It wasn't working out so Suckerpunch just told them to split Cole into Good and Evil (and gave us the spicy E. Coli meme.)

 

[Nethermoosen]

Your giveaway should be "FFXV:Funko-pop edition" lmao

Not talking about it being fake, I’m talking about it opening, word for word, the way the Smashboards leak did. Further evidence that it’s fake. I know anyone could have copied it, I’m just bringing it up.

 

[Blargg888]

You're not wrong, but
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This clearly says Final Fantasy VII.

Because he's from Final Fantasy VII

Just because he's from FFVII, that doesn't mitigate his other appearances to the point where they didn't happen.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Spoiler: Not Smash related but interesting nonetheless

Well, it's a long story.

From what we in the community know, Superbot (the developer) was given a shoestring budget and very little help from Sony in securing licenses for third party characters. As a result, they were largely at the complete mercy of rights holders. This is horribly evident in Raiden and DmC Dante, who were pretty much demanded.

Heihachi, Big Daddy, and Isaac Clarke were the only third parties who worked with Superbot to make their characters feel great. Namco wrote all of Heihachi's dialogue, 2K lent them Ken Lavine for story and direction, and EA sent over tons of material to make Isaac as accurate as possible while letting them use pretty much whatever they wanted from it.

Konami wanted Raiden because maketing, and he wasn't allowed to use any of his weapons because spoilers. Same for Dante. We have confirmation that Lara Croft was pitched but SE wanted TR to come out before Lara was playable in anything else. Abe from Oddworld was DLC, paired with Dart, but after Isaac and Zeus (from God of War... yes...) didn't sell, plans were cancelled. We only know this from concept art and Oddworld developers accidentally letting it slip in a tweet.

We know there was a Final Fantasy item in the game that got removed thanks to leaked pre-release screenshots of the debug menu item list.

Now this next part is all potentially my memory going fuzzy, but I'll throw it out just in case. IIRC, a leaker showed up and bought some credibility by showing some concept art that was later released. They ranted about how licensing was an utter mess and they legitimately tried to make everyone happy but the money and the support wasn't there. Activision didn't want Spyro to seem "better" on any one platform because Skylanders and had no plans for Crash so they weren't able to secure them. (This is somewhat supported by an unverified Activision intern who did an interview, but they claimed it was more about money.) FF13 was "big" at the time so SE basically told them Lightning or STFU. Ryu Hayabusa was supposed to be her rival. Those two would have added development time, and they tried to push them back as DLC. Tecmo didn't want Ryu to be DLC, so thanks to the Rival system, they were both cut. We don't know the veracity of this because there hasn't been much pre-release info datamined save some screenshots, one video, and concept art. Many others were difficult to obtain because nobody "wanted their characters to be shot in the face with real guns and stabbed by serial killers." They also said that basically the only time Sony stepped in was to tell them they couldn't do something. They also said that Vita crossplay hobbled the entire game. Imagine the 3DS development drain, but now they had to be 100% cross-compatible.

These next rumors are unsourced but I've seen them passed around and they're sad enough to be believable.
They also claimed they tried to reach real hard for just about anything, IIRC Krome (of Ty the Tasmanian Tiger) were really excited about the project. Croc was also supposedly sought. Both fell through, allegedly because Sony stepped in to say "No." These are probably hearsay but I'd buy it.

Really, the entire game was a perfect storm of poor timing, no support, and awful logistical choices. I fully believe if the Vita was buried, Crash and Spyro remasters were coming, FF13 was forgotten, and Lara's game was out, we'd have had a very very different roster.

I don't know why people are so opposed to calling Smash a fighting game. It's a game. You fight. End of story.

EDIT: I completely misread that as part of another comment chain my bad

You know, it makes me thankful that Smash Bros. gets all the legroom it has, compared to this. People may get bothered by Mother 3 spoilers, but it is still better than not being allowed to use any source material period.

 

[Deleted member]

With how well Octopath did, I'm kinda hopeful SE will consider doing more for the Switch. Porting over old classics like FFVI, FFVII, and localizing the Mana games would all be great.

 

[Deleted member]

I love how everyone's taking my FFVII stuff seriously. I know Cloud has made appearances on Nintendo consoles, I was just playing along with the Freddy confirmation.

Freddy's totally happening though.

 

[Freduardo]

If there’s any FNAF in Smash, all I want is Mr Hippo.

I know he’s only had one game, but he’s the best.

 

[Deleted member]

With how well Octopath did, I'm kinda hopeful SE will consider doing more for the Switch. Porting over old classics like FFVI, FFVII, and localizing the Mana games would all be great.

Maybe they could finally make a Chrono Trigger sequel

 

[Abha]

I love how everyone's taking my FFVII stuff seriously. I know Cloud has made appearances on Nintendo consoles, I was just playing along with the Freddy confirmation.

Freddy's totally happening though.

Freddy or Freddie Freaker?

 

[Michele]

If there’s any FNAF in Smash, all I want is Mr Hippo.

I know he’s only had one game, but he’s the best.

.....Is that /s? smh

 

[Deleted member]

With how well Octopath did, I'm kinda hopeful SE will consider doing more for the Switch. Porting over old classics like FFVI, FFVII, and localizing the Mana games would all be great.

I'd settle for the Nintendo era classics like V, VI, and Chrono Trigger to be honest. Though that's probably because I have the digital version of VII for PS4, had the one for PS3, and STILL have my original case (though its in pieces and the discs don't work which is why I got digital copies lol). Never really got into IV, though. Strange as it seems everybody likes it. I was very surprised by the Dark Samus cameo in it.

 

[Rayman001]

With how well Octopath did, I'm kinda hopeful SE will consider doing more for the Switch. Porting over old classics like FFVI, FFVII, and localizing the Mana games would all be great.

Didn't they open a whole new division to specifically make Switch games?
https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/06/05/square-enix-devotes-division-to-developing-switch-games

 

[Freduardo]

.....Is that /s? smh

I mean it’s sarcasm that I’d want any FNAF content.

But If it’s happening regardless, then I want Mr Hippo. He makes me laugh.

 

[Deleted member]

Freddy or Freddie Freaker?

Freddy Fazbear is going to be main roster, Freddie Freaker is going to be DLC so you can be charged $2 to use him.

 

[Deleted member]

Didn't they open a whole new division to specifically make Switch games?
https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/06/05/square-enix-devotes-division-to-developing-switch-games

That's making; what about porting. Granted, they've ported and/or remade all the old NES/SNES era FF's for DS, so I'd imagine they'll eventually get at least the most well-known ones onto Switch eventually.

 

[CosmicQuark]

The modernizing is what I liked about it too, cause even tho Banjo was part of my childhood I don't like his classic design. It feels dated, like if designed purely for N64 (which it probably was) and never got a good rework. not big on the Smashified banjo because it didn't fix my problems with the design.
While i couldn't pinpoint why exactly I dislike Banjo's design, but this image really helped me:

• Bigger arms, It really help him feel like a cartoon bear.
• The Face. The snout only a little longer than the lower jaw. Classic Has a really long snout, and bear faces doesn't look like that at all.

These are both Things the Nuts & Bolts design did, but that design did other things wrong.

Indeed, I could see taking mainly aspects of the classic design, cleaned-up for modern graphics, mixed with a few good aspects of a modern design, similarly to what they did with King K Rool. They took certain elements from both to make the "ultimate" version of the character, and I expect if Banjo & Kazooie are in, to do that as well. Also, I'm actually more a fan of the fake Banjo leak image than the Smashified version. It makes me hopeful to eventually see an amazing official render.

EDIT:
As for Freddy Fazbear, it's probably the best out of the meme never-gonna-happen picks. But what exactly would he do? Jump scare and cause the other characters to run off the screen?

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

Freddy Fazbear is going to be main roster, Freddie Freaker is going to be DLC so you can be charged $2 to use him.

Liar.
Freddie Freaker is going to be confirmed as an echo in the June 2028 Direct.

 

[T-Hell]

Man, you know the day is boring and slow when the current topic is Five Nights At Freddy's.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Man, you know the day is boring and slow when the current topic is Five Nights At Freddy's.

At least people have stopped talking about Zamus not being 100% accurate in design, so this is a step up, I guess.

On the bright side, there's a new song to look forward to tonight.

Maybe they could finally make a Chrono Trigger sequel

As much as I'd like to see that, CT was lightning in a bottle. Besides, I don't think Masato Kato has much of a good track record these days.

 

[Abha]

Man, you know the day is boring and slow when the current topic is Five Nights At Freddy's.

Wait until you see what I have in store for tomorrow when it turns out there isn't a direct on the 6th

 

[Deleted member]

Liar.
Freddie Freaker is going to be confirmed as an echo in the June 2028 Direct.

He could echo anyone, sense all the animation will be removed later regardless. It's just not Freddie if he's not t-posing with only waist movement.

 

[Zippo]

https://youtu.be/YP4ku2f4qVg

Spawn Wave says his sources are telling him Thursday might be Direct day as well.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So these are the dates I guess will be at least 2 of the Nintendo/Smash Directs. I believe they'll be on Wednesdays to coincide to be the respective newcomer's series's music day.

September 12th
September 19th
September 26th

October 3rd
October 10th
October 17th
October 24th
October 31st

November 7th
November 14th
November 21st
November 28th
December 5th

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Hopefully for the music theories sake, there is a direct this week and no song is uploaded tonight

Apparently people have found evidence in the smash website that a song with the mushroom icon is coming soon

If that soon is after the direct, and a confirmation of Geno, that'd be good.

If not, the music theory states there probably won't be a Mario character if a Mario song is uploaded tonight

Of course, we don't know if the music theory is true.

 

[Abha]

He could echo anyone, sense all the animation will be removed later regardless. It's just not Freddie if he's not t-posing with only waist movement.

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Freddie can move, he just chooses not to most of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4rc-x6Cyqs

 

[staindgrey]

Wait until you see what I have in store for tomorrow when it turns out there isn't a direct on the 6th

If there's a Direct in the first week of September, I would've lost that bet. It seems way too soon from a marketing perspective.

Unless there's way more content still to be revealed than I imagined.

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

If there's a Direct in the first week of September, I would've lost that bet. It seems way too soon from a marketing perspective.

Unless there's way more content still to be revealed than I imagined.

If it's a Nintendo Direct then i expect a Smash Charcter Trailer revealing a Newcomer and Echo "cough" Incineroar/Ken "cough" and that's it

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I mean let's not feel too sorry for PSABR. Sure that game clearly got screwed on getting good character licenses and various tuning things, but the single main reason that game was bad was pretty obviously that the supers only for KOs mechanic was fundamentally flawed and that was their decision and literally everything in the game revolved around that. When you make the centerpiece of a game's design a fundamentally bad idea, in the end no matter how much good or bad work you do, nothing really matters because you're building on a poor base and have no hope of salvaging the situation. Likewise you can afford to make a lot of mistakes and will still get a pretty good game as long as your core concepts are sound; look at how ultimately haphazardly so many of the details in Melee and Brawl were handled but both turned out to be solid games because the underlying mechanical concepts that govern Smash are excellent so even if things like character balance are all over the place things will still just manage to work out in the end.

 

[Deleted member]

Freddie can move, he just chooses not to most of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4rc-x6Cyqs

Ah, but they'd have to get the rights to Sharkboy and Lavagirl to allow Freddie to move like that.

 

[DevaAshera]

Gothitelle discourse still astounds me because the concept of hilda being in is apparently perfectly fine despite being a really forced echo yet gothitelle gets people so insufferably mad about it for the exact same reasons as why i dislike hilda echo.

People DID ask for hoenn and unova pokemon around ballot time, i remember that. I don't believe the gothitelle leak is true and im astounded it's not dead despite every dataminer calling it dumb, but really, if she is in, be careful what you wish for.

I do like gothitelle as a pokemon however.

How would Hilda not work as an Echo? She's literally alternate universe Zelda and likely has the same abilities for the most part. Though to reference Lorule being opposite land, maybe make her version of Din's Fire into Din's Ice or something.

 

[Deleted member]

FFIV isn't really that good, it did some things right but oh god did it do so many wrong and it did not age well. Level progression was fixed but it's incredibly grindy; game feels very unpolished and glitchy in how some skills work, and the localization didn't do it any favors; party is inconsistent and constantly changes like a hot potato; story gets off the rails the moment the underground is introduced and then aliens and moon conspiracy theories make it start literally flying but it's not like it was ever good when most of it feels like the first draft of a generic fantasy story with too much contrivances that range from hyperbolic time chambers, random ass Diabolus Ex Machinas, deaths meaning nothing, the real villain being introduced at the final dungeon, the ****ing moon is actually an alien spaceship, there aren't just 4 crystals, there are also 8, no wait there are 16, and a traitor subplot that doesn't just get used three times, but two of those are with the SAME CHARACTER and all of those it ends up being that they're being mind controlled goddamnit Kain not again **** you.

 

[T-Hell]

Sorry for the off-topic, but Venus of the Desert Bloom how is it going around there so far? Hopefully is all good, and for every Smashboard mate that may be living there too, of course.

 

[Michele]

FFIV isn't really that good, it did some things right but oh god did it do so many wrong and it did not age well. Level progression was fixed but it's incredibly grindy; game feels very unpolished and glitchy in how some skills work, and the localization didn't do it any favors; party is inconsistent and constantly changes like a hot potato; story gets off the rails the moment the underground is introduced and then aliens and moon conspiracy theories make it start literally flying but it's not like it was ever good when most of it feels like the first draft of a generic fantasy story with too much contrivances that range from hyperbolic time chambers, random *** Diabolus Ex Machinas, deaths meaning nothing, the real villain being introduced at the final dungeon, the ****ing moon is actually an alien spaceship, there aren't just 4 crystals, there are also 8, no wait there are 16, and a traitor subplot that doesn't just get used three times, but two of those are with the SAME CHARACTER and all of those it ends up being that they're being mind controlled goddamnit Kain not again **** you.

Woah, woah, let's not swear so much again

 

[hazza5557]

I don’t even care who’s announced, I just want a direct so we can have something to talk about. Plus, the newly announced characters can provide more evidence for certain leaks and narrow down who else is still likely from the Boring 5/6

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Indeed, I could see taking mainly aspects of the classic design, cleaned-up for modern graphics, mixed with a few good aspects of a modern design, similarly to what they did with King K Rool. They took certain elements from both to make the "ultimate" version of the character, and I expect if Banjo & Kazooie are in, to do that as well. Also, I'm actually more a fan of the fake Banjo leak image than the Smashified version. It makes me hopeful to eventually see an amazing official render.

EDIT:
As for Freddy Fazbear, it's probably the best out of the meme never-gonna-happen picks. But what exactly would he do? Jump scare and cause the other characters to run off the screen?

Freddys been in an RPG. They could take his moves from there.

B - Mike Toss
FB - Pizza Roll
DB - Jumpscare (counter)
UV - Party Favors

Etc.

 

[Abha]

Woah, woah, let's not swear so much again

HECK

 

[Pakky]

What is a Freddy Fazbear?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I found a 4Chan leak that resembles the Smashboards leak, but the user changed random pieces of information. Some is identical, others completely different and it’s very clear it’s fake. Also, no mention of a gullible pokemon

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/430281509/nintendo-direct-september-6

The giveaway should be Neighbor from Hello Neighbor in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe lmao

What is a Freddy Fazbear?

A miserable little pile of memes! But enough talk - have at you!