Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[DarthEnderX]

Interesting. Wasn't totally sure how prominent they were since I haven't actually played any, but I assumed you had to kill the bosses at least.

Whether you kill them or knock them out doesn't really have any bearing on their fate because whether a boss lives or dies plays out in the cutscene afterwards and how you defeated them doesn't really effect that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Whether you kill them or knock them out doesn't really have any bearing on their fate because whether a boss lives or dies plays out in the cutscene afterwards and how you defeated them doesn't really effect that.

*flashbacks to how I killed Boss in MGS3 by shooting her with tranqs* Yeah ****'s wack

 

[KMDP]

Because he's violent.

You never seen a guy suddenly afro up when he gets angry?

Maybe, but I do know that Afros have the mystical effect of increasing your battle power.

 

[Idon]

*flashbacks to how I killed Boss in MGS3 by shooting her with tranqs* Yeah ****'s wack

"I killed my mentor and all I got was this T-shirt."

 

[Paperchampion23]

It lines up with what loz18 has said in the past (see spoiler 1) about having made an account "somewhere" and info coming out there. Gaia Online's forums are practically dead, so it'd be a smart place to get in, post information, and get out before being found. What he says is consistent with Vergeben's statements (Love him or hate him Vergeben is our one reliable leaker so far). I've included the post in spoiler 2 below. loz18 may have taken a hit of credibility after he dove off the deep end, but it's been proven that he had/has insider information, so he's still kind of worth listening to.

Spoiler: Spoiler 1

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Spoiler: Spoiler 2

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Don't Think this is him though. The last thing he mentioned was Isaac before leaving Twitter. Kind of odd that one of two characters he specifically mentions, he doesn't actually talk about him here.

 

[KMDP]

"I killed my mentor and all I got was this T-shirt."

I killed my mentor and all I got were these accolades I didn't want and a title that will forever remind me of her, along with this awesome gun with infinite ammo that I used to kill her.

 

[StormC]

I generally tranq guards in MGS because it's easier to not get alerts that way.

Bosses though... bosses I blow the **** up.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

"I killed my mentor and all I got was this T-shirt."

Considering the Tuxedo codec I'm just seeing Boss be utterly shocked at the tranquiler shot and just flipping you upside down and taking the Patriot back and force it in Snake's hand for dark comedy

 

[Idon]

I generally tranq guards in MGS because it's easier to not get alerts that way.

Bosses though... bosses I blow the **** up.

But...
but the camos...

 

[KMDP]

But...
but the camos...

And the DOG TAGS, man.

...Nah, the Dog Tags are barely worth it. What did they even do again?

 

[Koopaul]

Makes me wonder...

The Switch comes with multiple controller styles built into it's design, and only one of them lacks the button count of the others (unlike the Wii).

In a hypothetical Skyward Sword remake, would they go all out with the motion controls (again)? Or would they allow people to actually play with the other controller options and the pro controller?

Mario Odyssey even used motion controls. What makes you think they'd get rid of it for a game built around motion controls?

Either way. I didn't really mind the motion controls in Skyward Swords once you learned that it was about precision and not about swinging with all your might. Just a flick of your wrist was enough to swing the sword, and more accurately.

My biggest grip with Skyward Sword was the linearity and lack of exploration. The world just felt like one dungeon after another instead of a... world. There was no towns, no civilization, nothing. Oh, and Fi makes Navi look tolerable.

 

[FurretBro]

Something related to that forum post, some time ago, after Loz18 went off the deep end and deleted his gamefaqs account, he made this post on Twitter, stating that he had made an account somewhere, and that info would pop up https://twitter.com/loz183/status/1030507097186807809
This fits with him posting there, though it could still be an impersonator I guess

Nothing better than seeing Men from Fighter Streets get into Smash. I'm hyped.

 

[Idon]

For the sake of pride, I seriously doubt they would release a non-motion-control version of the game. It would be admitting that the initial concept behind gameplay and enemy design was flawed. If they truly believe that, they're more likely to never let the game see the light of day again. If they don't believe that, they have no reason to significantly alter it in that way.

All the same, I'd love to play it with a button remap that allows you to use the control stick to aim your sword before slicing, something akin to Metal Gear: Revengeance (or what I picture it being, since I haven't actually played it). If someone were actually able to mod that into reality, I would totally install a Wii emulator for that singular purpose.

There's a big issue with that and it's that you can't move due to one stick occupying the camera and the other aiming the strikes.
It'd turn the game into fruit ninja if it was balanced around that essentially, when in Zelda there's this whole dodge, block, hit thing they have going on.

 

[KMDP]

Mario Odyssey even used motion controls. What makes you think they'd get rid of it for a game built around motion controls?

Either way. I didn't really mind the motion controls in Skyward Swords once you learned that it was about precision and not about swinging with all your might. Just a flick of your wrist was enough to swing the sword, and more accurately.

My biggest grip with Skyward Sword was the linearity and lack of exploration. The world just felt like one dungeon after another instead of a... world. There was no towns, no civilization, nothing. Oh, and Fi makes Navi look tolerable.

Yeah, I didn't have trouble with the motion controls (except the aforementioned problem with the nunchuck, which was a fixable hardware issue and nothing to do with the game itself).

The only thing worse than Fi and Navi is a fusion of the two.

Favi: "HEY! LISTEN! THERE'S AN 88% CHANCE THAT THIS MONSTER IS GONNA KICK YOUR ASS."

 

[Nielicus]

Woah woah woah, **** on Loz all you want but Gaia Online is a huge part of history. Don't go dissing it like that

Gaia Online is legendary, I don’t know the context of it being brought up but this is a fact. Lmao

 

[Deleted member]

Don't let loz's shenanigans distract you from the fact that Eminem just dropped a new album out of nowhere. Also, 98 days left, we really out here.

 

[RandomAce]

Don't let loz's shenanigans distract you from the fact that Eminem just dropped a new album out of nowhere. Also, 98 days left, we really out here.

wHaT dOEs EmiNEM hAVE To dO wITh sMASh?

We’re inching closer to the release date, and closer to a potential character reveal.

 

[ZephyrZ]

ZephyrZ calling Charizard "the Zard".

You could also call him "the Don" (as in: Lizardon).

That's my history with competitive pokemon showing. We love to abbreviate in that community. DDZard for dragon dance sets, MixZard for sets that use both special and physical moves, ect. I've frequently use shorthand names for a lot of pokemon and characters because of it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The only good Eminem is one filled with chocolate.

This joke isn't funny but it works better spoken than written regardless

 

[Deleted member]

wHaT dOEs EmiNEM hAVE To dO wITh sMASh?

We’re inching closer to the release date, and closer to a potential character reveal.

Exactly, see people don't know, but Kamikaze really is just a big rouse that Sakurai is behind of. First off, the name of the album gives it away. He's tired of having to one-up himself and how far the industry as fallen as a whole, so at this point Sakurai is saying "**** it, let's go all out. I'm ending the shenanigans".

Because we gettin' Steve from Minecraft.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Exactly, see people don't know, but Kamikaze really is just a big rouse that Sakurai is behind of. First off, the name of the album gives it away. He's tired of having to one-up himself and how far the industry as fallen as a whole, so at this point Sakurai is saying "**** it, let's go all out. I'm ending the shenanigans".

Because we gettin' Steve from Minecraft.

Murder me.

Good night.

 

[Arcadenik]

Let's just post characters that you know for a fact will NEVER make it in but still want to see regardless

I believe in you Meowth!

I believe in you Team Rocket!

I believe in you Toad!

I believe in you Captain Toad!

I believe in you Captain N!

 

[Misery Brick]

You might have survived a Zamus ladder like 5-10% longer, but then also died to many ladders you simply wouldn't have gotten hit by as another character, I know I've died countless times as Zard and ROB to ladders that wouldn't have worked on me as most other characters.



No Pokemon is not comparable here, in Pokemon your team isn't sharing a health bar, and in Smash there is no "rest of the team" for your opponent, you're just fighting that same overlevelled Charizard for every stock, and you're opponent is never obligated to switch to a character they're not practiced (i.e. "levelled" for this analogy) with between games. You take his stock (e.g. knock him out), that same character (or Pokemon in this analogy) comes right back out, there is no anemic "rest of the team" to fight instead, and matchup advantages don't matter if you're not near his level, which is going to be much harder to do if you're juggling much more characters around.



Besides the fact they're completely different games, there's one critical flaw in your analogy; using a team of characters in those games is mandatory, while in Smash you're never forced to use any other characters mid-game nor do tournaments force it mid-set in the main singles bracket.



Your pokemon share the same damage meter in Smash, they don't have individual damage meters. All you can do is switch to a heavier pokemon to "live longer" or switch to micromanage opposing combo/kill confirm windows in terms of health management.

Spoiler: Pokémon Trainer Discussion

I'm not referring to the different health bars and comeback factor that comes with them, I'm just saying that you do have to think ahead while managing health and a strategy if you want to get the entire usage of these characters. I understand that Smash is tied to one health/precentage bar.
What I'm trying to get at here is that PT is similar to a team in team fighter games.
Using only one character you're skilled at with a set team composition, while being lack luster with the other one or two, will result in the opponent's favor unless you can contest and overcome them with the character you are soley good at.
While, yes, being skilled at multiple fighters in something like MvC is the nature of the game.
I'd also argue that it's the same with PT, not Smash in general, you're not getting the full advantages by not knowing how to use the other Pokémon.
So, it still equates to Pokémon when it comes to the one playing Red/Green.
Doesn't matter if you're great with one overleveled Charizard, once that's shut out, knocked out, and can't do anything against the current Pokemon out, you're left with the "team" that's been sitting at the same levels they were when you caught them and you might lean on them or not. Levels in this case are lab time/experience and familiarity with the character.
Sure, the opponent is still going to be facing whatever is thrown out in front of them, at a disadvantage or not, that's definitely not going to change unless they switch between matches. I understand where you're coming from on that point.
However, the player playing PT is still going to be imposing limitations and hindrances on themselves if they relegate themselves to one character.
Like in your original example, if you're extremely skilled with Charizard and only him, but ZSS is comboing you and not allowing you to react. Switching to Squirtle isn't going to help you at all, given you're lackluster with the character. So Charizard is still going to be combo food for the ZSS player or switch out and receive a similar result with Squirtle with a little to no chance of winning.
Also like you just said:

-matchup advantages don't matter if you're not near his level, which is going to be much harder to do if you're juggling much more characters around.

Learning how to use PT and his general mechanic will definitely require more effort and time than using one or two other characters, but that's the appeal and the reward of using them as interchangeably and fluidly as one unit.
Therefore, it's better to learn how the other characters work as opposed to only focusing on one part of the moveset. And with that I think you have to think of all three Pokémon of as one character. Just view them as apart of his moveset rather than individual characters tied to a Down-B.
That's where I feel that mentality will separate the great PT players from the ones who are just a great Squirtle, Ivysaur, or Charizard main.

Sorry for the long post btw.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

It's quiet in here... too quiet...

 

[KMDP]

It's quiet in here... too quiet...

It's quiet because it's night-time in America and morning in Europe.

All the Americans are asleep (or should be) and all the Europeans are at work or in school.

 

[Zinith]

It's quiet because it's night-time in America and morning in Europe.

All the Americans are asleep (or should be) and all the Europeans are at work or in school.

Surprise. I'm still up...

 

[Danpal65]

It's quiet because it's night-time in America and morning in Europe.

All the Americans are asleep (or should be) and all the Europeans are at work or in school.

And us Aussies are doing whatever

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Surprise. I'm still up...

God damn! I was thinking about going to bed but there's no way i can sleep after seeing that creepy Yoshi!

And us Aussies are doing whatever

Drinking i guess (kidding )

 

[Zinith]

God damn! I was thinking about going to bed but there's no way i can sleep after seeing that creepy Yoshi!



Drinking i guess (kidding )

All in a days work

 

[papagenos]

Don't Think this is him though. The last thing he mentioned was Isaac before leaving Twitter. Kind of odd that one of two characters he specifically mentions, he doesn't actually talk about him here.

All Loz18 said about Isaac was that he "may be in" but he wasnt sure, we never got isaac as a leak from him.

All loz18 said about Isabelle not being in the game was his own speculation and that he hadnt heard from any sources that she was in, while vergeben had heard isabelle was in (as an echo specifically from the same source he heard simon from).

so while i have no idea is this 81zol is loz18 on the new account he made "somewhere", nothing 81zol said directly contradicts loz18 if loz18 got new information recently or something. it all lines up with vergebens leak so far and dosn't go against anything loz18 has said as a leak...which has basically JUST been skull kid as far as characters go, obviously he's saying much more than just skull kid if 81zol is him now AND he'd be completely agreeing with everything we've heard from vergeben.

 

[Over9000BPM]

I mean I could start talking about Zamus again?

 

[Danpal65]

I mean I could start talking about Zamus again?

And how fantastic she is?

 

[KMDP]

Drinking i guess

Almost every country has their infamous drink of choice.
America = Coffee
Britain = Tea (we love it and will go to war for it, we'll get a whole country addicted to opium for it, I'm only kidding a little)
France = Wine

 

[Over9000BPM]

And how fantastic she is?

Usually, yes. But let’s not go there. I was joking

 

[Danpal65]

Almost every country has their infamous drink of choice.
America = Coffee
Britain = Tea (we love it and will go to war for it, we'll get a whole country addicted to opium for it, I'm only kidding a little)
France = Wine

I'm a weird Aussie, partly because of my British heritage, I don't drink at all, but love tea and will enjoy a cup of coffee.

 

[Zinith]

Almost every country has their infamous drink of choice.
America = Coffee
Britain = Tea (we love it and will go to war for it, we'll get a whole country addicted to opium for it, I'm only kidding a little)
France = Wine

Coffee is more appreciated in the West Coast of the US, more specifically Washington State (where I was born )

 

[KMDP]

I'm a weird Aussie, partly because of my British heritage, I don't drink at all, but love tea and will enjoy a cup of coffee.

I don't drink Alcohol either; partly because I just dislike the taste, and partly because I don't wanna start going down that road to begin with.

 

[Over9000BPM]

I could use some coffee, so sleepy....

Surprise. I'm still up...

*Screams internally*

...Never mind.

 

[StormC]

It's quiet because it's night-time in America and morning in Europe.

All the Americans are asleep (or should be) and all the Europeans are at work or in school.

I'm not asleep because I just finished replaying Tropical Freeze. Fredrik seemed a lot harder on the first time through.

Speaking of, still hoping for that Lord Fredrik boss fight so I can fight him with .

 

[KMDP]

I could use some coffee, so sleepy....


*Screams internally*

...Never mind.

I'm not asleep because I just finished replaying Tropical Freeze. Fredrik seemed a lot harder on the first time through.

Speaking of, still hoping for that Lord Fredrik boss fight so I can fight him with .

Show him who the true DK Villain is.