Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[P1ZZ4CHU]

Hold up. Wait. Just wait. What exactly is the deal with people against the cloud? Do you just not see Rayman? Or do you see it and just deny it means anything other than the cloud is obviously Rayman.

I get that a cloud can be made to look like Rayman(during Nintendo’s biggest reveal ever, 2nd maybe), and it ends up meaning nothing, but are you guys really not seeing Rayman?

That’s all I wanna know, because it’s like people think it’s the plague and admitting it gives them speculation herpies. Trademark.

Legitimate question, but do you have any idea how clouds and weather effects are typically done in CG?

I'm not trying to be mean here, but people always seem to think that clouds are done by hand. They're usually not. They're rendered based on algorithms because it's the only way to reliably and affordably get a convincing natural pattern. Clouds just look like things. They're vague irregular shapes and our predilection for noticing patterns in objects fools us into thinking that we're seeing something.

It means literally nothing.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Yes.
It was made on a computer. Because that's how clouds can be shaped.

With deliberation. But as long as people actually see the thing, I couldn’t care less if it means anything.

 

[StormC]

Oh my god.

PAC-MAN'S GOING TO BE IN ULTIMATE.

Why would they put some crappy old arcade character in? Obvious the Namco rep will be Lloyd or a Tekken/Soul Calibur character.

(anyone who ever once thought we would get any Namco character before Pac-Man, and I know there are people out there, were literally 100% delusional)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Here's another good ol' text rumor. Have at it.

https://imgur.com/a/TpqgK2B

>Dark Meta Knight

Stopped reading there

Also Lip as an AT? Doubt they’d represent Panel de Pon outside of Lip’s Stick as even that got a trophy in previous Smash games whereas Lip herself didn’t

 

[Noipoi]

Oh my god.

PAC-MAN'S GOING TO BE IN ULTIMATE.

No way, how would he fight? He's just a ball with a mouth.

 

[Mc.Rad]

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WOAH! LOOK AT THIS REAL LEAK! WOAH YOU GUYS!

Gosh, this is my most liked tweet on this site. This is going to be my legacy on here, this one image

 

[Blargg888]

Show me K. Rool using his recovery and I’ll believe whatever you put out.

Oh, okay.

The Earth is Flat, the moon landing really was a conspiracy, and Shulk's counter is strongest with Shield Monado.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Legitimate question, but do you have any idea how clouds and weather effects are typically done in CG?

I'm not trying to be mean here, but people always seem to think that clouds are done by hand. They're usually not. They're rendered based on algorithms because it's the only way to reliably and affordably get a convincing natural pattern. Clouds just look like things. They're vague irregular shapes and our predilection for noticing patterns in objects fools us into thinking that we're seeing something.

It means literally nothing.

It CAN and most likely does mean nothing. I was just wondering if people can see it. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. That’s all. Random cloud or not.

 

[Blue7113]

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Unless he means that one

Which might be unique.

That’s the one

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Because there's nothing else to speculate on

We can always speculate on other possible new AT and Pokeball Pokemon. Or we can debate about whether or not K. Rool may be at least a mid-tier super heavy.

 

[Deleted member]

Shulk's counter is strongest with Shield Monado.

This is true, I've tested it myself. Buster also makes you slower and Jump makes you lighter.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

With deliberation. But as long as people actually see the thing, I couldn’t care less if it means anything.

I have no idea what the heck you're arguing anymore. A cloud randomly looks sorta like Rayman's head for a moment. And people also see Jesus in corn chips. It's a cloud.

It CAN and most likely does mean nothing. I was just wondering if people can see it. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. That’s all. Random cloud or not.

Your point is that people can see it?

Congratulations?

 

[IGuessItsOver]

She's in!

 

[Deleted member]

She's in!

Sakuraii developed Brawl and Smash 4 Wii U.

 

[StormC]

Here's a controversial question: does anyone here think there is a chance Dixie can still get in as a unique fighter for the base game?

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Here's a controversial question: does anyone here think there is a chance Dixie can still get in as a unique fighter for the base game?

>Unique fighter
No way
>Echo
Yes

 

[Will]

Here's a controversial question: does anyone here think there is a chance Dixie can still get in as a unique fighter for the base game?

lol not even a chance anymore

 

[Ignoritus]

She's in!

Hate to ruin your day, but look a little closer at that tweet.

 

[Zathura]

Here's a controversial question: does anyone here think there is a chance Dixie can still get in as a unique fighter for the base game?

The only reason I think the answer is no is because she surely would have been revealed alongside K.Rule if that was the case. But then again I'm probably wrong like usual so who knows?

 

[PlasmaDam]

I jsut hope we get one more fire emblem chracther elegard or Ephiram are my hopes
Im tired of sword chracthers

 

[Icedragonadam]

Honestly I think Namco Bandai will be a notable part of September's Nintendo Direct. TGS is happening this month where Namco is one of the biggest attenders and Nintendo will be attending it for the first time. And there's only been a few games IIRC on the Switch from Namco(Dragon Ball, Vesperia port, and Digimon). They have some games in the dark like the Tales of Switch game, maybe even Tekken 7 on Switch. Also Tales of Vesperia is having a 10th anniversary party on September 16th.

If there are 2 newcomers in the direct, one of them or possibly both of them will be a Namco rep.

 

[T-Hell]

Hate to ruin your day, but look a little closer at that tweet.

You think he doesn't know? He's been doing this since he joined. Kind of a troll if you ask me.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

She's in!

That's a troll account LOL.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I jsut hope we get one more fire emblem chracther elegard or Ephiram are my hopes
Im tired of sword chracthers

I feel like Chrom might be it for FE. Just because of the outlash about Corrin and how even Sakurai was leery to add them.

 

[Paperchampion23]

stupid theory time

Dr. Luigi is revealed as a Dr. Mario echo which is why Dr. Mario isn't a Mario echo

Oh god, then people would start to believe that Toenail leak

 

[Untouch]

She's in!

You know this **** is fake, why did you post it?

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Here's a controversial question: does anyone here think there is a chance Dixie can still get in as a unique fighter for the base game?

*raises hand*

a ***** still has faith!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Here's a controversial question: does anyone here think there is a chance Dixie can still get in as a unique fighter for the base game?

Technically yes, though I don't expect it. There has been precedence for Smash games including multiple unique newcomers from the same franchise within the base roster. Melee had and, Brawl had and and Smash 4 had .

 

[Will]

I jsut hope we get one more fire emblem chracther elegard or Ephiram are my hopes
Im tired of sword chracthers

You just asked for a non-sword character from the king of swords series.
Hell their classic mode title is literally Journey of Swords. It'd be a miracle if we got an Axe/Lance/Ballistician user.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Our brains are extremely good at finding patterns and shapes. They're designed to, but the downside of this is that we constantly expect their to be greater meanings behind coincidences when there often is none. CG or otherwise, people will find shapes in the clouds were none were intended. That's the nature of clouds and the nature of the human mind.

And you know what? Sometimes there is an intentional hint dropped. But even then, sometimes we take a hint the wrong way. Remember how many people thought Sakurai was hinting at Ashley when he said his eyes were red? What if there really was a hint hidden in the background of the last direct but it was for someone other then Skull Kid?

It's important to never get too excited over these things because we'll always see what we want to see.

 

[RandomAce]

These recent days have been a drag lately.

Yes, we have gotten alot of info 24 days ago, but a lot of stuff has been talked to death already, at this point, there isn’t anything to talk about without repeating the same things over and over with just speculation.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

Honest question:

Has an announcement ever actually occurred to correspond to some event? I see people all the time suggesting that a character is revealed on an anniversary or in time with a press conference. However, outside of E3, I haven't really seen that and I've been following Smash speculation since Brawl.

Am I (very possibly) forgetting something?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

You just asked for a non-sword character from the king of swords series.
Hell their classic mode title is literally Journey of Swords. It'd be a miracle if we got an Axe/Lance/Ballistician user.

This is what happens when almost all main characters are sword-users.

 

[TheKnight]

That’s the one

That looks nothing like the legacy xp render.

 

[Cosmic77]

This point is actually what gave me hope for Ridley and K. Rool. At this point, Sakurai had few options for big hype characters. There was no way the roster was going to be Inkling, Bandana Dee, Captain Toad, a gen 7 Pokemon, etc. etc. He needed at least one or two characters that would make people lose their minds and jump out of their seats all over the world. Ridley and K. Rool were the most obvious choices; there wasn't even a third party character for everyone to rally behind like Sonic in Brawl and Mega Man in Smash 4, unless you count Banjo-Kazooie.

At this point, it almost seems like we're only getting hype characters. I'm sure we'll get something more lowkey, but damn. Like I said in another thread, I feel greedy at this point asking for any more. If you told me in January we would get a new Smash this year with all veterans, Ridley, and K. Rool, I'd ask what markers you were sniffing, and then go into full "never ask me for anything again" mode.

Now? I just want to see what's left for him to blow our minds with.

This is gonna sound really weird, but I think BWD and Paper Mario are the only "hype" characters left who I really want to see get in Smash. Other than them, I'd honestly be okay if Skull Kid, Isacc, Geno, Elma, Banjo, Rayman, and the rest of the popular characters got left out of Ultimate.

Now that I have Inkling, Ridley, and K. Rool, I'm kinda hoping that some of my less popular favorites get in, like Lycanroc or Mipha. That's not say I don't think the other characters would be cool additions, but it would be so surreal to get a character who didn't have massive support backing them up. Makes it feel like more of a personal victory.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Here's another good ol' text rumor. Have at it.

https://imgur.com/a/TpqgK2B

It's stupid because it names every chacracter except the Pokemon. It is the dream roster though.

 

[Untouch]

I'm starting to wish that sakurai didn't reveal everything right away so we could panic about what characters were getting cut even if none were.

 

[Flynn__]

So has anyone debunked the Geno image from a couple of hours ago? I've been outside and had no way of cheking :-(

 

[Nethermoosen]

I have no idea what the heck you're arguing anymore. A cloud randomly looks sorta like Rayman's head for a moment. And people also see Jesus in corn chips. It's a cloud.



Your point is that people can see it?

Congratulations?

No one was talking about it. I was wondering why and if that it was because people just aren’t seeing it. No need to be shrewd about musings. This is what speculation is about, right? Speculating on things. Can I do that without a snarky remark? It’s a game, man. Presented in a controlled environment. It’s way more than possible, regardless of if it was deliberate this time.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

This is gonna sound really weird, but I think BWD and Paper Mario are the only "hype" characters left who I really want to see get in Smash. Other than them, I'd honestly be okay if Skull Kid, Isacc, Geno, Elma, Banjo, Rayman, and the rest of the popular characters got left out of Ultimate.

Now that I have Inkling, Ridley, and K. Rool, I'm kinda hoping that some of my less popular favorites get in, like Lycanroc or Mipha. That's not say I don't think the other characters would be cool additions, but it would be so surreal to get a character who didn't have massive support backing them up. Makes it feel like more of a personal victory.

I'm still kind of surprised that Sakurai straight up stated that he's going to refer to the ballot when making the newcomer roster for Ultimate as a part of me only expected it to matter for a handful of new characters.