Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[staindgrey]

But we have to fill the quota and invite Camilla in! Don't you want the prophecy to be fulfilled?!

It's actually really funny you chose to mention Camilla.

She is my least favorite Fire Emblem character ever and I pictured Michael Scott looking at her, specifically. If any Fates character were getting in, you *know* it would be her. (And I hate that.)

 

[Nethermoosen]

I'm sorry that Gothitelle got in. My dad may be Nintendo, but he's not Game Freak, so I can't get him to take her out. It's out of my hands now.

I have too little time in the world to hold a grudge against your dad, who approved Ultimate for development. So, I will let this go.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Persona is my favourite Dating Sim.
(No, I've not ever played Persona or SMT, I just said this for the sake of a joke.)

It's a joke, but outside of liking the characters/story/structure, the social life aspect of the Persona series appealed to me more than the fighting aspects (particularly the grinding parts). It's why I wish they would just add the gay option, which would appeal to me more. Of course, I probably wouldn't get a PS4 just to play that one game, so it's probably a moot point, from where I'm concerned.

But Joker in Smash would be nice as I get the wonderful characters/aesthetics/music despite not being able to play the game myself.

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

Alright here’s a game.

Out of these possible newcomers:
-Geno
-Issac
-Isabelle
-Bandana Dee
-Shadow
-Rayman
-Banjo
-Incinaroar

Who do you think you’ll end up maining regardless if you supported them or not?

Geno, next in line being Banjo and then Shadow.

 

[SebasSancy]

Come on, this one's blatantly obvious and it hasn't been deconfirmed yet

I understand you, I see that there's something going on with Shantae, looks like there's a hint to something. I only point out that we see things when we want to see them

 

[Zathura]

Neither has this
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Sometimes I'm not so fond of this thread...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Persona is my favourite Dating Sim.
(No, I've not ever played Persona or SMT, I just said this for the sake of a joke.)

You're not even that wrong. Like, Persona is kinda a dating sim.

Just a really good one with a bunch of extra features.

 

[Rayman001]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw...you_can_now_signup_and_pay_for_switch_online/

Does this mean anything? Any leaks that predicted a 30 day trial for Switch Online?

 

[Deleted member]

Actually we're discussing how an unexpected off the wall character is going to be revealed and the entire board is going to explode, so I think Shantae may have a shot

Nah, Shantae has too big a fanbase. You need someone more ridiculous like Manuel 'Manny' Calavera from Grim Fandango. Bonus pts for ridiculous picks nobody has mentioned but have actually had a game on the Switch lol.

 

[Buzzwole]

@Over9000BPM You CAN'T argue against this. She's coming and you know it

)
Literally none of those things hint at smash at all. People see hints where they want to see them.

Not saying shes impossible for smash, but none of those things hint at it.

 

[Nethermoosen]

I feel like the fighting game genre is too general to be worrying about whether or not Smash is like every other fighting game.

I’ve never heard an argument that really cements this decision. It’s a definition and nothing more. If it isn’t a fighting game by the modern definition of the genre, I just don’t see why I need to care. I don’t play games just because they fit neatly into a genre. I play games that I enjoy.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

It's just the setting of punch-out, man. The gameplay of punch-out is way too different to be a fighting game.


It's like calling Metal Gear Solid 2 a first person shooter just because there's a first person view available

If you can play it in first-person and shoot people... doesn't it partially count as one?

Obviously games will fall into multiple genres, and PO!! is certainly a bit of an outlier style-wise, but if it's a game built around fighting other characters, I fail to see why it wouldn't count as a fighting game, at least as one of it's genres.

 

[BlueMagician]

The genre may have began with the typical arcade style but by this definition, any game where you fight 1v1 against npcs in succession is a fighting game.

Well, no, the other half of defining fighting games is that the fighting sides are on generally equal grounds - Punch-out takes this to an extreme, but the premise is still the basis of the game. Boxing games and Wrestling games count as both sports and fighting games because of this premise.

 

[Dee Dude]

You know, if the Shantae slumber party thing really was Smash related, it would’ve easily just been in her trailer or outright confirm it as a tie-in.

 

[Abha]

Neither has this
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You know who else hasn't been deconfirmed

 

[domriver]

Is Geno and Banjo-Kazooie in the game yet?

 

[The_Killah29]

What'd I miss since yesterday?

 

[Chrono.]

Yo.

Any updates on leaks/rumors/whatever?

 

[KMDP]

You're not even that wrong. Like, Persona is kinda a dating sim.

Just a really good one with a bunch of extra features.

I direct you to my post at the top of the page.

Persona is an edutainment game disguised as a Dungeon Crawler with Dating and Life Sim elements.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Well, no, the other half of defining fighting games is that the fighting sides are on generally equal grounds - Punch-out takes this to an extreme, but the premise is still the basis of the game. Boxing games and Wrestling games count as both sports and fighting games because of this premise.

But Punch-Out is specifically not what you just described. Every boxer (cept Glass Joe) is far more powerful than Mac in essence and the only reason there is a competition is due to Mac being a playable character. Punch Out is a boss rush game, its not a fighting game.

 

[Noipoi]

Alright here’s a game.

Out of these possible newcomers:
-Geno
-Issac
-Isabelle
-Bandana Dee
-Shadow
-Rayman
-Banjo
-Incinaroar

Who do you think you’ll end up maining regardless if you supported them or not?

I'm maining Inkling, no matter what.
But if Incineroar gets in he's definitely gonna be my secondary, i'll probably play a whole lot of Isabelle, Banjo and Geno too.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I forgot I had

FNAF, the happening 2

This time it's REALLY happening

 

[ZephyrZ]

It's actually really funny you chose to mention Camilla.

She is my least favorite Fire Emblem character ever and I pictured Michael Scott looking at her, specifically. If any Fates character were getting in, you *know* it would be her. (And I hate that.)

No, if we got another Fates character it'd (thankfully) be Azura, not...her. She's almost like the mascot of Fates and could also incorporate water bending into her moveset.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Notice how Scott Cawthon hasn't said anything about Smash recently. He MUST be uder an NDA

 

[Deleted member]

Neither has this
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Y'all weren't ready for Freddy. :V

 

[KMDP]

Notice how Scott Cawthon hasn't said anything about Smash recently. He MUST be until an NDA

Or maybe he doesn't care about Smash Bros., that might also be an option.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

I still don't understand how the character selection process worked for that game. They seemed to be missing a lot of "Playstation All-Stars" while putting in Big Daddy, Isaac Clarke and Dante.

Spoiler: Not Smash related but interesting nonetheless

Well, it's a long story.

From what we in the community know, Superbot (the developer) was given a shoestring budget and very little help from Sony in securing licenses for third party characters. As a result, they were largely at the complete mercy of rights holders. This is horribly evident in Raiden and DmC Dante, who were pretty much demanded.

Heihachi, Big Daddy, and Isaac Clarke were the only third parties who worked with Superbot to make their characters feel great. Namco wrote all of Heihachi's dialogue, 2K lent them Ken Lavine for story and direction, and EA sent over tons of material to make Isaac as accurate as possible while letting them use pretty much whatever they wanted from it.

Konami wanted Raiden because maketing, and he wasn't allowed to use any of his weapons because spoilers. Same for Dante. We have confirmation that Lara Croft was pitched but SE wanted TR to come out before Lara was playable in anything else. Abe from Oddworld was DLC, paired with Dart, but after Isaac and Zeus (from God of War... yes...) didn't sell, plans were cancelled. We only know this from concept art and Oddworld developers accidentally letting it slip in a tweet.

We know there was a Final Fantasy item in the game that got removed thanks to leaked pre-release screenshots of the debug menu item list.

Now this next part is all potentially my memory going fuzzy, but I'll throw it out just in case. IIRC, a leaker showed up and bought some credibility by showing some concept art that was later released. They ranted about how licensing was an utter mess and they legitimately tried to make everyone happy but the money and the support wasn't there. Activision didn't want Spyro to seem "better" on any one platform because Skylanders and had no plans for Crash so they weren't able to secure them. (This is somewhat supported by an unverified Activision intern who did an interview, but they claimed it was more about money.) FF13 was "big" at the time so SE basically told them Lightning or STFU. Ryu Hayabusa was supposed to be her rival. Those two would have added development time, and they tried to push them back as DLC. Tecmo didn't want Ryu to be DLC, so thanks to the Rival system, they were both cut. We don't know the veracity of this because there hasn't been much pre-release info datamined save some screenshots, one video, and concept art. Many others were difficult to obtain because nobody "wanted their characters to be shot in the face with real guns and stabbed by serial killers." They also said that basically the only time Sony stepped in was to tell them they couldn't do something. They also said that Vita crossplay hobbled the entire game. Imagine the 3DS development drain, but now they had to be 100% cross-compatible.

These next rumors are unsourced but I've seen them passed around and they're sad enough to be believable.
They also claimed they tried to reach real hard for just about anything, IIRC Krome (of Ty the Tasmanian Tiger) were really excited about the project. Croc was also supposedly sought. Both fell through, allegedly because Sony stepped in to say "No." These are probably hearsay but I'd buy it.

Really, the entire game was a perfect storm of poor timing, no support, and awful logistical choices. I fully believe if the Vita was buried, Crash and Spyro remasters were coming, FF13 was forgotten, and Lara's game was out, we'd have had a very very different roster.

By that logic, ****ing everything is a fighting game. You broaden your definition so much it doesn't mean anything anymore.
It's like calling Dark Souls a rhthym game or Dance Dance Revolution an action RPG.

I don't know why people are so opposed to calling Smash a fighting game. It's a game. You fight. End of story.

EDIT: I completely misread that as part of another comment chain my bad

 

[Blargg888]

No, if we got another Fates character it'd (thankfully) be Azura, not...her. She's almost like the mascot of Fates and could also incorporate water bending into her moveset.

No, if we get another FE Fates character, it should Kiragi.

Speculation is HECK.

 

[Deleted member]

All this talk of Persona has made me realize who the true best Echo option for Inkling is. I can't believe I was so blind, it was staring me in the face this whole time...

Spoiler

/thisisaveryoriginaljokeplzgivelotsoflikes

...In all seriousness, though, the small resemblance to Inkling is probably one of the reasons she's my favorite P5 character, lol.

 

[CosmicQuark]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw...you_can_now_signup_and_pay_for_switch_online/

Does this mean anything? Any leaks that predicted a 30 day trial for Switch Online?

I don't think it means anything, but technically we've had a year+ free trial since it's the same ****ing service.

 

[KMDP]

I don't know why people are so opposed to calling Smash a fighting game. It's a game. You fight. End of story.

Idon was talking about Punch-Out!! not being a Fighting Game, not Smash Bros.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Spoiler: Not Smash related but interesting nonetheless

Well, it's a long story.

From what we in the community know, Sueprbot (the developer) was given a shoestring budget and very little help from Sony in securing licenses for third party characters. As a result, they were largely at the complete mercy of rights holders. This is horribly evident in Raiden and DmC Dante, who were pretty much demanded.

Heihachi, Big Daddy, and Isaac Clarke were the only third parties who worked with Superbot to make their characters feel great. Namco wrote all of Heihachi's dialogue, 2K lent them Ken Lavine for story and direction, and EA sent over tons of material to make Isaac as accurate as possible while letting them use pretty much whatever they wanted from it.

Konami wanted Raiden because maketing, and he wasn't allowed to use any of his weapons because spoilers. Same for Dante. We have confirmation that Lara Croft was pitched but SE wanted TR to come out before Lara was playable in anything else. Abe from Oddworld was DLC, paired with Dart, but after Isaac and Zeus (from God of War... yes...) didn't sell, plans were cancelled. We only know this from concept art and Oddworld developers accidentally letting it slip in a tweet.

We know there was a Final Fantasy item in the game that got removed thanks to leaked pre-release screenshots of the debug menu item list.

Now this next part is all potentially my memory going fuzzy, but I'll throw it out just in case. IIRC, a leaker showed up and bought some credibility by showing some concept art that was later released. They ranted about how licensing was an utter mess and they legitimately tried to make everyone happy but the money and the support wasn't there. Activision didn't want Spyro to seem "better" on any one platform because Skylanders and had no plans for Crash so they weren't able to secure them. (This is somewhat supported by an unverified Activision intern who did an interview, but they claimed it was more about money.) FF13 was "big" at the time so SE basically told them Lightning or STFU. Ryu Hayabusa was supposed to be her rival. Those two would have added development time and Tecmo didn't want Ryu to be DLC, so thanks to the Rival system, they were both cut. We don't know the veracity of this because there hasn't been much pre-release info datamined save some screenshots, one video, and concept art. Many others were difficult to obtain because nobody "wanted their characters to be shot in the face with real guns and stabbed by serial killers." They also said that basically the only time Sony stepped in was to tell them they couldn't do something. They also said that Vita crossplay hobbled the entire game. Imagine the 3DS development drain, but now they had to be 100% cross-compatible.

These next rumors are unsourced but I've seen them passed around and they're sad enough to be believable.
They also claimed they tried to reach real hard for just about anything, IIRC Krome (of Ty the Tasmanian Tiger) were really excited about the project. Croc was also supposedly sought. Both fell through, allegedly because Sony stepped in to say "No." These are probably hearsay but I'd buy it.

Really, the entire game was a perfect storm of poor timing, no support, and awful logistical choices. I fully believe if the Vita was buried, Crash and Spyro remasters were coming, FF13 was forgotten, and Lara's game was out, we'd have had a very very different roster.

I don't know why people are so opposed to calling Smash a fighting game. It's a game. You fight. End of story.

He's not talking about Smash lol

 

[Aurane]

Alright here’s a game.

Out of these possible newcomers:
-Geno
-Issac
-Isabelle
-Bandana Dee
-Shadow
-Rayman
-Banjo
-Incinaroar

Who do you think you’ll end up maining regardless if you supported them or not?

Well my top three would be:

-Rayman
-Isabelle
-Banjo

The others are kinda meh to me.

 

[Opossum]

It's actually really funny you chose to mention Camilla.

She is my least favorite Fire Emblem character ever and I pictured Michael Scott looking at her, specifically. If any Fates character were getting in, you *know* it would be her. (And I hate that.)

If we had to get a Wyvern Rider/Dracoknight/Malig Knight at all, chances be damned, give me Minerva over Camilla any day of the week. Minerva's a much better character.

 

[Rayman001]

I don't think it means anything, but technically we've had a year+ free trial since it's the same ****ing service.

I thought this might be 30 days of NES games and Cloud storage for free, you know?
So 30 more days after the "real" service launches.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Or maybe he doesn't care about Smash Bros., that might also be an option.

Someone not liking what I like? Impossible, my secret agents would have already given them a labotomy

 

[Abha]

Notice how Scott Cawthon hasn't said anything about Smash recently. He MUST be uder an NDA

Is this why he never replies to my Freddy x Gothitelle smash fan art?

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

So is the leak legit? What are we waiting on? Until the day ends because I think the announcement was supposed to be today?

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Notice how Scott Cawthon hasn't said anything about Smash recently. He MUST be uder an NDA

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I forgot I had

FNAF, the happening 2

This time it's REALLY happening

FNAF hasn't been on a Nintendo console before, therefore he's not in.

 

[KMDP]

No, if we got another Fates character it'd (thankfully) be Azura, not...her. She's almost like the mascot of Fates and could also incorporate water bending into her moveset.

Isaac: EARTH!
Incineroar: FIRE!
Soren: WIND!
Azura: WATER!
Isabelle: HEART!
All: GOOO! SMASH BROS.!

"By your powers combined, I AM CAPTAIN FALCON!"