Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Nethermoosen]

Loz18 was pretty shaky, but this 81zoL Guy has got my attention. I tell ya.

Denial's a bad thing. Denial's assuming I'm actually right. I'm all for the pride to post more dab gifs and SHUFFLN's if it happens but I never wanted Steve in the first place. I just think he's Banjo's blockade to even atyemot to get in.

I know. I get that and I completely understand it. The logic is sound enough that it trumps any real Banjo logic and all I have left to stand on is the notion that Sakurai would prefer Banjo. That’s what I think. But that’s not a good argument and I know it.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Guys?

https://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/gaming-discussion/more-smash-info/t.104986391/

It lines up with what loz18 has said in the past (see spoiler 1) about having made an account "somewhere" and info coming out there. Gaia Online's forums are practically dead, so it'd be a smart place to get in, post information, and get out before being found. What he says is consistent with Vergeben's statements (Love him or hate him Vergeben is our one reliable leaker so far). I've included the post in spoiler 2 below. loz18 may have taken a hit of credibility after he dove off the deep end, but it's been proven that he had/has insider information, so he's still kind of worth listening to.

Spoiler: Spoiler 1

Spoiler: Spoiler 2

 

[Mutsukki]

I've never heard of that website in my life so probably no

Woah woah woah, **** on Loz all you want but Gaia Online is a huge part of history. Don't go dissing it like that

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I have literally no issue with that mission

Then you're the first person I've seen to be ok with it. It comes out of nowhere and serves no purpose, and it's just completely unnecessary because at that point we already proved Link's worth as a hero

 

[OurBraveHero]

I can't believe that person who did the Agnès leak did all that work for the renders and threw it all away because they used a Spanish E accent instead of the French one; so that deconfirms that ENTIRE LEAK. And that's hilarious to me.

 

[Nethermoosen]

I've never heard of that website in my life so probably no

It’s a website used to create little child-like anime characters and then use the forums in weird ways. Early 2000’s birthed some weird stuff, man.

 

[RandomAce]

I never thought I'd say this, but loz18 makes Vergeben look downright reliable.

Sadly, that’s probably true. I think it’s very likely he only knew stuff from E3 and maybe some of the direct but that’s it. Everything else is just speculation at this point and he seems to have been sniffed out.

Verge doesn’t seem to have much go for him aside from his original leak with Ice Climbers, Ridley, Simon, and everyone from Smash 4 coming back. So far nothing past that seems to have been proven yet with the exception of a disconfirmed Mimikyu, and some characters he just flat doesn’t even know (Gen 7 Rep).

It’s been shady with leaks recently, and I don’t blame them, Nintendo has been rock solid with leaks lately.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I can't believe that person who did the Agnès leak did all that work for the renders and threw it all away because they used a Spanish E accent instead of the French one; so that deconfirms that ENTIRE LEAK. And that's hilarious to me.

There was also the fact he got Agnes' hair backwards.

 

[Mutsukki]

Then you're the first person I've seen to be ok with it. It comes out of nowhere and serves no purpose, and it's just completely unnecessary because at that point we already proved Link's worth as a hero

Is it the flooded forest mission? If it is, I genuinely love that part.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Or Sakurai has some random piece of furniture in the background.

I hope he has a black and white chair next time so we can all go back to arguing over if Agnes would be an awful idea or not!

Or how about orange and blue to signify Goku?

 

[KMDP]

Skyward Sword Problems that can be fixed in a remake

1. The game should only repeat item pick-up descriptions if you've been gone from the game for more than a week.
2. We don't need Fi telling us things we already know.
3. The cloud barrier should have been blue and not yellow/beige.
4. I actually kinda agree with Arin Hanson on this one: The Stamina Wheel as it worked in Skyward Sword was kind of pointless.

 

[Will]

Woah woah woah, **** on Loz all you want but Gaia Online is a huge part of history. Don't go dissing it like that

imma diss it
imma diss it hard

 

[staindgrey]

Skyward Sword Problems that can be fixed in a remake

1. The game should only repeat item pick-up descriptions if you've been gone for the game for more than a weak.
2. We don't need Fi telling us things we already know.
3. The cloud barrier should have been blue and not yellow/beige.
4. I actually kinda agree with Arin Hanson on this one: The Stamina Wheel as it worked in Skyward Sword was kind of pointless.

Yeah but I still don't really want to play it with motion controls.

So.

 

[OurBraveHero]

There was also the fact he got Agnes' hair backwards.

Oh I know, honestly if they would have kept Agnès out of the leak they probably would have gotten away with it. But her render looking pretty off and her name being wrong just obviously killed everything else in that leak. And they probably spent quite a long time on those renders too. Oof. haha

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't really believe it because ANYONE can just go on a forum and create an account named loz or zol in this case.

That Isabelle thing is a good point

But did loz outright DENY Isabelle or just say his sources had no information so he didn't believe it? He could have learned something new since last time he posted about that.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Yeah but I still don't really want to play it with motion controls.

So.

I would...if they were actually intuitive. Best saved for nintendo’s eventual virtual reality set-up.

 

[Mutsukki]

Oh I know, honestly if they would have kept Agnès out of the leak they probably would have gotten away with it. But her render looking pretty off and her name being wrong just obviously killed everything else in that leak. And they probably spent quite a long time on those renders too. Oof. haha

Is the Ken """render""" from the same leak? Because I still can't process people thinking that's even remotely real. It's even uglier than SFV's Ken.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Hello my name is Loz. I'm here to tell you Minecraft is indeed getting a new character in Smash. It's Herobrine. Steve is an echo.

Edit: Trying to make jokes when you're tired and not rereading what you typed is hard.

 

[OurBraveHero]

Is the Ken """render""" from the same leak? Because I still can't process people thinking that's even remotely real. It's even uglier than SFV's Ken.

Yeah his face was a bit off BUT Ryu's Ultimate Render is kinda weird too honestly. I think the leaker tried their best to match Ryu's face style.

 

[staindgrey]

Is the Ken """render""" from the same leak? Because I still can't process people thinking that's even remotely real. It's even uglier than SFV's Ken.

If someone had shown me Ken's default SFV appearance before SFV released, I'd say that was fake, too.

 

[Shroob]

I don't really believe it because ANYONE can just go on a forum and create an account named loz or zol in this case.

That Isabelle thing is a good point

But did loz outright DENY Isabelle or just say his sources had no information so he didn't believe it? He could have learned something new since last time he posted about that.

I remember he said on at least 2 occasions that Isabelle was not in.

 

[Nethermoosen]

If someone had shown me Ken's default SFV appearance before SFV released, I'd say that was fake, too.

Real talk. Ken ugly.

 

[KMDP]

Yeah but I still don't really want to play it with motion controls.

So.

Makes me wonder...

The Switch comes with multiple controller styles built into it's design, and only one of them lacks the button count of the others (unlike the Wii).

In a hypothetical Skyward Sword remake, would they go all out with the motion controls (again)? Or would they allow people to actually play with the other controller options and the pro controller?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Apparently it being loz has been proven fake by the person's grammar.

He used "Dont" instead of "don't" multiple times. Including in a 4chan thread about the post

 

[Mutsukki]

If someone had shown me Ken's default SFV appearance before SFV released, I'd say that was fake, too.

Yes!

But

I'll never expect THIS kind of quality from Smash Bros. The mouth is so horribly pasted and in the wrong perspective (just look at the nose) that it bothers me very deeply. I think the worst part of this is that this was done by someone who copy-pasted stuff from other characters without actually understanding Smash Ultimate's artstyle (or... figure drawing in general)

 

[AreJay25]

Loz18 should have posted on Myspace instead. No one would bother looking that up.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Makes me wonder...

The Switch comes with multiple controller styles built into it's design, and only one of them lacks the button count of the others (unlike the Wii).

In a hypothetical Skyward Sword remake, would they go all out with the motion controls (again)? Or would they allow people to actually play with the other controller options and the pro controller?

Considering how heavily integrated the motion controls are in the game, I doubt it'd be optional. Similarly, if the Prime Trilogy is put on Switch, I doubt we'd be able to use anything without motion controls as a selling point was the more refined motion controls

 

[ZephyrZ]

On the Pokemon Trainer discussion, I'm getting a little tired of arguing about it, but I'll leave it with this;

I hate to say it but Charizard is an extremely mediocre character in Smash 4 and Rock Smash is an awesome but extremely situational move that only helps him with his main weaknesses a little bit. I don't see how being able to switch to Squirtle in an instant, who is far better at escaping pressure situations is anything but a huge buff for the Zard. Even if you could make the case that Zard might be holding Squirt back (which I'll still disagree with), to argue that Squirt is holding Zard back seems ridiculous to me.

Anyway we won't know how could the Trainer will be for sure until release, but even if they're bottom tier, I'm still maining all three of them and I can't think of anything that would change my mind on that.

 

[Nethermoosen]

On the Pokemon Trainer discussion, I'm getting a little tired of arguing about it, but I'll leave it with this;

I hate to say it but Charizard is an extremely mediocre character in Smash 4 and Rock Smash is an awesome but extremely situational move that only helps him with his main weaknesses a little bit. I don't see how being able to switch to Squirtle in an instant, who is far better at escaping pressure situations is anything but a huge buff for the Zard. Even if you could make the case that Zard might be holding Squirt back (which I'll still disagree with), to argue that Squirt is holding Zard back seems ridiculous to me.

Anyway we won't know how could the Trainer will be for sure until release, but even if they're bottom tier, I'm still maining all three of them and I can't think of anything that would change my mind on that.

Pfft. My guess is he will be a good character. Built in Smash 4 air dodge? The character as a whole will be fine. Just fine.

 

[staindgrey]

Makes me wonder...

The Switch comes with multiple controller styles built into it's design, and only one of them lacks the button count of the others (unlike the Wii).

In a hypothetical Skyward Sword remake, would they go all out with the motion controls (again)? Or would they allow people to actually play with the other controller options and the pro controller?

For the sake of pride, I seriously doubt they would release a non-motion-control version of the game. It would be admitting that the initial concept behind gameplay and enemy design was flawed. If they truly believe that, they're more likely to never let the game see the light of day again. If they don't believe that, they have no reason to significantly alter it in that way.

All the same, I'd love to play it with a button remap that allows you to use the control stick to aim your sword before slicing, something akin to Metal Gear: Revengeance (or what I picture it being, since I haven't actually played it). If someone were actually able to mod that into reality, I would totally install a Wii emulator for that singular purpose.

 

[KMDP]

ZephyrZ calling Charizard "the Zard".

You could also call him "the Don" (as in: Lizardon).

 

[Heatswave]

So, lets see...
Have played: ultrosalina:
Haven't played:

Simon, Ness, Captain Falcon, Falco and Wolf will soon switch places.

 

[staindgrey]

Yes!

But

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I'll never expect THIS kind of quality from Smash Bros. The mouth is so horribly pasted and in the wrong perspective (just look at the nose) that it bothers me very deeply. I think the worst part of this is that this was done by someone who copy-pasted stuff from other characters without actually understanding Smash Ultimate's artstyle (or... figure drawing in general)

Oh, you misunderstand. I don't disagree with you.

I'm just still salty over Ken's SFV design. It's atrocious. Ryu gets a Hot Ryu costume and Ken gets douchebag-at-the-gym-with-bananas-on-his-head as his default.

 

[KMDP]

For the sake of pride, I seriously doubt they would release a non-motion-control version of the game. It would be admitting that the initial concept behind gameplay and enemy design was flawed. If they truly believe that, they're more likely to never let the game see the light of day again. If they don't believe that, they have no reason to significantly alter it in that way.

All the same, I'd love to play it with a button remap that allows you to use the control stick to aim your sword before slicing, something akin to Metal Gear: Revengeance (or what I picture it being, since I haven't actually played it). If someone were actually able to mod that into reality, I would totally install a Wii emulator for that singular purpose.

You could allow the player to use the right control stick to swing the sword while locked on, while otherwise pressing the B button makes Link fight like the non-Motion Control games.

It's... not a perfect solution to the problem of mapping the controls to the controller but...

 

[Idon]

My favorite rendition of Ken is

C'MON ONO.
BRING BACK VIOLENT KEN.

 

[KMDP]

My favorite rendition of Ken is

C'MON ONO.
BRING BACK VIOLENT KEN.

...Why does he have an Afro?

 

[staindgrey]

...Why does he have an Afro?

Ryu gets a hole in his chest.

Ken gets an afro.

 

[ReeseBalaski]

Oh, you misunderstand. I don't disagree with you.

I'm just still salty over Ken's SFV design. It's atrocious. Ryu gets a Hot Ryu costume and Ken gets douchebag-at-the-gym-with-bananas-on-his-head as his default.

It's amazing how far a full beard and going fully shirtless can go. Hot Ryu is a blessing.

 

[Idon]

...Why does he have an Afro?

Because he's violent.

You never seen a guy suddenly afro up when he gets angry?

 

[Noipoi]

...Why does he have an Afro?

He's got disco fever.